If all your doing here is playing an FPS (like the Imperfects), then you will do just fine. Your members that are only here to play an FPS, they will do just fine. This post is towards the 25-30% of those wanting to be involved in the MMO part of things, but finding themselves hitting the plateau. The enablers and the instigators CCP has put it.



We are not failing because we do understand this situation.

Corporate Burn Out

A lot of the older Corps in DUST 514 are facing Corp burn out. This game just currently does not have the mechanics in place to allow corps to lead properly and having only the role GÇ£DirectorGÇ¥ is far too much power to give someone if you want them to do just one task(like recruiter).

So whatGÇÖs happening?

Well first off People in RL join a business to get PAID. Well we cannot pay our Mercs properly and we seem to be more of a charity currently with our members paying us with GÇ£DonationsGÇ¥. A PAID Merc is a Happy Merc.

Now if you canGÇÖt have money then whatGÇÖs the next best thing? POWER!

Players want to have reasonabilityGÇÖs, to feel apart and to gain recognition for their work, but as stated above we canGÇÖt really do this without taking a huge risk in trust. This makes players unhappy in their Corps when they want to move up the ladder. In our case itGÇÖs just a stepping stool. Those that are give a GÇ£saidGÇ¥ position with no abilities is most of the time looked over by other members and this causes many arguments within a Corp. This brings the last point.

Why is there a lack of Communication from leadership? Because No other Communication tools are in place.

We have been given Corp forums here on dust514.com (If you didnGÇÖt know then go here) but not all our members go look at forums on a daily bases. So we need Corp mail and bulletins in place. Otherwise Tommy does not know that Jimmy was promoted and so Tommy tell Jimmy to **** himself when heGÇÖs told to take Alpha. This falls on Tommy for not reading the forums and so he blames his leadership for not telling him to listen to Jimmy in the first place.

We as Corp Leaders are being blamed by our members that we are not doing our jobs because we are trying to Play the MMO part of DUST but are only given pure FPS Mechanics.

This is all you can do in DUST:

Pub Match and grind SP & ISK

Play a Corp Match and do a coin flip for ISK

You really donGÇÖt need leadership to tell you to do these things, but we are all in corps for what is to come and it seems we are becoming board with the facts that it is not here. I Know CCP your working on it, but we need it fast.

But hey, maybe itGÇÖs CCP plan to get us all pissed or starved so we start to eat one another. What greater conflict driver then that?

I bet I'm the cause of this post

I don't see how it's hard to communicate when you have two forums and more then 20 people in total active on both letting the corp in game know what's going on. If members feel neglected it's not CCP's fault. It's leaders for not giving out the information properly to be distributed. Or else you kill the point of PAYING FOR ENJIN.

Enjin sux btw

Somewhat true. I do wish we had someone posting up a sort of bulletin of events on what happened daily. Something "general". So that I agree to, Sota. Still all I want to know is when do I get paid? Ha-ha-ha-ha.

I kidd, on the getting paid part.

BULLETIN:

Today Members logged on to DUST and Grinded up SP. Then had to eat dinner and go to bed.

More of this at 11.


I Kid, but we don't have much to say Dust wise. A once a week thing would be cool though and we are starting Weekly meeting now to help with word of mouth communication

Hmm? The conversation hasn't turned into a complete child drama fest yet .
There may be hope for these guys just yet.

Yeah I'm honestly bored of doing the same thing over and over again. 50 million ISK, so what I can't do anything with it I'd like to burn through that.
Sp grinding? Yawn give me an objective or a sense of accomplishment.
This senseless repetition reminds me of my dark days in Battlefield 3.

You could always get the guys preparing for the Imperfects tournament.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54759&find=unread

Perhaps try and get community events and shows going to add more fun to the game like the ROFL leadership has done.

http://www.twitch.tv/mitauchi

Part of being a strong CEO is understanding how to work within limitations, even very constrictive one. Provide a reason for your members to stay active and be a part of the group. If players are getting burned out on the game as you say I would expect all Corporations to see declining numbers.

Players will notice the corporations that are burning brightly even if there are issues with the game, naturally they will be drawn to the ones that provide extra fun and content, and a reason for them to be a member other than just repping a name.

