You have a few typos... but Vk.1 Assault > Scout any day of the week.

To be fair...

Vk.1 Assault is by far the best suit in the game... In other words

Assault Vk.1 > All

Depends. Scout allows skilled players to freely move around the map, and their survival is based on knowing how to use terrain to their advantage and aiming well. I can beat most ADV Assault suits easily right now in my A-series.

I've seen a couple decent players running scout with AR lately, they are definitely harder to take out in close range due to their strafing speed. Gotten owned by a few too, although I think lag had a part, as they left the firefight nearly untouched even though I landed many shots. Which is pretty much impossible to do on a paper-thin class against a Gek.

But a scout with an AR has been much more effective against me than a scout with a shotgun.

They can jump pretty high... yeah, that's about it.

So Caldari > Gallente??? I knew they were awesome. :P

I don't get this.... i've never seen a scout that could actually dodge my bullets since E3, and now that the hit detection finally got fixed scout suits got royally ''Kittened''. Up close with any suit be it assault or logi with a shotgun is just as laggy as with a scout.

Fun Faq:

Max support skill AS VK1 shields; 545 - SS VK1 Shields; 285

vk0 scout is what you need to be comparing to the vk1 assault

still...

Propaganda. At least our women are pretty and we have smallest... hit-boxes.

Propaganda. At least our women are pretty and we have smallest... hit-boxes.

One legitamet advantage that the scout suits have is a higher stamina pool, but as of now it ends there

Depends. Scout allows skilled players to freely move around the map, and their survival is based on knowing how to use terrain to their advantage and aiming well. I can beat most ADV Assault suits easily right now in my A-series.

Dont see anything new. Scouts are meant for speed. Assaults are meant for assaults.

*Shrug*

In case you haven't noticed yet that really isn't the case in the game.

Dont see anything new. Scouts are meant for speed. Assaults are meant for assaults.

*Shrug*

I can only hope we get that "we'll look into Scouts soon" as it has been announced for Heavies. Scouts really need slight buff to things that make them distinct.

Worst of all is side movement/strifing. It feels like moving in mud, and we all concur on it.

Maybe we should launch campaign when the Devs come back; not sure if they are aware of the problem existence at all.

Unfortunately they still haven't made changes to the heavy. I can only hope its a buff and will be here next build.

Don't worry though... Once I get my heavy buff, ill definetly support my nemesis(scout w/shotty) class to get a buff aswell.

HMG's need a nerf and Heavy suits them self need a buff, as for scout/shotgun combo you obviously haven't ran into Annie Oakley yet because assault shotgun is better in every way possible

Depends on the player.

I dont expect to see someone in a scout suite pick up an AR and try and go head on with someone in an assault. But I have seen many scouts move around and take points very fast.

To each their own. I will say on average the Assault suit is better for all around, but scout is damn good too for specific rolls. As it should be in my mind.

There is something else you are missing.

It's a secret only us scout suits know.

I don't want to say because there is an obvious counter.

There is something else you are missing.

It's a secret only us scout suits know.

I don't want to say because there is an obvious counter.

HMG's need a nerf and Heavy suits them self need a buff, as for scout/shotgun combo you obviously haven't ran into Annie Oakley yet because assault shotgun is better in every way possible

The only thing that makes the HMG look so powerful is the fact that so many players seem to think that headbutting the heavy is a brilliant idea.

I can only hope we get that "we'll look into Scouts soon" as it has been announced for Heavies. Scouts really need slight buff to things that make them distinct.

Worst of all is side movement/strifing. It feels like moving in mud, and we all concur on it.

Maybe we should launch campaign when the Devs come back; not sure if they are aware of the problem existence at all.

You all wait until signatures get fixed and cloaking comes around, then you'll all see. Peace to the scouts.

Tier II suits will fix this.

Speculation has lead me to nothing but disappointment in the past.

(...) The worst part if it's a female suit. They are hard to hit.

Hit boxes are the same until a Dev or GM debunks this.

Male and female suits share the hit-box size. At least should be so.

From this topic I learned that there is a speculation that Scout suits might not have smaller hit-box than Assault.

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Or he meant male/female not Scout/Assault?

It has already been confirmed that the female/male hitboxes are the same.

I think CCP lied to us.

There is something else you are missing.

It's a secret only us scout suits know.

I don't want to say because there is an obvious counter.

