Nope, this is just not a good reason for a nerf to this. The mere idea of a minigun having a lower magical cut off range than an assault rifle is in itself ridiculous. For proof consider that I've gotten the jump on an assault from med-close range, above him, and he still GEK'd my face off due to his skill for headshotting me. At the moment, the Assault suit is the most powerful setup in this game for WP accumulation, Heavies have to kill in order to get WP. There just isn't anything else for them to do but spray death.
Do yourself a favour and create an alt heavy, and see how "easy" it is to actually get paid as a heavy.

Nope, this is just not a good reason for a nerf to this. The mere idea of a minigun having a lower magical cut off range than an assault rifle is in itself ridiculous. For proof consider that I've gotten the jump on an assault from med-close range, above him, and he still GEK'd my face off due to his skill for headshotting me. At the moment, the Assault suit is the most powerful setup in this game for WP accumulation, Heavies have to kill in order to get WP. There just isn't anything else for them to do but spray death.
Do yourself a favour and create an alt heavy, and see how "easy" it is to actually get paid as a heavy.

You nerf the HMG's range, you should nerf the AR and Sniper as well.

As for HMG being 'easy mode' it is only better for one v one. In the current environment of run-n-gun idiocy and all the lone wolf quote-un-quote 'badasses' the HMG eats them like a particularly unfulfilling snack, dumping the waste into the forums to QQ for a nerf or blue. Run in squads fools, it is why we have them. Do not close on the Heavy, he is a big target so you don't HAVE to close distance. Its all very well set, if you just impartially look at it.

I'm a Logi, btw.

One thing that I do feel is not quite even is the Forge Gun. One- Shotting a Tank? Killing a tank In 2 shots seems more balanced, and to even it again, make the charging time on the Forge quicker.

I made a heavy alt the other day. 6 kdr after about 4 hours of playing. HMG is easy mode.

You nerf the HMG's range, you should nerf the AR and Sniper as well.

As for HMG being 'easy mode' it is only better for one v one. In the current environment of run-n-gun idiocy and all the lone wolf quote-un-quote 'badasses' the HMG eats them like a particularly unfulfilling snack, dumping the waste into the forums to QQ for a nerf or blue. Run in squads fools, it is why we have them. Do not close on the Heavy, he is a big target so you don't HAVE to close distance. Its all very well set, if you just impartially look at it.

I'm a Logi, btw.

BUT they're so inaccurate that I think this balances it out.

Indeed, they're like spitballs at a range. The weapon really only shines in CQC, but that doesn't mean it should be forced into CQC; they still make great cover fire at larger distances.

Edit: If they add bullet drop, instead of these magic disappearing bullets, then we can talk about range nerfs.

Hold on a sec.

Where's this forge gun you found that can one-shot a tank? Because I want one.

Actually, a proto breach might be able to one-shot the militia fits. Is that what you're talking about?

Indeed, they're like spitballs at a range. The weapon really only shines in CQC, but that doesn't mean it should be forced into CQC; they still make great cover fire at larger distances.

Edit: If they add bullet drop, instead of these magic disappearing bullets, then we can talk about range nerfs.

Well, considering i was using Militia Junk, this statement may have been what I meant. One day in a beautifully destroyed DUST Battle, I had me a tank, and then a Heavy rounded the corner and Blew me up in one shot.

Thats dumb, okay then buff the AR to 100 dmg ps and make it close range only..AR has been nerfed enough hmg range is a bit much you know thats true

I believe the problem with range is that bullets do not "jump" out of the crosshair at certain ranges, I can hip fire fairly well at long ranges as long as I am not moving.

Thats dumb, okay then buff the AR to 100 dmg ps and make it close range only..AR has been nerfed enough hmg range is a bit much you know thats true

HMG range is total crap. Maybe people using HMGs are training Heavy Sharpshooter to offset their weaknesses and the average Assault Arse hasn't been keeping pace.

Also, 100 DPS for the Assault Rifle would actually be a nerf. they do 30~ damage a shot and at least five shots a second.