A bad workman always blames his tools, in this case I agree the tools are a bit flawed. However you should be looking how to best use the flawed tools instead of blaming problems on them since there is nothing you can do to fix them at the moment.

If my directors ever QQ'ed because they couldn't keep the corp together I'm pretty sure most folks would have to admit that it was the beginning of a fail cascade.

So, what's up Zion? You gonna fall apart before we've even had the chance to roll you?

Not at all. Still have 300+. LOL People see 1 guy get kicked and want to yell theres a fire.

@ Tourneys: I have 300+ members and can only allow 8 at a time in to a tourney. What is the other 292 or so members going to do? LOL

Not at all. Still have 300+. LOL People see 1 guy get kicked and want to yell theres a fire.

@ Tourneys: I have 300+ members and can only allow 8 at a time in to a tourney. What is the other 292 or so members going to do? LOL

Not at all. Still have 300+. LOL People see 1 guy get kicked and want to yell theres a fire.

@ Tourneys: I have 300+ members and can only allow 8 at a time in to a tourney. What is the other 292 or so members going to do? LOL

To be fair I didn't think Zion was in bad shape at all until you came out and said you are going through a Corporate burn out. I think that is what people are talking about, not Sota Pop.

I also agree 100% with your MMO statement. Anyone who is here and is more interested in the MMO aspect of it has no reason to be playing yet, and that's a little bit of a shame.

My advice? Put mercs before ISK. It works out better in the long run. Bottom line is this: Mercs can make money anywhere, the question that as to be answered, is why would they want to make it with you?

To be fair - the people in ZTCD feel there leadership is AFK or on EvE all the time. Just because I was the only one who posted about it doesn't mean it's not being talked about constantly.

Is ZTCD going through a burn out? No, nothing supports this statement. If ZTCD is going through a burnout it's because anyone with any gun game either left or got banned for not putting up with emos.

Save the Drama for Your Mama! - Randy Gage

http://youtu.be/qWP1ljfjz-I


Here's the truth: Everyone has drama and trauma come into their lives at some points. It's not that happy people don't experience challenges - it is how they choose to respond to them. Learn how to shift your perspective to shift your results.

heheheh.
That's the most I've ever laughed on the forums.
+1
Seriously I don't laugh too often.

You never play Sota, you have no idea. And no gun game? We win 80%-90% of our Corp battles. Our guys grab most the top spots in their matches. I'm Proud of our team and your words now shows you never did.

I think he might have used the wrong word there.
It's more like people are getting ansty.

One person was kicked because Racism is not aloud especially to his extent and SoTa was kicked because whatever his reasoning is this time around.

Oh and just to kick some more dust - When I talked to your officers or 'people with rank' they had NO idea what to tell me about my complaints. They just told me - sorry can't help they don't know what's going on or what to do.

So if you believe it's just a leader to member communication problem your sorely mistaken. Even among your officers they don't know wtf is going on.

Can't wait for this exact same post about the Imperfects in 2-3 months time.

Followed by the "All Hail ' ??? '", where will SoTa end up next any guesses? I wouldn't be against putting isk on the line to make it more fun

I bet I'm the cause of this post

This is my Sota Pop Challenge. I want you to make a Forum Diary right here in General Discussion for everyone to see and write about your experience with IMPswarm. Show all of us how they are a functioning Corporation and not just some FPS Clan.

From where IGÇÖm at right now, all the things that you said we did not have I do not see any of it in IMPswarm. ItGÇÖs just an FPS Clan, but you can show all of us otherwise.

+1 for having Corporate standards in my opinion. Even if this board is a lawless hellhole

I think a lot of the Zion misconception comes from your sheer numbers. I've seen Zion squads that crush to the same extent as the imperfects going about 100-3 as a squad. I've also seen a Zion Squad get whipped into shape by me and a few of my friends who I would say are not really that hardcore of players. It's nearly impossible to have universal skill standards unless you are running a closed community.

This is my Sota Pop Challenge. I want you to make a Forum Diary right here in General Discussion for everyone to see and write about your experience with IMPswarm. Show all of us how they are a functioning Corporation and not just some FPS Clan.

