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dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2013.02.08 22:40:00 -
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So I was playing a game, trying to go X amount of kills and 0 deaths. I died one time and got revived. At the end of the match it said I went 12 and 1. As I understand it if a clone is revived that clone is spared, suits, weapon, etc. We don't actually die until we bleed out, so why should we take the death until we bleed out? If we wanted to get technical we are actually on the ground dying but not yet dead. What also make this bad, is when you get revived and die, revived and die, and so on, all those deaths count. I know of another game where a revive spared your death ratio. Now I know this is not that other game, it is Dust 514. So I post this to see if maybe it is a mistake/glitch, or is it intentional? I think this should be fixed. I wanted to know if the community knows this and how do they feel about it? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1062
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Posted - 2013.02.08 22:59:00 -
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We've been over this repeatedly for months on the forums- it's a death because you slowed down your team. Preventing a death means you have to do some work- by getting downed, you failed to prevent yourself for potentially getting a death, but someone else put time and effort into picking your sorry ass off the ground. A good KDR means you can take care of yourself- you don't need some medic saving your ass.
However, it only damages your KDR, because the medic saved you to keep the clone count up. |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order
35
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Posted - 2013.02.08 23:04:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:We've been over this repeatedly for months on the forums- it's a death because you slowed down your team. Preventing a death means you have to do some work- by getting downed, you failed to prevent yourself for potentially getting a death, but someone else put time and effort into picking your sorry ass off the ground. A good KDR means you can take care of yourself- you don't need some medic saving your ass.
However, it only damages your KDR, because the medic saved you to keep the clone count up. And that is why medic get points for picking you up. Your not making sense buddy. As I said before you did not die yet. If they fix this it would be more of an incentive to let someone revive you. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
96
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Posted - 2013.02.08 23:09:00 -
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If they fix...what? Nothing is broken. You went down. Your HP went below 0. That's a death. You don't undo that just because someone saved you afterwards. |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order
35
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Posted - 2013.02.08 23:13:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:If they fix...what? Nothing is broken. You went down. Your HP went below 0. That's a death. You don't undo that just because someone saved you afterwards. So we die twice? As I understand it we are on the ground bleeding out. Or the majority of Dust player just don't know what there talking about. A revive means you were brought back to life, so you technically did not die. How can you call for help if your dead? What you mean is you were down, incapacitated, immobilized, not dead. Dying, not dead. Some have not notice you can shoot a downed player and he will then die. |
Stinker Butt
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:07:00 -
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You are immortal. Safe in your quarters, while your clone is not so safe. You may have lost a small battle, but the war continues. Your stats reflect this. That dose of nanites may have saved your suit and a clone, but your stats should still show the fact that you lost the battle. Perhaps "death" is not the most appropriate term, but it seems the easiest. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
432
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:18:00 -
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Your KDR reflects how bad you suck, not your ISK efficiency. |
Razor Risen
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:23:00 -
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You are right ! CCP fix this ! It shouldnt count as a death ! |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:23:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:We've been over this repeatedly for months on the forums- it's a death because you slowed down your team. Preventing a death means you have to do some work- by getting downed, you failed to prevent yourself for potentially getting a death, but someone else put time and effort into picking your sorry ass off the ground. A good KDR means you can take care of yourself- you don't need some medic saving your ass.
However, it only damages your KDR, because the medic saved you to keep the clone count up.
best way put, since i carry around that nanite injector... we get points because we pick others up out of the dirt.... granted, those nanites have to probably restart your heart... but that is as close to death as you get |
Razor Risen
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:24:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:If they fix...what? Nothing is broken. You went down. Your HP went below 0. That's a death. You don't undo that just because someone saved you afterwards.
Thats not true |
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
432
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:31:00 -
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Razor Risen wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:If they fix...what? Nothing is broken. You went down. Your HP went below 0. That's a death. You don't undo that just because someone saved you afterwards. Thats not true When some one dies in a hospital and is then revived, they still died. |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:35:00 -
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It does sounds a bit stupid, to have a nanite injector to repair the dropsuit, and ending up with a new one that is half broken. Is not like you come back alive with full shields, full armor, and you ammo fully restock.
Just saying...... |
Irish Syn
Chernova Industries
123
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:37:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Your KDR reflects how bad you suck, not your ISK efficiency. Not true at all, your KDR reflects absolutely nothing. I agree with the OP that it shouldn't count as a death for the simple fact that you didn't die, you were just wounded. Perhaps you went crazy and reckless because you knew you had a medic nearby, but in any other circumstance you would of never made that decision. Honestly I don't care because KDR doesn't effect anything in this game, it's just a bragging stat.