They are not inaccurate. I hop in game and pick people off enough times to know that they are anything but inaccurate. Slap level one sharpshooter on it, gun spins up nice and fast, everything gets pinpoint accurate and you guys know this.You all typing these comments like the game don't have skill to increase accuracy, come one now. Played a couple of games with the gun and shut teams down. Me and two other heavies running things so well that the opposing team can't even leave their spawn, ridiculous. I'm not boasting here, just trying to give you guys a picture of how OP the class really is. I really don't think that it is the weapon nerf is the answer. The class has way to much armor. 650 armor and then you have the shield as well. I lose gun battles to heavies not because of the weapon advantage, but because of the armor advantage. Hit the guy with an entire clip of a high level rifle and his armor pretty much not affected. Then he kills me with the reload or he takes cover and we continue this until I eventually die from lack of armor or being ganged up on by reinforcements. I honestly feel that everyone who protects the class are just fanboys of the class and are trying to protect their advantage in the game. I challenge any one to got and do the homework on this class (armor and weapon damage). Then play with this class and compare it to your gameplay with other classes. I have a 10 year old nephew who goes without dying in matches and gets the top spot with the heavy drop suit class. He's good, but not that good. Its the drop suit class and everyone who plays with it knows this.Sad how people are fighting to keep this OP drop suit class when it is things like this that keeps games from being awesome. This game has crazy potential, but you have to have balanced weapon guys. That is like FPS, or any shooter for that matter, 101.

I made a heavy alt the other day. 6 kdr after about 4 hours of playing. HMG is easy mode.

If heavies are that easy mode then people should have a KD of 10+ with it. I mean, it's easy right?! I have an HMG and I can kill people miles away, and all that no? Then why aren't you at a 10 kd with your easy mode?

there are ways to take heavies out. no one feels sorry for u if u cant figure them out.

the gun is semi-accurate at close-to-mid range as is. it loses all accuracy at long range. it hits (im making an exaggerated guesstimation here) 1 shot out of 10 at long range

yet here we are, QQing about the range on the HMGs, screaming 'NERF!!!'

the game is balanced decently well atm (except for lasers.......i dont like how they dont lose power at range, but w/e)

lol
i dont have a 10 kdr, thats for sure.....

I think that's just about right though. When running heavy you should be able to mow down, but in the end, you'll see that I can still get paid more, get more SP and get more WP as a smart Logi or Assault player than a dedicated heavy. It's the heavies job to stay alive and own face. Taking that away and you just can't make money with them. It's only "easy mode" when killing, but killing doesn't make you more powerful or successful to your team (see snipers who sit at the side shooting 23-0 without ever supporting their team, there are good ones, so no blanket here). I tend to think the HMG is about right where it is, but YES I agree that it's max range with perks shouldn't exceed the max range of an assault rifle. BUT they're so inaccurate that I think this balances it out.

HMG range is total crap. Maybe people using HMGs are training Heavy Sharpshooter to offset their weaknesses and the average Assault Arse hasn't been keeping pace.

Also, 100 DPS for the Assault Rifle would actually be a nerf. they do 30~ damage a shot and at least five shots a second.

This was my understanding. Then I was killed repeatedly and surprisingly quickly at ranges at which I would have expected the HMG to be inaccurate.

If Risk vs Reward were balanced, then I would be fine with things the way they are. You have to admit, that Heavies donGÇÖt die as easily or as often as other suits, and they are a lot more expensive. It makes sense that killing one should award more War Points than killing other suits. A tank gives more WP than a LAV, so a Heavy should give more WP than an Assault suit.

I don't know about bullet drop, but frankly it is pretty damn silly that our bullets simply dissapear in midair.
In my own experience the burst HMG simply can't do damage at ranges of about 20 meters or so, and being the most accurate of the lot off the bat I imagine the other HMG's don't fare much better.

Damage reduction should come from immense spread at range, not magical damage dropoff causing lethal projectiles to turn into moist wads of paper a few feet beyond a set distance.

there are ways to take heavies out. no one feels sorry for u if u cant figure them out.

the gun is semi-accurate at close-to-mid range as is. it loses all accuracy at long range. it hits (im making an exaggerated guesstimation here) 1 shot out of 10 at long range

yet here we are, QQing about the range on the HMGs, screaming 'NERF!!!'

the game is balanced decently well atm (except for lasers.......i dont like how they dont lose power at range, but w/e)