From where IGÇÖm at right now, all the things that you said we did not have I do not see any of it in IMPswarm. ItGÇÖs just an FPS Clan, but you can show all of us otherwise.

Please don't put Zion squads and same extent(level) as imperfects. That is just insulting. Universal skill is possible just look at good players and if you observe closely you might see what I'm talking about

+1 for having Corporate standards in my opinion. Even if this board is a lawless hellhole

I think a lot of the Zion misconception comes from your sheer numbers. I've seen Zion squads that crush to the same extent as the imperfects going about 100-3 as a squad. I've also seen a Zion Squad get whipped into shape by me and a few of my friends who I would say are not really that hardcore of players. It's nearly impossible to have universal skill standards unless you are running a closed community.

Thanks man and you hit it. We are a community and so things will always be a hit or miss in battles depending who you play. we take the dads and the weekend worriors. We take those still in school or have a job (sometimes both). They hop in and show their LFS and then get their game on. They my Bros!

If you Cant be in the COOL Kids club, then grab a beer and chill with us. We are working on things where you can be a part, even if it's part time

You guys have universal skill, but like I said you are a closed community. You vet all your players to ensure they are up to your standards before you make them an Imperfect. You also use a feeder corp to ensure you can train players not up to your standards before you let them take on the official Imp tags. Comparing yourself to an anyone is more or less welcome corp is kind of silly.

I was also suggesting there are players in Zion who are at the same level as some Imps, at least from my experience playing against both squads. If you honestly think every single imp is better than all 300 Zion members that's pretty silly.

Hi, will you join my mining corp?

We like to hang out, shoot rocks and talk trash.

Damn - you just missed me.

And wow this thread is getting a lot of attention - likes are just skyrocketing.

Thanks man and you hit it. We are a community and so things will always be a hit or miss in battles depending who you play. we take the dads and the weekend worriors. We take those still in school or have a job (sometimes both). They hop in and show their LFS and then get their game on. They my Bros!

If you Cant be in the COOL Kids club, then grab a beer and chill with us. We are working on things where you can be a part, even if it's part time

This is more or less my mentality as well. I don't want to be yelled at if my KDR isn't up to snuff, or if I **** up on the battlefield. I don't want to have to be approved by players that are better than me who can affirm I can also be a part of the elite but only after I put my time in in the trenches.

I understand the appeal of it, and there is not doubt it trains the best and most deadly warriors. If you want to be the best a closed skilled Corp is really the only recipe for success. It's just not how I personally enjoy the game. It's why I am a Crimson Raven, a small corp of ppl that I like to play with that I'm sure nobody has really heard of. I'm glad I can also be a part of ROFL as well because then we can also play to some larger more exciting goals at the same time.

I never plan to take a Contract against the Imperfects, I know we would lose it's obvious to me. I know there will still be a space for us to fight in the galaxy taking on other Corps at our level, and I can always cheer on Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunters and other ROFL corps when it comes to truly elite competition because we are both supporting the same cause in different ways.

Now on to you, I haven't seen you play but based off your posts you seem really silly, especially your standards on who is good or not.

Soooo you're trying to blame CCP on the fact that you have a sinking ship

I've got you a few times in closed beta with my Codewish maybe like 2-20 against you. So yeah overall you kicked the **** out of me in quite a few matches. Kinda of instant death if you saw me with your Codewish. I never claimed to be an elite level player so I don't really take offense to you saying I'm not that good.

I also stick to pub matches so my sense of player skill is admittedly not great. Unlike you I don't claim to know the skill level of every Zion player.

There are some good points raised in some of the posts in this thread. I'll pass on the word that better communications tools are requested.

As for the things to do, we're still a ways away from release and despite this being Open Beta, we're not close to finished with the features we'll be delivering.

Agreed Sgt.Kirk. The grind is already becoming tedious.

If e-peens had mass, this thread would implode, taking half the galaxy with it.

If e-peens had mass, this thread would implode, taking half the galaxy with it.

Why no one want to join my mining corp?

