This has been asked for over and over since squads were first introduced. I'm sure it's one of those fixes that's been written down for future sorting.

They have been on vacation for awhile, as soon as they come back they hopefully will be releasing tons of promised fixes and new content.

I have to be on my toes here as ive been warned that i have been trolling, but things from my perspective have not changed in a while and please for the love of pete. i am not trolling. dust is a great game with tons of potential. but i get a general feeling of disconnect whenever i try to make constructive posts. i say things about matters in game that should be looked into then get messages in my email that i am trolling. it's not permitted. now granted i did add in an off topic joke about someone busting "mom" jokes i was warned point taken. trap i should not have fallen into. but as to game issues the build has been the same for a while.

this game has the potential to be huge, but you can't ignore the community...... the game is unbalanced in many ways and this is open beta now so i do not know if that's good or not i know the game will only get better with time patches / fixes but the whole "coming soon" thing is starting to be a real drag. starting to feel like "coming soon" is never going to get here. and if i get flamed for saying i am trolling or banned i am not only stating how i feel about the current gameplay. it's time to get off vacation and address the players before there are none

See the thing is, is that I don't want this to be a game where you're always waiting on the NEXT patch to be good. "oh yea that's annoying but it's getting fixed in the NEXT patch" and it just goes on and on. CCP has to be ON THE BALL, no time for dilly dallying. And as of right now, the core features are still not present. I don't know, maybe the studio just isn't big enough to really give this game the support it needs? I think this game has great potential as well, and there's a lot of cool features promised. But as of right now, it's just a watered down battlefield or killzone game that runs on probably 20 FPS when there's more than 3 people on the screen. All we have is some skirmish with the PROMISE of cooler game modes and features.

Now don't get me wrong, skirmish is fun, but can't battlefield 3 do everything we have RIGHT NOW but with 10x better graphics, animations, framerate, CONTROL SCHEME (using vehicles is almost pointless the controls and handling is so bad).

Two things this game has is the ISK system where guns and weapons get depleted so the incentive to try hard is always there, and a great progression system. These are both great features but there still needs to be more. I know it's only a "beta" but with a game that's not going to get a big retail release they needa listen to the community.

Riot Games (makers of League of Legends) have the same business model as CCP is using for Dust. League of Legends is the most played E-Sport (I'm not even going to call it a video game, because it's not, it's an E-Sport at this point) and the pro players live in mansions. And since I've played LoL for over 3 years, I can tell you that Riot listens to the community more than anything. Think of it like a restaurant, the chef makes exactly what you tell them to, if the doesn't it gets sent back. When dishes don't get sent back, you stay in business.

See the thing is, is that I don't want this to be a game where you're always waiting on the NEXT patch to be good. "oh yea that's annoying but it's getting fixed in the NEXT patch" and it just goes on and on. CCP has to be ON THE BALL, no time for dilly dallying. And as of right now, the core features are still not present. I don't know, maybe the studio just isn't big enough to really give this game the support it needs? I think this game has great potential as well, and there's a lot of cool features promised. But as of right now, it's just a watered down battlefield or killzone game that runs on probably 20 FPS when there's more than 3 people on the screen. All we have is some skirmish with the PROMISE of cooler game modes and features.

Now don't get me wrong, skirmish is fun, but can't battlefield 3 do everything we have RIGHT NOW but with 10x better graphics, animations, framerate, CONTROL SCHEME (using vehicles is almost pointless the controls and handling is so bad).

Two things this game has is the ISK system where guns and weapons get depleted so the incentive to try hard is always there, and a great progression system. These are both great features but there still needs to be more. I know it's only a "beta" but with a game that's not going to get a big retail release they needa listen to the community.

Riot Games (makers of League of Legends) have the same business model as CCP is using for Dust. League of Legends is the most played E-Sport (I'm not even going to call it a video game, because it's not, it's an E-Sport at this point) and the pro players live in mansions. And since I've played LoL for over 3 years, I can tell you that Riot listens to the community more than anything. Think of it like a restaurant, the chef makes exactly what you tell them to, if the doesn't it gets sent back. When dishes don't get sent back, you stay in business.

Battlefield doesn't get Orbital Bombardments but seriously and i know this is same old worn out, hung out to dry, stamped into the ground excuse, but this is a beta, most of the core features are still being developed and have to pass closed testing to eliminate the worst bugs before they pass it on to us to try out. And don't forget that the shanghai studio(the ones developing dust) are currently on vacation till the 21st, expect to see things pick up after then.