HMGs need a slight spin time before firing and to start out at the most accurate and loose accuracy as they fire, so in order to get the longer range shots it's more effective to fire in burst

Depends. Scout allows skilled players to freely move around the map, and their survival is based on knowing how to use terrain to their advantage and aiming well. I can beat most ADV Assault suits easily right now in my A-series.

They didnt, stop acting craz, it's a video game it's made out of math. They are the same, deal with it you wierdo.

actually it is the other way around, the longer you fire the more accurate they are due to the gyros

Why didnt you do that last night instead of rage quitting after you got flux'd?

Depends. Scout allows skilled players to freely move around the map, and their survival is based on knowing how to use terrain to their advantage and aiming well. I can beat most ADV Assault suits easily right now in my A-series.

Multi-barrel cannon are built to allow a more sustained and higher rate of fire. A cannon with single barrel could match the rate of fire we have, so the only reason to have the multiple barrels seems to be to allow longer sustained fire.

The gyro system would suggest this is intent as well.

Modern rotary cannon can spin up vary quickly and are accurate. M61A2 has 1/4 sec spin up time. Gau-8 has accuracy to place 80% of burst in 7 1/2" circle at 50 yards. So realistically, the accuracy should be high enough to fire a long burst of head shots till overheat at max damage after .25sec. Heavy machine guns are also effective at much longer ranges then sniper rifles, why snipers used scoped hmg to snipe at extreme range till anti-material rifles were available.

Only cause of increasing inaccuracy in rotary fired sustained, is warping from heat. So the heat meter would have to cool before start of next burst for initial accuracy. the high mass of rotary cannon and high rate of fire make the recoil and muzzle rise less of a factor in accuracy.

In game, a hmg that spun up would conserve ammo while walking to target if, adjusting aim by tracer. And the effective range of burst would be longer, since the spread would be less initially. it would be harder for ar to pick off heavy at range.

If we had an option for a rotary with a spool up and constant accuracy as a variant, yeah more variety. The way mechanism of hmg is described, it would work the way it does in game.

Multi-barrel cannon are built to allow a more sustained and higher rate of fire. A cannon with single barrel could match the rate of fire we have, so the only reason to have the multiple barrels seems to be to allow longer sustained fire.

The gyro system would suggest this is intent as well.

Modern rotary cannon can spin up vary quickly and are accurate. M61A2 has 1/4 sec spin up time. Gau-8 has accuracy to place 80% of burst in 7 1/2" circle at 50 yards. So realistically, the accuracy should be high enough to fire a long burst of head shots till overheat at max damage after .25sec. Heavy machine guns are also effective at much longer ranges then sniper rifles, why snipers used scoped hmg to snipe at extreme range till anti-material rifles were available.

Only cause of increasing inaccuracy in rotary fired sustained, is warping from heat. So the heat meter would have to cool before start of next burst for initial accuracy. the high mass of rotary cannon and high rate of fire make the recoil and muzzle rise less of a factor in accuracy.

In game, a hmg that spun up would conserve ammo while walking to target if, adjusting aim by tracer. And the effective range of burst would be longer, since the spread would be less initially. it would be harder for ar to pick off heavy at range.

If we had an option for a rotary with a spool up and constant accuracy as a variant, yeah more variety. The way mechanism of hmg is described, it would work the way it does in game.

Multi-barrel cannon are built to allow a more sustained and higher rate of fire. A cannon with single barrel could match the rate of fire we have, so the only reason to have the multiple barrels seems to be to allow longer sustained fire.

The gyro system would suggest this is intent as well.

Modern rotary cannon can spin up vary quickly and are accurate. M61A2 has 1/4 sec spin up time. Gau-8 has accuracy to place 80% of burst in 7 1/2" circle at 50 yards. So realistically, the accuracy should be high enough to fire a long burst of head shots till overheat at max damage after .25sec. Heavy machine guns are also effective at much longer ranges then sniper rifles, why snipers used scoped hmg to snipe at extreme range till anti-material rifles were available.

Only cause of increasing inaccuracy in rotary fired sustained, is warping from heat. So the heat meter would have to cool before start of next burst for initial accuracy. the high mass of rotary cannon and high rate of fire make the recoil and muzzle rise less of a factor in accuracy.

In game, a hmg that spun up would conserve ammo while walking to target if, adjusting aim by tracer. And the effective range of burst would be longer, since the spread would be less initially. it would be harder for ar to pick off heavy at range.

If we had an option for a rotary with a spool up and constant accuracy as a variant, yeah more variety. The way mechanism of hmg is described, it would work the way it does in game.