I even have made really cool badges and sigs to show your rank. I read somewhere this is what all the successful corps do, so that means we will be successful.

The corp jabber server updates everyone on the state of the belts, and is mandatory to check before logging in. Imagine if you end up suicide-ganked because you didn't check the motd.

Me and my 10 alt accounts haven't burned out yet.

However this is not something that can be done with a hotfix as it would require a binary deployment that would need to thought Sony qa process and at that point u might as well shove it into the next build

There are some good points raised in some of the posts in this thread. I'll pass on the word that better communications tools are requested.

As for the things to do, we're still a ways away from release and despite this being Open Beta, we're not close to finished with the features we'll be delivering.

You have hit my point and dont even know it LOL. And in those two years you had people come and people go. It happens. This post is a "Hang in there" Post.

Look Betamax went through somthing with leadership and out popped Imperfects. They bounced back and are still together. PRO has had a few member hop out and leave to join us. Onslaught which is part of your ROFL had members leave and removed because they didnGÇÖt like the way Virgin Destroyer was leading them (Sorry enjin since that Corp mail to every VIP you have) the list goes on.

Everybody knows I have the dust e-peen record so go read my book! I tried to get a panoramic pic of my e-peen, doesn't fit

You guys have universal skill, but like I said you are a closed community. You vet all your players to ensure they are up to your standards before you make them an Imperfect. You also use a feeder corp to ensure you can train players not up to your standards before you let them take on the official Imp tags. Comparing yourself to an anyone is more or less welcome corp is kind of silly.

Zion Shad,

The content of this thread has merit. Everyone knows 3 roles in a corporation won't work, we've stated this before about better tools for corp. management. More attention should be brought to this issue.


But I swear... You have the worst timing.


First it was the whole DUST OB thing, then during that you announce your candidacy for CSM, really? Fast foward a few days and you kick one of your more charismatic members and then come and make this post a few hours later.

Next time you decide to make a post, look in the mirror and say, "Who have I offended or what have I done lately that can be used against me if I post this?"

Hardly any other groups have had issues because of the corporation model that is out now, don't put a majority of the blame on CCP because you don't know how to lead.

There are a lot of traits that go into being a leader and I'm still trying to find one or two of those in you.

Zion Shad,

The content of this thread has merit. Everyone knows 3 roles in a corporation won't work, we've stated this before about better tools for corp. management. More attention should be brought to this issue.


But I swear... You are the worst leader ever!.


First it was the whole DUST OB thing, then during that you announce your candidacy for CSM, really? Fast foward a few days and you kick one of your more charismatic members and then come and make this post a few hours later.

Next time you decide to make a post, look in the mirror and say, "Who have I offended or what have I done lately that can be used against me if I post this?"

Hardly any other groups have had issues because of the corporation model that is out now, don't put a majority of the blame on CCP because you don't know how to lead.

There are a lot of traits that go into being a leader and I'm still trying to find one or two of those in you.

Note: CCP Reply on Post #69

I have seen some members of corp go though these types of situations and Im hoping to show a little understanding of what you maybe going though.

A lot of the older Corps in DUST 514 are facing Corp burn out. This game just currently does not have the mechanics in place to allow corps to lead properly and having only the role GÇ£DirectorGÇ¥ is far too much power to give someone if you want them to do just one task(like recruiter).

So whatGÇÖs happening?

Well first off People in RL join a business to get PAID. Well we cannot pay our Mercs properly and we seem to be more of a charity currently with our members paying us with GÇ£DonationsGÇ¥. A PAID Merc is a Happy Merc.

Now if you canGÇÖt have money then whatGÇÖs the next best thing? POWER!

Players want to have reasonabilityGÇÖs, to feel apart and to gain recognition for their work, but as stated above we canGÇÖt really do this without taking a huge risk in trust. This makes players unhappy in their Corps when they want to move up the ladder. In our case itGÇÖs just a stepping stool. Those that are give a GÇ£saidGÇ¥ position with no abilities is most of the time looked over by other members and this causes many arguments within a Corp. This brings the last point.

Why is there a lack of Communication from leadership? Because No other Communication tools are in place.

