You get injected with zombie juice.

he doesnt talk, he only sends a text message. When you die dropsuits send out a message.

Ok, stop thinking about this in terms of what we currently think of as "dying". When you are lying on the ground you are not dead yet. When you "bleed out" I'm assuming the suit injects you with a neurotoxin before it disintegrates and transmitting your mind to a new clone. The "deaths" listed on your KDR is just a term used for becoming incapacitated and either spawning in to a new clone or getting hit with the needle. They are events that occur and therefor are discrete and cannot be "undone". You get put down, revived and put down again that's 2 deaths. Because it happened twice. Every kill has to have a death attached.

Otherwise it would become meaningless within a day. Got some corpmates on the other team? You and 2 red corpies run out to the middle of nowhere and you kill one of them, the other revives them, you kill them again, rinse and repeat. You get hundreds of kills they get 1 death. Every kill means someone gets a death.

Also, everyone's "true" KDR wouldn't exist because none of us have or will ever actually die.

You would die when you die, not when you have been revived. If you die then come back to life your not dead. Rinse and repeat see where the coin lands if your lucky it will be on life and you kdr should reflect that. However its cool to keep my deaths down I will just take my first death and keep it moving. No point in racking up on unnecessary deaths.

What?

Your given the option to fight to live or give up and die. Can't fight to live if your already dead. That is why your not given the option when hit by a grenade or shot by a railgun. You disintegrate. No life, instant death.

When you are on the ground, you are already medically dead. The suit sends out a distress beacon automatically. Hitting call and respawn are just so the player isn't locked there until it is too late. People can be revived from death, even IRL, if it happened soon enough and the body is still capably of supporting life. The Nanoinjector injects nanobots to repair damage, but it kinda needs but so much body to work with, hence insta-bleed-out on being 'gibbed'.

I started off thinking that, yes, we should not have a death if we are revived!

But then I got to really thinking about it... we are the immortals. We don't die. We get revived into another clone body; whether we are revived by nanites or a download - it is still technically a revive.

So there are really two statistics at play --- and anyone familiar with EVE knows that you can't have enough statistics.

1) Currently in-game we are given a statistic that represents kills per revival (no matter how we are revived)
2) Some people think it is more important to show the statistic for kills per lost clone (only when we actually use up a clone; by this statistic the in-battle revives would not count against us)

I think I actually see a place for both numbers. As JohnDS Wolf pointed out (top of page 2), allowing people to revive you is being almost as much of a team player as performing the actual injection --- not enough to warrant WP, but maybe enough to warrant a favorable statistic for corps to view.

No, you are not already "dead". The transfer of your consciousness has to happen at the instant of brain death or you risk degradation that could lead to loss of memories and abilities or possibly physical handicap or even insanity. And also possibly wet graving, but not sure of that's a concern for the mercs or only capsuleers.

Anything that pierces the skull triggers an automatic transfer as does the concussive force of an explosion. This is done as a failsafe to ensure the transfer completes. If the body were to survive the head wound or explosion it would still automatically be destroyed.

Tell that to the headshot-sniped people I've rezzed. Remember, the Merc technology is completely separate from the Capsuleer consciousness migration tech. People have been revived from headshots, low level explosives, and even LAVs to the brainpan. Once the body is too far gone to be revived however, then and only then do the incendiary packs go off.

Bringing a player's health to zero and killing him outright are two very different things, since the former allows the player to be revived, so yes, both variables should be tracked. K/D doesn't tell us how often a player has scored instant kills or prevented enemies from being revived. This would be an even more important statistic if we were given the ability to shoot downed players.

congrats, you just cost the team a clone that could have been used for some unfortunate sap that ran into a Tank. Being revive is still EXTREAMLY helpful. the fact you said that makes you only care about your self instead of your Team.

all in all, Revives shouldn't count as a death sence it dosn't count as a death acourding to the CC.

Agreed, this also relates to ISK values and clone loss. Tracking such things would provide a better indicator of the value both slayers and medics are providing on the field.

This would also be valuable information for recruiters. Although W/L and K/D can give them some idea of a player's skill, they need more information to evaluate potential recruits.

The KDR is already a pretty narrow view of the ability of a player. To alter it to KCR (Kill to Clone Ratio) would further dilute its usefulness.

KDR represents one view of the ability of a player to hamper the opposing team, that is the number of times they force the other team to spawn in or take time to revive the downed player.

KCR confounds the player's ability to harass the enemy team with his own team's ability to take care of him when he goes down. His revive requires another team member to stop killing or performing other useful actions to attend to him. He is thus a drag on his team each time he goes down.

KCR is a much better measure of team efficiency because it rewards teams that can kill the best with the least amount of logistical support.

Now if you're being penalized for being revived by a teammate with an additional death then this post should be posted in the bugs forum to be tested and fixed.

A 'death/kill' is when HP (both armor and shields in this case) drops to zero there's no workaround for that, you are dead. It has been the rule since role-playing games have been in existence. To 'revive' someone is to bringing someone from the brink of death just before the conscienceness is transfered back to the clone vat.

So to recap... if you HP goes to zero that means you have been defeated in battle which is a death for you and a kill for the recipient regardless if you've been revived. Just be glad that you don't have to respawn from one of your captured checkpoints, use a clone out of the reserve and run back to the battle.

Now if you're being penalized for being revived by a teammate with an additional death then this post should be posted in the bugs forum to be tested and fixed.

Just so we're on the same page, everybody who does not want it to count as a death if you are revived would be fine with it also not counting a kill?