My favorite suit is a logi and I run around supporting my team giving them ammo, repairing their armor, and picking them up when they fall. I'll often get in the top 3 players on the team with a few death and maybe only a couple kills simply because that's not what I'm focusing on. Heck, I made it into the top 3 players without killing anyone once.
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
432
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Posted - 2013.02.09 01:05:00 -
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Irish Syn wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Your KDR reflects how bad you suck, not your ISK efficiency. Not true at all, your KDR reflects absolutely nothing. I agree with the OP that it shouldn't count as a death for the simple fact that you didn't die, you were just wounded. Perhaps you went crazy and reckless because you knew you had a medic nearby, but in any other circumstance you would of never made that decision. Honestly I don't care because KDR doesn't effect anything in this game, it's just a bragging stat. My favorite suit is a logi and I run around supporting my team giving them ammo, repairing their armor, and picking them up when they fall. I'll often get in the top 3 players on the team with a few death and maybe only a couple kills simply because that's not what I'm focusing on. Heck, I made it into the top 3 players without killing anyone once. LOL, but obviously the OP cares about it. I too have little regard for KDR. I do however like it to be + as it helps my suits go farther for their money. |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.02.09 01:07:00 -
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To be honest i didn't realize that a "revive" counts as a death, to i saw this topic. Now i know this, i don't going to be waiting for a medic any more. As soon as i die, i going to re-spawn as quick as possible, and get a right NEW, fully restock dropsuite.
What you guys has done in the Close Beta ? it seems that CCP have some horrible advice from some of you guys. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1062
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Posted - 2013.02.09 01:10:00 -
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dabest2evadoit7 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:We've been over this repeatedly for months on the forums- it's a death because you slowed down your team. Preventing a death means you have to do some work- by getting downed, you failed to prevent yourself for potentially getting a death, but someone else put time and effort into picking your sorry ass off the ground. A good KDR means you can take care of yourself- you don't need some medic saving your ass.
However, it only damages your KDR, because the medic saved you to keep the clone count up. And that is why medic get points for picking you up. Your not making sense buddy. As I said before you did not die yet. If they fix this it would be more of an incentive to let someone revive you. The point is, you messed up, and the death shows that. |
Irish Syn
Chernova Industries
123
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Posted - 2013.02.09 01:13:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:To be honest i didn't realize that a "revive" counts as a death, to i saw this topic. Now i know this, i don't going to be waiting for a medic any more. As soon as i die, i going to re-spawn as quick as possible, and get a right NEW, fully restock dropsuite. What you guys has done in the Close Beta ? it seems that CCP have some horrible advice from some of you guys. But if you get revived you don't lose any of the gear you had on it, saving you ISK (unless you are using a starter fit or full BPO). |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order
35
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Posted - 2013.02.09 01:53:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Razor Risen wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:If they fix...what? Nothing is broken. You went down. Your HP went below 0. That's a death. You don't undo that just because someone saved you afterwards. Thats not true When some one dies in a hospital and is then revived, they still died. And came back, so they beat death. When they come back they are no longer dead. Stats should reflect most up to date information. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
363
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Posted - 2013.02.09 02:47:00 -
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dabest2evadoit7 wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Razor Risen wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:If they fix...what? Nothing is broken. You went down. Your HP went below 0. That's a death. You don't undo that just because someone saved you afterwards. Thats not true When some one dies in a hospital and is then revived, they still died. And came back, so they beat death. When they come back they are no longer dead. Stats should reflect most up to date information. It seems you don't understand what a "death" is. It is an event that occurs, not a state of being. None of us can actually "die" as our consciousness is simply transferred to a new clone at the moment our current body expires.
Whether you spawn into a new clone or whether somebody uses a nanite injector on you is irrelevant. Your KDR is just another metric that potential employers can use to determine your value as a merc. Therefor each time you are killed it represent a potential loss of a clone and resources. This way it measures your skills at combat, not a corpmates skill with the needle.