We have been given Corp forums here on dust514.com (If you didnGÇÖt know then go here) but not all our members go look at forums on a daily bases. So we need Corp mail and bulletins in place. Otherwise Tommy does not know that Jimmy was promoted and so Tommy tell Jimmy to **** himself when heGÇÖs told to take Alpha. This falls on Tommy for not reading the forums and so he blames his leadership for not telling him to listen to Jimmy in the first place.

We as Corp Leaders are being blamed by our members that we are not doing our jobs because we are trying to Play the MMO part of DUST but are only given pure FPS Mechanics.

This is all you can do in DUST:

Pub Match and grind SP & ISK

Play a Corp Match and do a coin flip for ISK

You really donGÇÖt need leadership to tell you to do these things, but we are all in corps for what is to come and it seems we are becoming board with the facts that it is not here. I Know CCP your working on it, but we need it fast.

But hey, maybe itGÇÖs CCP plan to get us all pissed or starved so we start to eat one another. What greater conflict driver then that?

Sounds like a failure of leadership if you can't keep your people knowledgeable or in-line.

I can't comment on this, Ive only just joined. We'll see how stable things are. If there's any problems you'll bet it'll pop up around general discussions. whether Imps want it or not lol

Ah - the way of the forum warriors. Wrought with misery, carnage, tears, and hate mail.

Zitro's translation of OP: I have an STD, you might want to check yourself.
The answer is no I don't sleep with trash

Thanks man and you hit it. We are a community and so things will always be a hit or miss in battles depending who you play. we take the dads and the weekend worriors. We take those still in school or have a job (sometimes both). They hop in and show their LFS and then get their game on. They my Bros!

If you Cant be in the COOL Kids club, then grab a beer and chill with us. We are working on things where you can be a part, even if it's part time

This is more or less my mentality as well. I don't want to be yelled at if my KDR isn't up to snuff, or if I **** up on the battlefield.

@Cyn
it doesn't matter if he was charismatic or not. He didn't respect the rules or the authority. I don't know if you're talking about sota or stop but they both were kicked for not following and/or not respecting.
Rules are there for a reason, to maintain order.

There shouldn't be a blame on CCP but Imps and Zion and two completely different groups. Haha greatly different with different personalities. You guys are quite fond of ambush while a lot of us prefer skirmish. Its not exclusive but you'll find that the two groups gravitate towards one mode mostly.

Not everyone operates and has the same mindset.

Time to fall back and regroup Brotha'...this party hasn't even kicked off yet. You might want to lower expectations a bit before folks start to stroke out.

And I hope your big ass group doesn't really rely on these weak sauce forums for your primary means of getting the message out. If so, you better take another hard look at your logistical SOP

Howdy Sgt Kirk,

The post wasn't about how or why Sota was kicked, doesnt concern me in the slightest. Different corp, different rules.

My post was about how your leader seems to pick the WORST times to actually say something to the community, and how he wants CCP to shoulder a part of the blame for Zion's problems. (corp named after yourself, bad idea no.1)

Would being able to assign more positions in a corp help out? In the short term yes, but you can't modify or tweak a persons leadership ability like you can in game mechanics.

I feel for you guys in Zion just like I feel for the guys in STB. Leaders make or break corporations, guess which one is happening to you right now?

If another imp has to post telling you guys impswarm isn't a feeder corp, you must not be able to comprehend words. I don't compare others to my skill (cause no one that's good ). I compare them on basics like accuracy, situational awareness, etc. The good players that were in Zion, call sign, polish, sota pop, etc. we're good average players. Now out of 300 people Zion maybe has 4 good people(thats including jesse who isn't that good honestly) who can put up decent numbers. Now on to you, I haven't seen you play but based off your posts you seem really silly, especially your standards on who is good or not.

Just so's ya knows. I saw Free Beers on my team go 0/2 yesterday in a pub ambush that our team lost on. He came in like 13th place, I'd thought he'd dropped at first when I checked the board. Either his little sister (/daughter/wife/I don't know the guy, don't ask me) was playing on his profile and getting owned, or he had a really bad match. Either way, I would HOPE there are more important things to the Imps than K/D.