+1 on the Contacts its been a SOONtm thing for some time now. Here are some of them ill bring them back to the front. BTW they are in feedback requests were im guessing this will be moved soon. LOL

The warning I'm giving to CCP is to not be a Slant Six with Confrontation. Too many times I had seen my brother battling on the forums with 1000+ upvote posts for them to completely ignore what the community wanted. LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE FORUMS. We play this game, not you. In the end, you are the slaves to us. If someone on these forums writes up a great post with ideas and everyone upvotes it and agrees that they love, DO IT. Do not think that you can make this game on your own, do not be cocky. I wish this game the best of luck and I am still having fun on it regardless, but the frustration of sending a squad invite made me recall repressed memories of a game that had potential but plummeted to its doom.

We play this game, not you. In the end, you are the slaves to us. If someone on these forums writes up a great post with ideas and everyone upvotes it and agrees that they love, DO IT. Do not think that you can make this game on your own, do not be cocky.

It's understandably frustrating to have features not working, or that they lack something or that they're not even there. But seriously, I mean seriously - you need more patience. As others have said, this is a BETA - not a full game, just a beta.

Take into account this is CCP's first ever First Person Shooter. Comparing it to other FPS games, always bare in mind, these development companies have had far more experience of perfecting FPS games than CCP does. Honestly, this game hasn't even been in open beta for quarter of a year and people are still complaining, still crying about things.

Do you know how long it takes to make a game good? A long time. CCP are trying their absolute best to make this great for everyone who gets involved. Honestly, I'm no fanboy, but I'll give CCP the benefit of the doubt, why the game is lagging, why graphics have weak rendering and the lack of features at the moment... I'll give CCP... 3, no hell 5 YEARS to make this game amazing. I'm happy to wait, play through all the amazing features and the features that suck. If I think they suck, I will give my opinion, but I would never tell CCP "YOU BETTER NOT KEEP SCREWING UP OR YOU'LL FAIL" - why? What the hell is the point? This game is free 100% free, you're not even forced to buy AUR. I buy all my gear soley with ISK, I'm throwing myself at objectives and racking up a high killcount with low death count.



^^ That comment you made also - is dickish. Seriously, who do you think you are? They've given you a free game, hell, they've made an actual game. Go on, try making one yourself... didn't think so. It's CCP's game, let them do whatever they want to it. I trust they'll make an amazing game. This isn't supposed to be Battlefield, Call of Duty, Killzone, Halo - its an original game, or as original you can get for an FPS. Your attempts of belittling CCP is amusing actually, but in all seriousness. This game is much more suitable for an Eve/Strategist veteran, not much an FPS veteran.

Regarding the Jita Riots...
I see their significance differently. We needed the Jita riots to get CCP's attention. Arguably, if they had been sensitive to the community's issues the riots would not have been necessary. There's an appropriate aphorism, 'Some people don't see the writing on the wall until their back is up against it."

To the OP's underlying point...
The user interface is inconsistent, complicated and often does not adhere to PS or established FPS standards. These issues have be raised by the community from the very early days of the closed beta. In CCP's defence, they are trying to make a single interface do triple duty with DS3, Move and KB/M -- not an easy job. None the less, CCP have not addressed those UI issues.

Certainly, CCP have no responsibility to share details of it's plans, the nature of it's testing, or it's reaction to user feedback with the beta player community. However, after repeated versions of "we read all your comments and take them into account" over the months it isn't unreasonable that the community would expect more interaction than it gets.

Regarding the Jita Riots...
I see their significance differently. We needed the Jita riots to get CCP's attention. Arguably, if they had been sensitive to the community's issues the riots would not have been necessary. There's an appropriate aphorism, 'Some people don't see the writing on the wall until their back is up against it."

Then it should already be in this game. They say that you can tell a rookie dev from a veteran dev just by how well and easy the menus work and navigate. The fact that they launched the game with the complicating squad inviting shows that they must have thought that this was a viable way. That worries me.

While I respect Iron Wolf Saber and his dedication to the community I am saddened to find that users concerns are being addressed through developers pet projects and communicated through chat channels and/or private communications with user community leaders.

My respects to the OP for a bit of a hijack but I'm not sure where else to post it.