Don't forget nothing is simply stuck in to this game. Everything has a purpose and to greatest extent possible nothing is arbitrary. |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:02:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:dabest2evadoit7 wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Razor Risen wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:If they fix...what? Nothing is broken. You went down. Your HP went below 0. That's a death. You don't undo that just because someone saved you afterwards. Thats not true When some one dies in a hospital and is then revived, they still died. And came back, so they beat death. When they come back they are no longer dead. Stats should reflect most up to date information. It seems you don't understand what a "death" is. It is an event that occurs, not a state of being. None of us can actually "die" as our consciousness is simply transferred to a new clone at the moment our current body expires. Whether you spawn into a new clone or whether somebody uses a nanite injector on you is irrelevant. Your KDR is just another metric that potential employers can use to determine your value as a merc. Therefor each time you are killed it represent a potential loss of a clone and resources. This way it measures your skills at combat, not a corpmates skill with the needle. Don't forget nothing is simply stuck in to this game. Everything has a purpose and to greatest extent possible nothing is arbitrary. I just think it is unfair to any player who is revived and killed again instantly. Honestly does that make him a bad player? He could be a team player waiting for a revive so he does not use up clones and in doing so he puts himself at risk for another death. I am better off just taking that one death and starting fresh. Of course when you reward players for reviving team mates, that becomes their priority. It is easier to get the revive points than it is to kill the enemy that just shot him. Since you get up at half health you become an easier target. Now your getting unintentionally trolled and your stats show that, however no one knows that when they see your k/d. It is a ****** up system and I truly hope it wasn't intentionally done. I hope it was an over site soon to be fixed. |
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JohnDS Wolf
Exit Wound Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:06:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:To be honest i didn't realize that a "revive" counts as a death, to i saw this topic. Now i know this, i don't going to be waiting for a medic any more. As soon as i die, i going to re-spawn as quick as possible, and get a right NEW, fully restock dropsuite. What you guys has done in the Close Beta ? it seems that CCP have some horrible advice from some of you guys.
congrats, you just cost the team a clone that could have been used for some unfortunate sap that ran into a Tank. Being revive is still EXTREAMLY helpful. the fact you said that makes you only care about your self instead of your Team.
all in all, Revives shouldn't count as a death sence it dosn't count as a death acourding to the CC. |
First Prophet
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
35
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:08:00 -
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If you're afraid of being killed after being revived, just bleed out. Or join a corp with medics you can trust. We don't need to change the system because you're afraid of your KDR losing a few points. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
363
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:19:00 -
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On the rare occasions that I run a logibro I'll let someone bleed out before I'll revive them without clearing the area first. Only time they'll get a double killed is if a red dot straight up outplays me and sneaks in there. The double death caused by idiots in pub matches is just that; idiots. It sucks that their stupidity screwed you but it happens to all of use and that doesn't mean they need to start changing game mechanics.
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dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:31:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:On the rare occasions that I run a logibro I'll let someone bleed out before I'll revive them without clearing the area first. Only time they'll get a double killed is if a red dot straight up outplays me and sneaks in there. The double death caused by idiots in pub matches is just that; idiots. It sucks that their stupidity screwed you but it happens to all of use and that doesn't mean they need to start changing game mechanics.
You say it as though it is suppose to be that way. I honestly believe it is an over site. Most people are saying it should not be changed but we are not even sure the system is in place intentionally. It is a beta and may be something they missed. |
Anighman Hanna
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:45:00 -
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OP, What you're saying is that if you get downed and revived you shouldn't have a death on you, what is supposed to happen to the person that "killed" you? they took you all the way down and got a kill added to their stats, is that kill supposed to be removed once you get revived? that's robbing the enemy player of that kill. You're asking if it is intentionally implemented, i believe it is just to reflect the skill of all players. If someone bests you in combat and runs off, then a teammate comes up to revive you, that opponent still bested you and it should reflect on their stats. |
First Prophet
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
35
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:47:00 -
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It's been this way for a few builds now and it's been mentioned before. Probably not an oversight. Doesn't mean it won't change in the future, but I personally don't see any reason for it to change. |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order
35
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:51:00 -
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Anighman Hanna wrote:OP, What you're saying is that if you get downed and revived you shouldn't have a death on you, what is supposed to happen to the person that "killed" you? they took you all the way down and got a kill added to their stats, is that kill supposed to be removed once you get revived? that's robbing the enemy player of that kill. You're asking if it is intentionally implemented, i believe it is just to reflect the skill of all players. If someone bests you in combat and runs off, then a teammate comes up to revive you, that opponent still bested you and it should reflect on their stats. No they get to keep the so called kill, I mean they earned the points. However if you get revived your spared the death. Just like in BF3. That would be more incentive to wait and be revived. I mean honestly, let say I am running a free suit, the only reason I wait is to spare a clone? Wouldn't it be better if I got back in the fight?
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Prangstar RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
63
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:55:00 -
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it counts as a death because you died, if it weren't like that kdr's would be skewed. |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order
35
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:57:00 -
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Prangstar RND wrote:it counts as a death because you died, if it weren't like that kdr's would be skewed. Again aren't you lying there calling for help? Does the term bleeding out mean your already dead? Funny, I never heard a dead man call for help. |
Prangstar RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
63
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:59:00 -
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dabest2evadoit7 wrote:Prangstar RND wrote:it counts as a death because you died, if it weren't like that kdr's would be skewed. Again aren't you lying there calling for help? Does the term bleeding out mean your already dead? Funny, I never heard a dead man call for help.
You get injected with zombie juice. |
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