Have at me Free Beers!

i believe game burn out is far more common.
it's not a great experience running and gunning. laggy hit boxes. running into a heavy.
it's like they want realism but they don't commit. the non 300 meter ARs are a testament to that along with the sneeze shot gun.
you want realism do this
if not than go with this
trying to cater to both is not going to end well.

There's such a lack of love in this thread. It's all like smash, smash, suh-mash.

Remember guys, no matter what you done you deserve respect,. Even if you make mistakes, you lovable, doesn't matter your looks, skill, your age, or anything. You're worthwhile. No one can ever take that away from you.

Let me guess, you just cleaved a guys' head wide open, amiright?

SUH-MASH!!!!

(corp named after yourself, bad idea no.1)

You guys should have a listen to the latest CAST 514 podcast, I go over some of the things we are adding for corporations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywnlrtj0V8A

A lot of the discussions here sound exactly like the kind of "what next?" discussions we are having at the CCP offices so that's good to hear.

You have hit my point and dont even know it LOL. And in those two years you had people come and people go. It happens. This post is a "Hang in there" Post.

Look Betamax went through somthing with leadership and out popped Imperfects. They bounced back and are still together. PRO has had a few member hop out and leave to join us. Onslaught which is part of your ROFL had members leave and removed because they didnGÇÖt like the way Virgin Destroyer was leading them (Sorry enjin since that Corp mail to every VIP you have) the list goes on.

Hey ZTCD - this may blow your mind, but if a thread is saying something you have no real opinion on and have nothing to add but butt hurt tears that I had complaints and a direction to throw them - then you have the choice of not looking at it. It was obvious your emos didn't care about my subject - they avoided it completely.

ZTCD being good guys is a joke now. Did anyone else notice how quickly they attacked kain just for his tag? Is that good guy behavior? ZionShads community told him he was a bent knee va-jayjay for saying sorry to kain. I was one of 3 in the community who voiced pleasure of how Shad handled it. The rest were unhappy.

I've been in ZTCD 8 months. In those 8 months time I've done nothing to make anyone unhappy with me. OH - Besides defending kain. That made people very unhappy. And all it took was a member who didn't know where he belongs and me not letting him step into my thread and walk away unscathed for his stupid.

But ZTCD fears forum warriors. So maybe you guys were the ones planning all along to remove me.

And this will be my last post on the matter - *Lets out all the bad toxins*

I don't remember this but okay. could you tell me who i was squaded with? Just so I know your not making this up.

I do work from home and have to step away from the ps3 plenty during the day. This leaves me afk mcc or on the ground(waiting to be a free kill)

I am curious to the cause of your obsession over IMPs deadeye? You should really find something else to do with your spare time then trying to weak troll

You leave out the 2/3 of that post where I talk about how good the Imps are and how that they are doing is the key to success, taking my post out of context? Then there is KryptixX and Zitro insulting me even though I was really civil in this thread. I guess you can see what you want to, or maybe you didn't read the whole thing which I wouldn't blame you for. I'm not painting a target, but I don't just roll over when people give me **** either. That statement you quoted was in response to Zitro going after me because I said I've seen Zion do just as well as Imperfects in pub matches on occasion. (and I've seen Zion do poorly as well as I've stated)

Nice post Shad, and I'm glad a Dev responded to not only that but the general fact that good ideas have been presented in this thread. I think it was rather silly for people to throw out the assumption that ZionTCD is a sinking ship based on the post when it is far from that, but I wasn't surprised to see it happen, this is a gaming forum after all.

Shad simply took an opportunity to express a concern about the game and how a lack of features, that are believed to be coming, are highly needed and would be extremely useful. To say those additional powers and positions being made available in-game aren't needed to aid in properly running a corporation is silly. While it is absolutely possible run a Corporation without them, it is easier to do it when you have more tools in place, especially when having those extra abilities would make the job easier.

