Zion Shad,

The content of this thread has merit. Everyone knows 3 roles in a corporation won't work, we've stated this before about better tools for corp. management. More attention should be brought to this issue.


But I swear... You are the worst leader ever!.


First it was the whole DUST OB thing, then during that you announce your candidacy for CSM, really? Fast foward a few days and you kick one of your more charismatic members and then come and make this post a few hours later.

Next time you decide to make a post, look in the mirror and say, "Who have I offended or what have I done lately that can be used against me if I post this?"

Hardly any other groups have had issues because of the corporation model that is out now, don't put a majority of the blame on CCP because you don't know how to lead.

There are a lot of traits that go into being a leader and I'm still trying to find one or two of those in you.

Note: CCP Reply on Post #69

I have seen some members of corp go though these types of situations and Im hoping to show a little understanding of what you maybe going though.

A lot of the older Corps in DUST 514 are facing Corp burn out. This game just currently does not have the mechanics in place to allow corps to lead properly and having only the role GÇ£DirectorGÇ¥ is far too much power to give someone if you want them to do just one task(like recruiter).

So whatGÇÖs happening?

Well first off People in RL join a business to get PAID. Well we cannot pay our Mercs properly and we seem to be more of a charity currently with our members paying us with GÇ£DonationsGÇ¥. A PAID Merc is a Happy Merc.

Now if you canGÇÖt have money then whatGÇÖs the next best thing? POWER!

Players want to have reasonabilityGÇÖs, to feel apart and to gain recognition for their work, but as stated above we canGÇÖt really do this without taking a huge risk in trust. This makes players unhappy in their Corps when they want to move up the ladder. In our case itGÇÖs just a stepping stool. Those that are give a GÇ£saidGÇ¥ position with no abilities is most of the time looked over by other members and this causes many arguments within a Corp. This brings the last point.

Why is there a lack of Communication from leadership? Because No other Communication tools are in place.

We have been given Corp forums here on dust514.com (If you didnGÇÖt know then go here) but not all our members go look at forums on a daily bases. So we need Corp mail and bulletins in place. Otherwise Tommy does not know that Jimmy was promoted and so Tommy tell Jimmy to **** himself when heGÇÖs told to take Alpha. This falls on Tommy for not reading the forums and so he blames his leadership for not telling him to listen to Jimmy in the first place.

We as Corp Leaders are being blamed by our members that we are not doing our jobs because we are trying to Play the MMO part of DUST but are only given pure FPS Mechanics.

This is all you can do in DUST:

Pub Match and grind SP & ISK

Play a Corp Match and do a coin flip for ISK

You really donGÇÖt need leadership to tell you to do these things, but we are all in corps for what is to come and it seems we are becoming board with the facts that it is not here. I Know CCP your working on it, but we need it fast.

But hey, maybe itGÇÖs CCP plan to get us all pissed or starved so we start to eat one another. What greater conflict driver then that?

Sounds like a failure of leadership if you can't keep your people knowledgeable or in-line.

I can't comment on this, Ive only just joined. We'll see how stable things are. If there's any problems you'll bet it'll pop up around general discussions. whether Imps want it or not lol

Ah - the way of the forum warriors. Wrought with misery, carnage, tears, and hate mail.

Zitro's translation of OP: I have an STD, you might want to check yourself.
The answer is no I don't sleep with trash

Thanks man and you hit it. We are a community and so things will always be a hit or miss in battles depending who you play. we take the dads and the weekend worriors. We take those still in school or have a job (sometimes both). They hop in and show their LFS and then get their game on. They my Bros!

If you Cant be in the COOL Kids club, then grab a beer and chill with us. We are working on things where you can be a part, even if it's part time

This is more or less my mentality as well. I don't want to be yelled at if my KDR isn't up to snuff, or if I **** up on the battlefield.

@Cyn
it doesn't matter if he was charismatic or not. He didn't respect the rules or the authority. I don't know if you're talking about sota or stop but they both were kicked for not following and/or not respecting.
Rules are there for a reason, to maintain order.

There shouldn't be a blame on CCP but Imps and Zion and two completely different groups. Haha greatly different with different personalities. You guys are quite fond of ambush while a lot of us prefer skirmish. Its not exclusive but you'll find that the two groups gravitate towards one mode mostly.

