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Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:58:00 -
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I hate the fact that anyone can call in a LAV and just try to run people over the whole match and I know LAVs are easy to destroy yes but why is it that we can get free LAVs and not free tanks with little to no risk of losing lots of cash, flying without the fear of losing a 150K+ dropship? Oh yeah that's right cause those are horrible ideas. So can we pleas get rid of these free LAVs and force people to risk some money by having to actually purchase one.
EDIT and idea: I saw the price of a militia LAV and thought maybe a tad overpriced for something so easily wrecked still believe in the removing of free LAVs but maybe reduce the price of LAVs just a little (reducing the price to ~25K for militia would be advisable) |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
403
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:21:00 -
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No |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:42:00 -
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could you perhaps explain why "no" I am open for other players opinions, if you think I'm wrong then by all means explain if you would if you agree with me then say so or perhaps offer alternatives but simply and bluntly saying "no" can not reinforce one's argument. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:48:00 -
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Because vehicle users need there own starter fit that they can fallback on like infantry get. |
Thranx1231
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:50:00 -
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No.
Run a Heavy. Try to get from D to E on Skim Junction without a LAV. No free LAVs then my Heavy gets to run as fast as the fastest Scout.
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Appia Vibbia
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:57:00 -
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1) this has been whined about over and over again. Vermaak just said "no" because of the number of times the topic came up.
2) I hate having the free LAV. LAV spam by vets is just ridiculous. "Hey, look! Movable terrain!"
I think 100- or any finite number- should be given out to all players. although probably a programming nightmare free LAVs in Skirmish only |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1605
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:01:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:I hate the fact that anyone can call in a LAV and just try to run people over the whole match and I know LAVs are easy to destroy yes but why is it that we can get free LAVs and not free tanks with little to no risk of losing lots of cash, flying without the fear of losing a 150K+ dropship? Oh yeah that's right cause those are horrible ideas. So can we pleas get rid of these free LAVs and force people to risk some money by having to actually purchase one.
EDIT and idea: I saw the price of a militia LAV and thought maybe a tad overpriced for something so easily wrecked still believe in the removing of free LAVs but maybe reduce the price of LAVs just a little (reducing the price to ~25K for militia would be advisable)
We already did try the free tanks. Nearly ruined the game.
Currently I don't mind the free LAVs as they are just too easy to kill. Even my militia swarm launcher can make mince meat out of them. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1069
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:02:00 -
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As far as free LAVs, I'm an LAV driver and am all for removing them- just remove starter fit AV with them. |
Jakob Evhin
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:05:00 -
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While I can understand what you're saying, at least with the free LAV its not as infuriating when somebody inevitably steals it and then crashes it or gets blown to bits 5 seconds later. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:23:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:not free tanks with little to no risk of losing lots of cash, flying without the fear of losing a 150K+ dropship? Oh yeah that's right cause those are horrible ideas. We already did try the free tanks. Nearly ruined the game. Currently I don't mind the free LAVs as they are just too easy to kill. Even my militia swarm launcher can make mince meat out of them.
I know about the free tanks ruining the game before that is what I was referring to. Anyways I didn't know that the free LAV thing was as heated as I thought it was (thanks appia) and thranx your argument is null cause as I said you can simply buy a militia (no skill required) LAV if you need to get from point A to point B in such a hurry. Vermakk your argument is invalid as well because you don't see starter tanks and dropships so why is there a starter LAV |
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Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:24:00 -
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Jakob Evhin wrote:While I can understand what you're saying, at least with the free LAV its not as infuriating when somebody inevitably steals it and then crashes it or gets blown to bits 5 seconds later.