I seriously laughed out loud when I saw SoTa's first reply suggesting the post was about him. SoTa is playing this victim card like he was kicked for merely asking questions and trolling fellow members. The fact remains that he was kicked because after being advised to stop trolling those members, as it was a rule violation clearly shown on the ZionTCD site, he continued to do so and argued in defense of it. I couple that with how outspoken he was against the Imperfects and then joining a division of them as a true sign of his colors. It is what it is. The only problem I have SoTa is that while you were right in your post that communication was an issue you simply tossed out blame, complained, but never offered any real assistance or form of solutions.

While I don't know any of the Imperfects at all, and have only played against a few of you, I would be cautious in your statements about your ability to keep people in line:

Post #9


SoTa has already said he has no problem airing out his problems in public chat and he either had the intention of leaving ZionTCD from the start in order to create drama, or he is just being himself. In either case, before you say its a leadership failure in regards to keeping people in line note this:

Post #50


For the record, my response to Zitro's Post #16


Careful who you sleep with pal. Refer to Post #50.

With all that being said SoTa had a valid point in regards to communication. In Shad's defense ZionTCD is a pretty large corporation and it is very possible it blew up faster then he expected it would and as such he got stretched thin. I don't know Shad personally, nor have I had the opportunity to discuss any of that with him so it could be an off base observation, doesn't matter. Shad clearly has passion for running a team, passion for this game, and is clearly dedicated which is evident by the amount of time and energy he puts into all of it. If the fault in all of that is that he wasn't trusting enough to share responsibility with people he didn't know in order to better facilitate communication and the effectiveness of his team then thats a minor issue that can easily be fixed and I'm sure it will.

In SoTa's defense you are passionate man, but maybe directing that energy a bit wrong. Then again you may, as you have stated, just enjoy forum drama and or being involved in general trolling against people who also partake in it. To each his own and the best of luck to you.

To the Imperfects... well your imperfect, no pun intended :) But no seriously, I offer no criticism of your Corporation by my posts above as I don't know anything about it, just merely a rebuttal to your rather pointless attempts to blast another corporation for no apparent reason than in an apparent attempt to discredit them in a public venue, in which case, welcome to New Eden.

In regards to ZionTCD I'd encourage everyone to continue to try-out, be involved, and work toward a common goal of creating a corporation that you personally would love to be involved in. As Shad said in a previous post:



Best of luck to everyone involved in this game and community.

Just so's ya knows. I saw Free Beers on my team go 0/2 yesterday in a pub ambush that our team lost on. He came in like 13th place, I'd thought he'd dropped at first when I checked the board. Either his little sister (/daughter/wife/I don't know the guy, don't ask me) was playing on his profile and getting owned, or he had a really bad match. Either way, I would HOPE there are more important things to the Imps than K/D.

Have at me Free Beers!

Nice post Shad, and I'm glad a Dev responded to not only that but the general fact that good ideas have been presented in this thread. I think it was rather silly for people to throw out the assumption that ZionTCD is a sinking ship based on the post when it is far from that, but I wasn't surprised to see it happen, this is a gaming forum after all.

Shad simply took an opportunity to express a concern about the game and how a lack of features, that are believed to be coming, are highly needed and would be extremely useful. To say those additional powers and positions being made available in-game aren't needed to aid in properly running a corporation is silly. While it is absolutely possible run a Corporation without them, it is easier to do it when you have more tools in place, especially when having those extra abilities would make the job easier.

I seriously laughed out loud when I saw SoTa's first reply suggesting the post was about him. SoTa is playing this victim card like he was kicked for merely asking questions and trolling fellow members. The fact remains that he was kicked because after being advised to stop trolling those members, as it was a rule violation clearly shown on the ZionTCD site, he continued to do so and argued in defense of it. I couple that with how outspoken he was against the Imperfects and then joining a division of them as a true sign of his colors. It is what it is. The only problem I have SoTa is that while you were right in your post that communication was an issue you simply tossed out blame, complained, but never offered any real assistance or form of solutions.

While I don't know any of the Imperfects at all, and have only played against a few of you, I would be cautious in your statements about your ability to keep people in line:

Post #9


SoTa has already said he has no problem airing out his problems in public chat and he either had the intention of leaving ZionTCD from the start in order to create drama, or he is just being himself. In either case, before you say its a leadership failure in regards to keeping people in line note this:

Post #50


For the record, my response to Zitro's Post #16


Careful who you sleep with pal. Refer to Post #50.