Not everyone operates and has the same mindset.

Time to fall back and regroup Brotha'...this party hasn't even kicked off yet. You might want to lower expectations a bit before folks start to stroke out.

And I hope your big ass group doesn't really rely on these weak sauce forums for your primary means of getting the message out. If so, you better take another hard look at your logistical SOP

Howdy Sgt Kirk,

The post wasn't about how or why Sota was kicked, doesnt concern me in the slightest. Different corp, different rules.

My post was about how your leader seems to pick the WORST times to actually say something to the community, and how he wants CCP to shoulder a part of the blame for Zion's problems. (corp named after yourself, bad idea no.1)

Would being able to assign more positions in a corp help out? In the short term yes, but you can't modify or tweak a persons leadership ability like you can in game mechanics.

I feel for you guys in Zion just like I feel for the guys in STB. Leaders make or break corporations, guess which one is happening to you right now?

If another imp has to post telling you guys impswarm isn't a feeder corp, you must not be able to comprehend words. I don't compare others to my skill (cause no one that's good ). I compare them on basics like accuracy, situational awareness, etc. The good players that were in Zion, call sign, polish, sota pop, etc. we're good average players. Now out of 300 people Zion maybe has 4 good people(thats including jesse who isn't that good honestly) who can put up decent numbers. Now on to you, I haven't seen you play but based off your posts you seem really silly, especially your standards on who is good or not.

Just so's ya knows. I saw Free Beers on my team go 0/2 yesterday in a pub ambush that our team lost on. He came in like 13th place, I'd thought he'd dropped at first when I checked the board. Either his little sister (/daughter/wife/I don't know the guy, don't ask me) was playing on his profile and getting owned, or he had a really bad match. Either way, I would HOPE there are more important things to the Imps than K/D.

Have at me Free Beers!

i believe game burn out is far more common.
it's not a great experience running and gunning. laggy hit boxes. running into a heavy.
it's like they want realism but they don't commit. the non 300 meter ARs are a testament to that along with the sneeze shot gun.
you want realism do this
if not than go with this
trying to cater to both is not going to end well.

There's such a lack of love in this thread. It's all like smash, smash, suh-mash.

Remember guys, no matter what you done you deserve respect,. Even if you make mistakes, you lovable, doesn't matter your looks, skill, your age, or anything. You're worthwhile. No one can ever take that away from you.

Let me guess, you just cleaved a guys' head wide open, amiright?

SUH-MASH!!!!

(corp named after yourself, bad idea no.1)

You guys should have a listen to the latest CAST 514 podcast, I go over some of the things we are adding for corporations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywnlrtj0V8A

A lot of the discussions here sound exactly like the kind of "what next?" discussions we are having at the CCP offices so that's good to hear.

You have hit my point and dont even know it LOL. And in those two years you had people come and people go. It happens. This post is a "Hang in there" Post.

Look Betamax went through somthing with leadership and out popped Imperfects. They bounced back and are still together. PRO has had a few member hop out and leave to join us. Onslaught which is part of your ROFL had members leave and removed because they didnGÇÖt like the way Virgin Destroyer was leading them (Sorry enjin since that Corp mail to every VIP you have) the list goes on.

Hey ZTCD - this may blow your mind, but if a thread is saying something you have no real opinion on and have nothing to add but butt hurt tears that I had complaints and a direction to throw them - then you have the choice of not looking at it. It was obvious your emos didn't care about my subject - they avoided it completely.

ZTCD being good guys is a joke now. Did anyone else notice how quickly they attacked kain just for his tag? Is that good guy behavior? ZionShads community told him he was a bent knee va-jayjay for saying sorry to kain. I was one of 3 in the community who voiced pleasure of how Shad handled it. The rest were unhappy.

I've been in ZTCD 8 months. In those 8 months time I've done nothing to make anyone unhappy with me. OH - Besides defending kain. That made people very unhappy. And all it took was a member who didn't know where he belongs and me not letting him step into my thread and walk away unscathed for his stupid.

But ZTCD fears forum warriors. So maybe you guys were the ones planning all along to remove me.

And this will be my last post on the matter - *Lets out all the bad toxins*