That probably goes under a different topic. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
270
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:27:00 -
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LAVs are a joke, the things are so useless that I wouldn't use one if I actually had to pay for it. That said, I wouldn't mind their removal, but wanting them removed just cause you got run over? lol |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
403
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:31:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:not free tanks with little to no risk of losing lots of cash, flying without the fear of losing a 150K+ dropship? Oh yeah that's right cause those are horrible ideas. We already did try the free tanks. Nearly ruined the game. Currently I don't mind the free LAVs as they are just too easy to kill. Even my militia swarm launcher can make mince meat out of them. I know about the free tanks ruining the game before that is what I was referring to. Anyways I didn't know that the free LAV thing was as heated as I thought it was (thanks appia) and thranx your argument is null cause as I said you can simply buy a militia (no skill required) LAV if you need to get from point A to point B in such a hurry. Vermakk your argument is invalid as well because you don't see starter tanks and dropships so why is there a starter LAV There isn't a free dropship or hav you twit because like it was already said those ruined the game. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
270
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:34:00 -
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No one is going to abandon a tank, everyone gets the hell out of an LAV the instant sh*t goes down the two are hardly comparable. LAVs are disposable, tanks aren't. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:39:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:not free tanks with little to no risk of losing lots of cash, flying without the fear of losing a 150K+ dropship? Oh yeah that's right cause those are horrible ideas. We already did try the free tanks. Nearly ruined the game. Currently I don't mind the free LAVs as they are just too easy to kill. Even my militia swarm launcher can make mince meat out of them. I know about the free tanks ruining the game before that is what I was referring to. Anyways I didn't know that the free LAV thing was as heated as I thought it was (thanks appia) and thranx your argument is null cause as I said you can simply buy a militia (no skill required) LAV if you need to get from point A to point B in such a hurry. Vermakk your argument is invalid as well because you don't see starter tanks and dropships so why is there a starter LAV There isn't a free dropship or hav you because like it was already said those ruined the game.
that's the point there is no free dropships or tanks so there should be no free LAVs |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
403
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:42:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:not free tanks with little to no risk of losing lots of cash, flying without the fear of losing a 150K+ dropship? Oh yeah that's right cause those are horrible ideas. We already did try the free tanks. Nearly ruined the game. Currently I don't mind the free LAVs as they are just too easy to kill. Even my militia swarm launcher can make mince meat out of them. I know about the free tanks ruining the game before that is what I was referring to. Anyways I didn't know that the free LAV thing was as heated as I thought it was (thanks appia) and thranx your argument is null cause as I said you can simply buy a militia (no skill required) LAV if you need to get from point A to point B in such a hurry. Vermakk your argument is invalid as well because you don't see starter tanks and dropships so why is there a starter LAV There isn't a free dropship or hav you twit because like it was already said those ruined the game. first off no name calling. second off that's the point there is no free dropships or tanks so there should be no free LAVs You keep forgetting, when it was actually tested with all vehicles being free lavs weren't and still aren't game breaking
Edot: I know I went too far but you even acknowledged that only free tanks were/would ve a problem |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:42:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:No one is going to abandon a tank, everyone gets the hell out of an LAV the instant sh*t goes down. The two are hardly comparable. LAVs are disposable, tanks aren't.
true but if (and I'm being hypothetical here) people spent money on LAVs then they are more likely to try and protect the LAV. Reasonable, right? especially if they decide to get higher tier LAVs so they could last a couple of hits |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:44:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:You keep forgetting, when it was actually tested with all vehicles being free lavs weren't and still aren't game breaking
your right, LAV aren't really game breaking but their value is diminished by being a free item. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
270
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:46:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:
second off that's the point there is no free dropships or tanks so there should be no free LAVs
When was the last time you ditched a dropship or tank? When was the last time you didn't ditch a LAV? Who in there right mind would ever stay in one the entire match? The things are death traps. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:50:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:
second off that's the point there is no free dropships or tanks so there should be no free LAVs
When was the last time you ditched a dropship or tank? When was the last time you didn't ditch a LAV? Who in there right mind would ever stay in one the entire match? The things are death traps. Jax Saurian wrote: your right, LAV aren't really game breaking but their value is diminished by being a free item.