Yes, I was replying to Sleepy Zan's comment on hmg.

HMGs need a slight spin time before firing and to start out at the most accurate and loose accuracy as they fire, so in order to get the longer range shots it's more effective to fire in burst

Multi-barrel cannon are built to allow a more sustained and higher rate of fire. A cannon with single barrel could match the rate of fire we have, so the only reason to have the multiple barrels seems to be to allow longer sustained fire.

The gyro system would suggest this is intent as well.

Modern rotary cannon can spin up vary quickly and are accurate. M61A2 has 1/4 sec spin up time. Gau-8 has accuracy to place 80% of burst in 7 1/2" circle at 50 yards. So realistically, the accuracy should be high enough to fire a long burst of head shots till overheat at max damage after .25sec. Heavy machine guns are also effective at much longer ranges then sniper rifles, why snipers used scoped hmg to snipe at extreme range till anti-material rifles were available.

Only cause of increasing inaccuracy in rotary fired sustained, is warping from heat. So the heat meter would have to cool before start of next burst for initial accuracy. the high mass of rotary cannon and high rate of fire make the recoil and muzzle rise less of a factor in accuracy.

In game, a hmg that spun up would conserve ammo while walking to target if, adjusting aim by tracer. And the effective range of burst would be longer, since the spread would be less initially. it would be harder for ar to pick off heavy at range.

If we had an option for a rotary with a spool up and constant accuracy as a variant, yeah more variety. The way mechanism of hmg is described, it would work the way it does in game.

Multi-barrel cannon are built to allow a more sustained and higher rate of fire. A cannon with single barrel could match the rate of fire we have, so the only reason to have the multiple barrels seems to be to allow longer sustained fire.

The gyro system would suggest this is intent as well.

Modern rotary cannon can spin up vary quickly and are accurate. M61A2 has 1/4 sec spin up time. Gau-8 has accuracy to place 80% of burst in 7 1/2" circle at 50 yards. So realistically, the accuracy should be high enough to fire a long burst of head shots till overheat at max damage after .25sec. Heavy machine guns are also effective at much longer ranges then sniper rifles, why snipers used scoped hmg to snipe at extreme range till anti-material rifles were available.

Only cause of increasing inaccuracy in rotary fired sustained, is warping from heat. So the heat meter would have to cool before start of next burst for initial accuracy. the high mass of rotary cannon and high rate of fire make the recoil and muzzle rise less of a factor in accuracy.

In game, a hmg that spun up would conserve ammo while walking to target if, adjusting aim by tracer. And the effective range of burst would be longer, since the spread would be less initially. it would be harder for ar to pick off heavy at range.

If we had an option for a rotary with a spool up and constant accuracy as a variant, yeah more variety. The way mechanism of hmg is described, it would work the way it does in game.

I pointed game balance out as well. If the hmg was changed to more modern type rotary cannon (spool up), it would be a buff(clearly not needed) to hmg.

There is no reason for accuracy to decrease for realism sake, only game balance. The current system is more realistic then decreasing accuracy, real rotary would have constant accuracy till barrel warps from heat. The gyro stabilizer makes sense, and would give behavior found in game. Real bullets fly farther of course, but range limit is clearly needed.

So, I was saying the hmg as it is now is fine, and just as realistic as the more common spool up first type. A spool up type without gyro would be a nice variant, but hmg mechanic is fine as is. Any balancing should just tweak numbers, not general pattern.

Same with scout, concept is fine but may need small tweaks. Speed, stamina, cpu/pg, and sensor/stealth being area that could be tweaked.
I would wait to change though, scout is suppose to be an ewar specialist as well and we have no ewar modules in game yet.

Any more then small buff should wait for these mods, or it could be op once added then over-nerfed. Wait while underpowered is better then a buff-nerf-buff-nerf yo-yo.

Propaganda. At least our women are pretty and we have smallest... hit-boxes.

I don't think many people got it. I liked the joke though. +1 sexy time humor

Also, aren't scouts going to get camo implemented in the future?

They didnt, stop acting craz, it's a video game it's made out of math. They are the same, deal with it you wierdo.

I don't think many people got it. I liked the joke though. +1 sexy time humor

Also, aren't scouts going to get camo implemented in the future?

Depends. Scout allows skilled players to freely move around the map, and their survival is based on knowing how to use terrain to their advantage and aiming well. I can beat most ADV Assault suits easily right now in my A-series.