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Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 270	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:13:00 - [31] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: I see... but I don't think you see my side of the point if LAVs are treated as disposable items then that's all they will ever be but if you have to risk something on an LAV then you'll at least try and and help it survive Help it survive how exactly? Once someone wants it dead, then it's going down no "if"s "and"s or "but"s. Even if I could keep it alive all match, I still wouldn't want to stay in it all match; running people over isn't anywhere near as easy as busting out a tank.
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:16:00 - [32] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Even upgraded they're easily destroyed because of the low pg/cpu not allowing buffer and repairing mods Ahh excellent point but looking at the basic LAV (not militia) you's see it could survive a forge gun blast (I'll admit barely) but nonetheless with very decisive planing a LAV can be a formidable weapon in the right hands but until it's released from the shackles of being a free item it won't be seen as such My post was about the standard lav by technicality the basic is the standard with the militia being the sub-standard but I get what your saying. I don't know if you have tried to mod the free LAV or militia but it is still possible to tank with those with the right modifications
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:19:00 - [33] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: I see... but I don't think you see my side of the point if LAVs are treated as disposable items then that's all they will ever be but if you have to risk something on an LAV then you'll at least try and and help it survive Help it survive how exactly? Once someone wants it dead, then it's going down no "if"s "and"s or "but"s. Even if I could keep it alive all match, I still wouldn't want to stay in it all match; running people over isn't anywhere near as easy as busting out a tank. The purpose of an LAV isn't to run people over it's to transport people over land from point A to B and if I wanted a tank dead "then it's going down no "if"s "and"s or "but"s"
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:20:00 - [34] - Quote look it's simple removing free LAVs makes people need to buy them if they want a cheaper way of getting from A to B then a dropship if people buy them they might try to experiment with ways to keep the LAVs alive with these new LAVs that can survive a hit new tactics will need to be employed that will tie in to other tactics making for memorable battles
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:25:00 - [35] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: I see... but I don't think you see my side of the point if LAVs are treated as disposable items then that's all they will ever be but if you have to risk something on an LAV then you'll at least try and and help it survive Help it survive how exactly? Once someone wants it dead, then it's going down no "if"s "and"s or "but"s. Even if I could keep it alive all match, I still wouldn't want to stay in it all match; running people over isn't anywhere near as easy as busting out a tank. The purpose of an LAV isn't to run people over it's to transport people over land from point A to B and if I wanted a tank dead "then it's going down no "if"s "and"s or "but"s" Exactly why staying in one pointless, the same is true for dropship pilots. Vehicle users, aside from tanks, have one of the hardest roles and the least rewards.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:27:00 - [36] - Quote Give pilots and drivers proper rewards, and then we can remove free LAVs.
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:32:00 - [37] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Give pilots and drivers proper rewards, and then we can remove free LAVs. I'm trying hard to see your point could you explain how giving drivers proper rewards would be the only way of making free LAVs obsolete
Xender17 Oblivion S.G.X 5	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:34:00 - [38] - Quote Putting LAV in enemy territory+ proximity mine=
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 403	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:36:00 - [39] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Even upgraded they're easily destroyed because of the low pg/cpu not allowing buffer and repairing mods Ahh excellent point but looking at the basic LAV (not militia) you's see it could survive a forge gun blast (I'll admit barely) but nonetheless with very decisive planing a LAV can be a formidable weapon in the right hands but until it's released from the shackles of being a free item it won't be seen as such My post was about the standard lav by technicality the basic is the standard with the militia being the sub-standard but I get what your saying. I don't know if you have tried to mod the free LAV or militia but it is still possible to tank with those with the right modifications You can barely take one wave of militia swarms in a standard lav(as in the one that requires sp
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:38:00 - [40] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: You can barely take one wave of militia swarms in a standard lav(as in the one that requires sp But you still survive yes? plus what mods and type of LAV were you using? all are factors to be taken in account