Their only value is free kills for the other team.
not really sure where your getting at by quoting me there (the first quote) but please read post 17
and that second thing "Their only value is free kills for the other team." just shows people need to put money down on the LAV to try and protect it so things like this won't happen as much |
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
403
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:52:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:You keep forgetting, when it was actually tested with all vehicles being free lavs weren't and still aren't game breaking your right, LAV aren't really game breaking but their value is diminished by being a free item. Which is fodder for the weakest Av |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:55:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:You keep forgetting, when it was actually tested with all vehicles being free lavs weren't and still aren't game breaking your right, LAV aren't really game breaking but their value is diminished by being a free item. Which is fodder for the weakest Av
If you read post 17 you might agree with me in the fact people will most likely upgrade an LAV if they purchase it |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
270
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:56:00 -
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LAVs are far too easily destroyed, regardless of how I fit it. It won't survive the match, that's guaranteed. Calling one in is just throwing away isk, I'm guessing that's the reason they're free. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:59:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:LAVs are far to easily destroyed, regardless of how I fit it. It won't survive the match, that's guaranteed. Calling one in is just throwing away isk, I'm guessing that's the reason they're free.
same could be said about dropships and tanks if you don't fit it good enough and do dangerous things with it then it most likely won't survive. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
403
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:00:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:You keep forgetting, when it was actually tested with all vehicles being free lavs weren't and still aren't game breaking your right, LAV aren't really game breaking but their value is diminished by being a free item. Which is fodder for the weakest Av If you read post 17 you might agree with me in the fact people will most likely upgrade an LAV if they purchase it Even upgraded they're easily destroyed because of the low pg/cpu not allowing buffer and repairing mods |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
270
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:04:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:LAVs are far to easily destroyed, regardless of how I fit it. It won't survive the match, that's guaranteed. Calling one in is just throwing away isk, I'm guessing that's the reason they're free. same could be said about dropships and tanks if you don't fit it good enough and do dangerous things with it then it most likely won't survive. Ugghhh... You're not getting me. Plain in simple: LAVS aren't worth any SP or ISK investment. The LAV is just momentary transportation and is meant to be easily disposable. Tanks and drop ships aren't. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:05:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote: Even upgraded they're easily destroyed because of the low pg/cpu not allowing buffer and repairing mods
Ahh excellent point but looking at the basic LAV (not militia) you's see it could survive a forge gun blast (I'll admit barely) but nonetheless with very decisive planing a LAV can be a formidable weapon in the right hands but until it's released from the shackles of being a free item it won't be seen as such |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:08:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:LAVs are far to easily destroyed, regardless of how I fit it. It won't survive the match, that's guaranteed. Calling one in is just throwing away isk, I'm guessing that's the reason they're free. same could be said about dropships and tanks if you don't fit it good enough and do dangerous things with it then it most likely won't survive. Ugghhh... You're not getting me. Plain in simple: LAVS aren't worth any SP or ISK investment. The LAV is just momentary transportation and is meant to be easily disposable. Tanks and drop ships aren't.
I see... but I don't think you see my side of the point if LAVs are treated as disposable items then that's all they will ever be but if you have to risk something on an LAV then you'll at least try and and help it survive |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
141
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:10:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:You keep forgetting, when it was actually tested with all vehicles being free lavs weren't and still aren't game breaking your right, LAV aren't really game breaking but their value is diminished by being a free item. Which is fodder for the weakest Av If you read post 17 you might agree with me in the fact people will most likely upgrade an LAV if they purchase it Even upgraded they're easily destroyed because of the low pg/cpu not allowing buffer and repairing mods
let me stop you there an lav can actually tank quite a bit of damage if fit correctly (and you know how to drive) while still dishing it out as well. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
403
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:11:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: Even upgraded they're easily destroyed because of the low pg/cpu not allowing buffer and repairing mods
Ahh excellent point but looking at the basic LAV (not militia) you's see it could survive a forge gun blast (I'll admit barely) but nonetheless with very decisive planing a LAV can be a formidable weapon in the right hands but until it's released from the shackles of being a free item it won't be seen as such My post was about the standard lav |
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