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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:53:00 -
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Assault suit can do better,
Yes they can!,
No they can't!,
Yes they can!,
No they can't!,
Yes they can! Yes they can! yes they caaaaaan!
PG; 60 - 60 = Equal
CPU; 230 - 300 = 30% AS
High; 3 - 4 = 1 High AS
Low; 3 - 3 = Equal
Equip; 2 - 2 = Equal
Shield; 100 - 125 Shield = 25% AS
Armor; 90 - 175 = 94% AS
Rate; 40 hp/s - 25 hp/s = 60% SS
Delay; 4.0s - 6.0s = 33% SS
Move; 5.6 m/s - 5.0 m/s = 12% SS
Sprint; 7.8 m/s - 7.0 m/s = 11% SS
Profile; 45 DB - 50 DB = 10% SS
NOW THE FUN PART BEGINS VK1's :)
SS VK1 - AS VK1
PG; 66 - 66 = Equal
CPU; 253 - 330= 30% AS
High; 3 - 4 = 1 High AS
Low; 3 - 3 = Equal
Equip; 3 - 2 = 1 Equip SS
Shield; 70 - 225 Shield = 220% AS
Armor; 135 - 105 = 28% SS
Rate; 40 hp/s - 25 hp/s = 60% SS
Delay; 4.0s - 4.8s = 16% SS
Move; 5.5 m/s - 5.1 m/s = 8% SS
Sprint; 7.7 m/s - 7.1 m/s = 8% SS
Profile; 45 DB - 50 DB = 10% SS
And the WINNER by knockout in the first round!
Ding!, Ding!, Ding! Assault suit VK1/B-series/TypeII.... |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:55:00 -
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Yep, it's a sad truth all us Scout suits have to live with. |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:56:00 -
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You have a few typos... but Vk.1 Assault > Scout any day of the week. |
DJINN Marauder
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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:59:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:You have a few typos... but Vk.1 Assault > Scout any day of the week.
To be fair...
Vk.1 Assault is by far the best suit in the game... In other words
Assault Vk.1 > All |
Icy Tiger
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:00:00 -
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Depends. Scout allows skilled players to freely move around the map, and their survival is based on knowing how to use terrain to their advantage and aiming well. I can beat most ADV Assault suits easily right now in my A-series. |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:01:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:You have a few typos... but Vk.1 Assault > Scout any day of the week. To be fair... Vk.1 Assault is by far the best suit in the game... In other words Assault Vk.1 > All
To be fair any suit other then the scout suit is better then the scout suit... i'm just too lazy to write down the differences and it will be a TL;DR thread anyways. |
DJINN leukoplast
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:03:00 -
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I've seen a couple decent players running scout with AR lately, they are definitely harder to take out in close range due to their strafing speed. Gotten owned by a few too, although I think lag had a part, as they left the firefight nearly untouched even though I landed many shots. Which is pretty much impossible to do on a paper-thin class against a Gek.
But a scout with an AR has been much more effective against me than a scout with a shotgun. |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:03:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Depends. Scout allows skilled players to freely move around the map, and their survival is based on knowing how to use terrain to their advantage and aiming well. I can beat most ADV Assault suits easily right now in my A-series.
its just a 8% increase to move and sprint speed wich is insignificant
Is skill based not suit...
Give me Faq's that are actually worth talking about.... If not then i demand a well deserved buff to the scout suit. |
WyrmHero1946
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:05:00 -
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So Caldari > Gallente??? I knew they were awesome. :P |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:06:00 -
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They can jump pretty high... yeah, that's about it. |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:07:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:I've seen a couple decent players running scout with AR lately, they are definitely harder to take out in close range due to their strafing speed. Gotten owned by a few too, although I think lag had a part, as they left the firefight nearly untouched even though I landed many shots. Which is pretty much impossible to do on a paper-thin class against a Gek.
But a scout with an AR has been much more effective against me than a scout with a shotgun.
I don't get this.... i've never seen a scout that could actually dodge my bullets since E3, and now that the hit detection finally got fixed scout suits got royally ''Kittened''. Up close with any suit be it assault or logi with a shotgun is just as laggy as with a scout. |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:08:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:They can jump pretty high... yeah, that's about it.
Just as high as the type 2 AS with a single speed mod |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:09:00 -
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WyrmHero1946 wrote:So Caldari > Gallente??? I knew they were awesome. :P
Caldari Assault suit is just a place holder in this thread, you can use any other suit and you'll get the same effect |
crazy space 1
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:12:00 -
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Technical-Support wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:I've seen a couple decent players running scout with AR lately, they are definitely harder to take out in close range due to their strafing speed. Gotten owned by a few too, although I think lag had a part, as they left the firefight nearly untouched even though I landed many shots. Which is pretty much impossible to do on a paper-thin class against a Gek.