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:38:00 - [41] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Give pilots and drivers proper rewards, and then we can remove free LAVs. I'm trying hard to see your point could you explain how giving drivers proper rewards would be the only way of making free LAVs obsolete A dropship pilot should get WP for flying, as it is they get squat, the same should apply to LAV drivers. Until using a vehicle actually has rewards, I see no reason to charge for them.
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:39:00 - [42] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Putting LAV in enemy territory+ proximity mine= Not sure where your getting at but something tells me your an evil genius
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:43:00 - [43] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Give pilots and drivers proper rewards, and then we can remove free LAVs. I'm trying hard to see your point could you explain how giving drivers proper rewards would be the only way of making free LAVs obsolete A dropship pilot should get WP for flying, as it is they get squat, the same should apply to LAV drivers. Until using a vehicle actually has rewards, I see no reason to charge for them. I'm sorry but you honestly believe dropships should be given points for flying I could hover on one side of the map and just farm points I was thinking for dropships the MCRU should give points and maybe you could give finer details on how WP awards could go to them but this is for a different topic not everything means instant reward sometimes you do things just to win the game even if you aren't top of the leaderboard if you feel you're accomplishing something (driving people from one point to another) then that's your reward
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:44:00 - [44] - Quote There should also be a way to lock vehicles so no one steal them.
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:45:00 - [45] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: There should also be a way to lock vehicles so no one steal them. yeah that needs to go on a different topic
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:45:00 - [46] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: I'm sorry but you honestly believe dropships should be given points for flying I could hover on one side of the map and just farm points I was thinking for dropships the MCRU should give points and maybe you could give finer details on how WP awards could go to them but this is for a different topic not everything means instant reward sometimes you do things just to win the game even if you aren't top of the leaderboard if you feel you're accomplishing something (driving people from one point to another) then that's your reward Almost every dropship pilot would disagree.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:46:00 - [47] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: There should also be a way to lock vehicles so no one steal them. yeah that needs to go on a different topic Why? These are all reasons why removing free LAVs is a bad idea.
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:46:00 - [48] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Almost every dropship pilot would disagree. with... need details okay? Sloth9230 wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: There should also be a way to lock vehicles so no one steal them. yeah that needs to go on a different topic Why? These are all reason why removing free LAVs is a bad idea. how does locking vehicles tie in with removing free LAVs
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:52:00 - [49] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Almost every dropship pilot would disagree. with... need details okay? Sloth9230 wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: There should also be a way to lock vehicles so no one steal them. yeah that needs to go on a different topic Why? These are all reason why removing free LAVs is a bad idea. how does locking vehicles tie in with removing free LAVs 1. Search it up. There's a couple of threads on the subject. the point is that their is no incentive for anyone to want to be a pilot, their needs to be win. Helping the team? lol, it doesn't mean much when the leaderboards make everyone think you're a bad player. 2. I'm not going top spend money if a random teamate is just going to steal it as soon as I get out for any reason.
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:55:00 - [50] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: 1. Search it up. There's a couple of threads on the subject. 2. I'm not going top spend money if a random teamate is just going to steal it as soon as I get out for any reason. 1. never answered my question but that's okay it's a different topic 2. Same with tanks and dropships!

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:57:00 - [51] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: 2. Same with tanks and dropships! It should extend to them too!
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:59:00 - [52] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: 2. Same with tanks and dropships! It should extend to them too! so you are agreeing with me when I say why should I spend money on vehicles when anyone could steal them If not then we are not on the same train of thought which I don't think we are
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 04:03:00 - [53] - Quote YES You should have the option to lock your vehicle, but you run the risk of someone destroying/hacking it while you're gone.
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 04:07:00 - [54] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: YES You should have the option to lock your vehicle, but you run the risk of someone destroying/hacking it while you're gone. Hmm I believe we have gotten off topic... but nonetheless why should we bother with vehicles at all then that's what your saying cause any vehicle can be stolen or destroyed.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 04:09:00 - [55] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: YES You should have the option to lock your vehicle, but you run the risk of someone destroying/hacking it while you're gone. Hmm I believe we have gotten off topic... but nonetheless why should we bother with vehicles at all then that's what your saying cause any vehicle can be stolen or destroyed. ... Tanks kill, what do Dropships and Lavs get?
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 04:11:00 - [56] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: YES You should have the option to lock your vehicle, but you run the risk of someone destroying/hacking it while you're gone. Hmm I believe we have gotten off topic... but nonetheless why should we bother with vehicles at all then that's what your saying cause any vehicle can be stolen or destroyed. ... Tanks kill, what do Dropships and Lavs get? but my point is still valid why mess with any vehicle at all these are your words, your logic, your way of thinking not mine friend
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 04:20:00 - [57] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: YES You should have the option to lock your vehicle, but you run the risk of someone destroying/hacking it while you're gone. Hmm I believe we have gotten off topic... but nonetheless why should we bother with vehicles at all then that's what your saying cause any vehicle can be stolen or destroyed. ... Tanks kill, what do Dropships and Lavs get? but my point is still valid why mess with any vehicle at all these are your words, your logic, your way of thinking not mine friend You've twisted my logic and disregarded everything else as off-topic You will almost never see a tanker ditch a tank, unless it's about to go boom, therefore they will almost never get stolen. The same is true for dropships, even though they have no rewards they still cost a lot. The same is in no way true for LAVs, therefore there is no reason to charge for them. Militia LAVS, and everything higher, need a big buff before we start charging for them, as it is they are merely disposable transportation and spending any ISK on them would be a waste.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 141	Posted - 2013.02.28 04:27:00 - [58] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: YES You should have the option to lock your vehicle, but you run the risk of someone destroying/hacking it while you're gone. Hmm I believe we have gotten off topic... but nonetheless why should we bother with vehicles at all then that's what your saying cause any vehicle can be stolen or destroyed. ... Tanks kill, what do Dropships and Lavs get? I generally use them as transport/evac for my squad getting them where they need to go and should it be too hot GTFO as well as the gunner sprays plasma at the hostiles. good times have been had doing that
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 271	Posted - 2013.02.28 04:32:00 - [59] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I generally use them as transport/evac for my squad getting them where they need to go and should it be too hot GTFO as well as the gunner sprays plasma at the hostiles. good times have been had doing that Yeah, but are those 25(X) assist kill points worth staying in the LAV all match?
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 04:36:00 - [60] - Quote so a tanker will never stop driving his tank a dropship pilot will never leave his dropship what's to say that a dedicated LAV driver won't stay with his LAV and as I said many times over in the right hands the LAV can be a useful tool but won't be seen as such since it is free and can be discarded if we brought back free dropships people will see them only as disposable transport NOT a useful tool that it has shown itself to be



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