With all that being said SoTa had a valid point in regards to communication. In Shad's defense ZionTCD is a pretty large corporation and it is very possible it blew up faster then he expected it would and as such he got stretched thin. I don't know Shad personally, nor have I had the opportunity to discuss any of that with him so it could be an off base observation, doesn't matter. Shad clearly has passion for running a team, passion for this game, and is clearly dedicated which is evident by the amount of time and energy he puts into all of it. If the fault in all of that is that he wasn't trusting enough to share responsibility with people he didn't know in order to better facilitate communication and the effectiveness of his team then thats a minor issue that can easily be fixed and I'm sure it will.

In SoTa's defense you are passionate man, but maybe directing that energy a bit wrong. Then again you may, as you have stated, just enjoy forum drama and or being involved in general trolling against people who also partake in it. To each his own and the best of luck to you.

To the Imperfects... well your imperfect, no pun intended :) But no seriously, I offer no criticism of your Corporation by my posts above as I don't know anything about it, just merely a rebuttal to your rather pointless attempts to blast another corporation for no apparent reason than in an apparent attempt to discredit them in a public venue, in which case, welcome to New Eden.

In regards to ZionTCD I'd encourage everyone to continue to try-out, be involved, and work toward a common goal of creating a corporation that you personally would love to be involved in. As Shad said in a previous post:



Best of luck to everyone involved in this game and community.

Howdy Sgt Kirk,

The post wasn't about how or why Sota was kicked, doesnt concern me in the slightest. Different corp, different rules.

My post was about how your leader seems to pick the WORST times to actually say something to the community, and how he wants CCP to shoulder a part of the blame for Zion's problems. (corp named after yourself, bad idea no.1)

Would being able to assign more positions in a corp help out? In the short term yes, but you can't modify or tweak a persons leadership ability like you can in game mechanics.

I feel for you guys in Zion just like I feel for the guys in STB. Leaders make or break corporations, guess which one is happening to you right now?

Imps will not seem to be a "sinking ship" as long as they are number one.

Not sure if it was a stunt (but it really didn't seem like it), one of the Imperfect members had an argument with Mr. Zitro, publicly, on this forum. He also mentioned that a lot of people weren't happy with something but he was the only one willing to voice his opinion.

So, my point of all of this is that the only thing that may be retaining Imperfect members is the fact that the Imps are so popular and are considered to be the best in the Dust at the moment. It may have nothing to do with Imp leadership. So, when you say, "I feel for you guys in Zion just like I feel for the guys in STB......", it made me feel like you're implying that civil unrest would not happen in the Imperfects because of your leadership when it was brought out here on the forums.

Edit: just an outsider's opinion looking in. But then, so are most of our opinions of other corp's inner dealings

That read in a way that ZionShad would write, an alt perhaps?

You bring up good points Dubbs. From looking inside the Imperfects to the outside at other corps. I see differences. Some players want notoriety, power, isk or just to win. Different driving factors for different people.

Every corp. has these type of members in them. The bond that usually holds them together is how well they get along. In my corp. we have our differences and we usually air them out IN HOUSE, not on the forums.

Funny thing about our corp is we all come from different gaming backgrounds and competition levels (not unlike other corps), but when we all first combined into Voltron we got along great.

We give each other shi t all the time, we rag on each others peculiarilties, race, loved ones and KNOW it's not meant personally but as a means to further friendship and communication.

I get trolled 1000x more in my own corp. than I do here on the forums... and I love it. My RL friends do the same thing, if I DIDNT get messed with in corp. then I'd know I was in the wrong one.

And that's the thing....corps like STB have been around before Dust. They have been playing with each other for a number of years and they are still here. They may gain or lose players but their core players will be around. And that's because they've enjoyed gaming with each other.

I believe that corps like STB and Zion has built has established that bond amongst their members so they wouldn't fall so easily.

Still here is debatable, that's like saying a person on life support is still in this world. It counts I guess but is a giant with no arms or legs still a giant?

Then there is KryptixX and Zitro insulting me even though I was really civil in this thread.