But a scout with an AR has been much more effective against me than a scout with a shotgun. I don't get this.... i've never seen a scout that could actually dodge my bullets since E3, and now that the hit detection finally got fixed scout suits got royally ''Kittened''. Up close with any suit be it assault or logi with a shotgun is just as laggy as with a scout.
My tech 2 scout in the last build and before with 2 enhanced speed mods has a sprint speed of 11.2, now it has a sprint sped of 8.6
In the last build the scout not only had a higher base sprint speed but it also had lots of fitting left over. Now you can't fit more than a gek and 2 speed mods before running out of space. Forget fitting the prototype speed mods, only the prototype scout has enough powergrid to fit 2 of them now. They take at least double the powergrid to fit and scouts have 20-30% less cpu and powergrid now.
Basically it's all ****** |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:13:00 -
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Fun Faq:
Max support skill AS VK1 shields; 545 - SS VK1 Shields; 285 |
Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:17:00 -
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Technical-Support wrote:Fun Faq:
Max support skill AS VK1 shields; 545 - SS VK1 Shields; 285
vk0 scout is what you need to be comparing to the vk1 assault
still... |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:19:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Technical-Support wrote:Fun Faq:
Max support skill AS VK1 shields; 545 - SS VK1 Shields; 285 vk0 scout is what you need to be comparing to the vk1 assault still...
SS VK0 doesnt have enough cpu to fit militia shield extenders sorry.... |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:19:00 -
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One legitamet advantage that the scout suits have is a higher stamina pool, but as of now it ends there |
ZiwZih
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:19:00 -
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Propaganda. At least our women are pretty and we have smallest... hit-boxes. |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:21:00 -
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ZiwZih wrote:Propaganda. At least our women are pretty and we have smallest... hit-boxes.
Hit boxes are the same until a Dev or GM debunks this. |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:21:00 -
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ZiwZih wrote:Propaganda. At least our women are pretty and we have smallest... hit-boxes.
A smaller hit box is relying on the skill of your opponent as an advantage, those types "advantages" are pretty meaningless and should be disregarded imo |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:23:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:One legitamet advantage that the scout suits have is a higher stamina pool, but as of now it ends there
At vigor lvl 5 stamina becomes irrelevant. |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:28:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Depends. Scout allows skilled players to freely move around the map, and their survival is based on knowing how to use terrain to their advantage and aiming well. I can beat most ADV Assault suits easily right now in my A-series.
That applies to all suits other than the heavy, but a heavy with a free LAV ,or any other suit for that matter, evens the playing field on mobility. |
XXfootnoteXX
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:39:00 -
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Dont see anything new. Scouts are meant for speed. Assaults are meant for assaults.
*Shrug* |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:42:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Dont see anything new. Scouts are meant for speed. Assaults are meant for assaults.
*Shrug*
In case you haven't noticed yet that really isn't the case in the game. |
XXfootnoteXX
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:47:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Dont see anything new. Scouts are meant for speed. Assaults are meant for assaults.
*Shrug* In case you haven't noticed yet that really isn't the case in the game.
Depends on the player.
I dont expect to see someone in a scout suite pick up an AR and try and go head on with someone in an assault. But I have seen many scouts move around and take points very fast.
To each their own. I will say on average the Assault suit is better for all around, but scout is damn good too for specific rolls. As it should be in my mind. |
ZiwZih
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:48:00 -
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I can only hope we get that "we'll look into Scouts soon" as it has been announced for Heavies. Scouts really need slight buff to things that make them distinct.
Worst of all is side movement/strifing. It feels like moving in mud, and we all concur on it.
Maybe we should launch campaign when the Devs come back; not sure if they are aware of the problem existence at all. |
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:52:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Dont see anything new. Scouts are meant for speed. Assaults are meant for assaults.
*Shrug*
That's the point, they don't have more speed, not really.
But **** it guys, it's beta. We will have 4 scout suits to pick from soon. |
DJINN Marauder
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:59:00 -
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ZiwZih wrote:I can only hope we get that "we'll look into Scouts soon" as it has been announced for Heavies. Scouts really need slight buff to things that make them distinct.
Worst of all is side movement/strifing. It feels like moving in mud, and we all concur on it.
Maybe we should launch campaign when the Devs come back; not sure if they are aware of the problem existence at all.
Unfortunately they still haven't announced any changes to the heavy. I can only hope its a buff and will be here next build.
Don't worry though... Once I get my heavy buff, ill definetly support my nemesis(scout w/shotty) class to get a buff aswell. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.02.15 00:00:00 -
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am I the only one that tried to read it like the song? |
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