Lonnar, my apologies, I read this

"For everyone else, read on cause this is rather important and proves that CCP listens to the players."

and then you gave the Jita example. I took that to mean you thought Jita was an example of CCP listening. I took exception because I thought Jita was an example of CCP not listening until things got so bad an uprising was necessary. Perhaps we were saying the same thing.

But to the idea that CCP has learned it's lesson and we should bide our time because DUST 514 does not suffer from the same blindness EVE displayed pre-Jita I was struck by what Iron Wolf Saber said in a subsequent post...

"Most of these are however pet projects worked on by the developers but hopefully will be in the upcomming 'expansion'"

While I respect Iron Wolf Saber and his dedication to the community I am saddened to find that users concerns are being addressed through developers pet projects and communicated through chat channels and/or private communications with user community leaders. I would feel better for the game if they were addressed through some more formal process with acknowledgement to the community from the managers of that process that scheduling of the effort was a considered modification to the overall project plan.

It may be I misinterpret the pet project comment. It could be it means "These things were considered, put into the plan, but because of community interest we have moved them up in the schedule." I hope that's the case. If he knows (and cares to) Iron Wolf Saber may be able to clarify.

So I joined my first Corp last night, and I decided to build a squad. I don't know how other corps find squads but in ours I guess you just type into the corp chat channel that you're available for play. Now I figured that I would just be able to highlight their name (within the chat box) and hit "send squad invite" but that didn't seem to be the case. I then figured that I could just find their name in the corp list and invite from there....that didn't work either. Then I realized that I had to go to the squad tab and type their name in (some were too hard to remember in the first place) and then you have to click on a big box, and then click on their name (even though you already typed it in) and then hit OK. That is so ridiculously over complicated for such a simple yet and important feature. And I cannot help to think that this game as of right now reminds me of SOCOM:CONFRONTATION. Now I'm sure there's at least ONE person here who remembers Slant Six and their game S:C. The game released legitimately unfinished, nothing worked, none of the menus were easy to navigate through, it was just an absolute disaster (Slant Six ended up just giving up on the game and I don't even think SOCOM games are ever going to come out again.)

The warning I'm giving to CCP is to not be a Slant Six with Confrontation. Too many times I had seen my brother battling on the forums with 1000+ upvote posts for them to completely ignore what the community wanted. LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE FORUMS. We play this game, not you. In the end, you are the slaves to us. If someone on these forums writes up a great post with ideas and everyone upvotes it and agrees that they love, DO IT. Do not think that you can make this game on your own, do not be cocky. I wish this game the best of luck and I am still having fun on it regardless, but the frustration of sending a squad invite made me recall repressed memories of a game that had potential but plummeted to its doom.

So for one thing to put on your to-do list, can you just make it sending a squad invite a one-touch-button procces? Example: Highlight their name in the corp channel, hit TRIANGLE, the invite is sent.


EDIT: While I'm at it, I might as well just say that the squad leader setting objectives is super tedious as well. The amount of times I tried to hit "capture C" and it said "no valid target" made it seem like a waste to even try. It's like you need a clear line of sight, even though most of the time the objectives are very far away. I would rather have a drop down menu that lists "capture, defend, attack" and then if you click capture, it lists everything captureable in order of importance (points you don't have, CRU's, supply depots, etc). That way I don't have to sit around with my cross hair turned into a shield, hoping no one comes at me, trying to legitimately SNIPE the point with the cross hair.

OR, since there's no need for 4 different commands (you really only need to 2 (attack/cap) and then defend). Why not just make it so if I hold a button with my crosshair on a structure it will either say attack or defend depending on who owns the structure. There's NO NEED for there to be "attack" AND "capture" all it does is complicate things. Just do attack/defend with a quick button. Sigh.

Yes, I agree that inviting people to squads should be easier, and I imagine that CCP will get around to it at some point. The core game features aren't even in yet, after all, they should focus on that before polishing. Having them spend time on the minor stuff will delay the major stuff.



This level of entitlement and arrogance is entirely uncalled for, however. If EVE Online is any indication, CCP knows what they're doing when it comes to game design, and they don't deserve people treating them like a bunch of amateurs. I'm impatient for the more impressive and unique features too, but there's no need to berate them.

Then it should already be in this game. They say that you can tell a rookie dev from a veteran dev just by how well and easy the menus work and navigate. The fact that they launched the game with the complicating squad inviting shows that they must have thought that this was a viable way. That worries me.