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Gemini Cuspid
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.08 07:44:00 -
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I'm a neutral member in this convo and probably just hate minimitar in general as an Amarrian but I have to admit, Zion has a point. It's not like an mmo where you can create a potential of multitude of events to do and invite large groups to participate and share some bounty. And for the MAG players, this is still the equivalent of a Sabo match so it's not like if you have a large corp you can field it all at once.
The game is a FPS mechanics; you shoot~and~play. What event are you gonna make out of that even? I'd hate to toss up the "we're in Beta" flag but I can say for those who played EvE, we already know how CCP's a lot more spot on with addressing needs and concerns faster than what we'd expect from a game in general.
I wouldn't mind seeing maps letting you field more troops personally speaking and I can see the need for more corp~support tools in place. If they get anywhere near the point where you can field multiple factions and hit near 100 players on a map, that'd make this game pretty awesome imo! As far as Zion and Imps go, I've done my fair share of gaming to say the best players can have a bad off day and vice versa for the worse of the group. So how about we save the e~peen battles for the game instead of the forums; it's so easy to talk smack and toss out figures because we can on the forums. It's either you make your reputation and people will acknowledge it or you just get the rep for being a trash talker whose all talk and no show
What can I saym I'm just a simple Amarrian in a default corp who just likes to play the game really |
Mr Turtlez
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2013.02.08 07:48:00 -
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TIL not everyone understands how to run a corporation |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2013.02.08 07:50:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Corporate Burn Out A lot of the older Corps in DUST 514 are facing Corp burn out. This game just currently does not have the mechanics in place to allow corps to lead properly and having only the role GÇ£DirectorGÇ¥ is far too much power to give someone if you want them to do just one task(like recruiter). So whatGÇÖs happening?
Well first off People in RL join a business to get PAID. Well we cannot pay our Mercs properly and we seem to be more of a charity currently with our members paying us with GÇ£DonationsGÇ¥. A PAID Merc is a Happy Merc. Now if you canGÇÖt have money then whatGÇÖs the next best thing? POWER!Players want to have reasonabilityGÇÖs, to feel apart and to gain recognition for their work, but as stated above we canGÇÖt really do this without taking a huge risk in trust. This makes players unhappy in their Corps when they want to move up the ladder. In our case itGÇÖs just a stepping stool. Those that are give a GÇ£saidGÇ¥ position with no abilities is most of the time looked over by other members and this causes many arguments within a Corp. This brings the last point. Why is there a lack of Communication from leadership? Because No other Communication tools are in place.We have been given Corp forums here on dust514.com (If you didnGÇÖt know then go here) but not all our members go look at forums on a daily bases. So we need Corp mail and bulletins in place. Otherwise Tommy does not know that Jimmy was promoted and so Tommy tell Jimmy to **** himself when heGÇÖs told to take Alpha. This falls on Tommy for not reading the forums and so he blames his leadership for not telling him to listen to Jimmy in the first place. We as Corp Leaders are being blamed by our members that we are not doing our jobs because we are trying to Play the MMO part of DUST but are only given pure FPS Mechanics. This is all you can do in DUST:
Pub Match and grind SP & ISK
Play a Corp Match and do a coin flip for ISK
You really donGÇÖt need leadership to tell you to do these things, but we are all in corps for what is to come and it seems we are becoming board with the facts that it is not here. I Know CCP your working on it, but we need it fast. But hey, maybe itGÇÖs CCP plan to get us all pissed or starved so we start to eat one another. What greater conflict driver then that? Soooo you're trying to blame CCP on the fact that you have a sinking ship
I love being right.
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Mr Zitro
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
417
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Posted - 2013.02.08 07:54:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Now on to you, I haven't seen you play but based off your posts you seem really silly, especially your standards on who is good or not. I've got you a few times in closed beta with my Codewish maybe like 2-20 against you. So yeah overall you kicked the **** out of me in quite a few matches. Kinda of instant death if you saw me with your Codewish. I never claimed to be an elite level player so I don't really take offense to you saying I'm not that good. I also stick to pub matches so my sense of player skill is admittedly not great. Unlike you I don't claim to know the skill level of every Zion player. I never said you were good or bad, I said your standards on who is good and who is bad is way off. I don't claim to know every kid in Zion but I do know their top(old) players when we did corp battles. You don't bring average players against us so I know all the top players left. Now do basic math. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
269
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:01:00 -
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My standards are based on what I see in pub matches. So naturally not all players take them seriously it's hard to get a true grasp on player ability. I've seen imps go negative in K/D. I've gone 4-0 against an Imp in 1v1 firefight in a game. I didn't think you would be so offended by me suggesting that some Zion players can also perform just as well as you guys in public matches I've watched. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
437
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:25:00 -
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Why no one want to join my mining corp?
I even have made really cool badges and sigs to show your rank. I read somewhere this is what all the successful corps do, so that means we will be successful.
The corp jabber server updates everyone on the state of the belts, and is mandatory to check before logging in. Imagine if you end up suicide-ganked because you didn't check the motd.
Me and my 10 alt accounts haven't burned out yet. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1039
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:39:00 -
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I am sorry to hear about the failure of your voting block shad. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
757
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:50:00 -
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There are some good points raised in some of the posts in this thread. I'll pass on the word that better communications tools are requested.
As for the things to do, we're still a ways away from release and despite this being Open Beta, we're not close to finished with the features we'll be delivering. |
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Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:01:00 -
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i believe game burn out is far more common. it's not a great experience running and gunning. laggy hit boxes. running into a heavy. it's like they want realism but they don't commit. the non 300 meter ARs are a testament to that along with the sneeze shot gun. you want realism do this if not than go with this trying to cater to both is not going to end well. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
131
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:02:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:There are some good points raised in some of the posts in this thread. I'll pass on the word that better communications tools are requested.
As for the things to do, we're still a ways away from release and despite this being Open Beta, we're not close to finished with the features we'll be delivering.
I don't suppose you can give us any idea of when the next major content update will be coming? It's been a month and a half since the last build (the usual interval between builds in the past 8 months or so), which was mainly for stability and balancing stuff, and didn't provide a whole lot of new content. Plus, the closest build before this (Chromosome) was 2 months prior to that, so really it's been 3 and a half months without any major content additions.
I really don't want to wait until Fanfest to see some new stuff. |
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:07:00 -
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Quote:Agreed Sgt.Kirk. The grind is already becoming tedious.
It's only a grind if you don't like doing it, so the question is if you don't like killing people what are you doing here? Regardless of if its on a new map, new mode or whatever they add, in the end its all just run & gun or in your case teamwork.
Witch is something i don't need, though i gotta admit running solo can be punished by the crappy spawn system in ambush, where you get ambushed by 6+ people at spawn in :p
But then again i am not playing 24/7 and for now ill stick to running solo as i don't need most people doomsday thinking or morale drops because it gets "boring" and when i think ill need a squad then ill might look for a corp and for that it is better to wait and see after all ships have sunk who the good corps are. |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
334
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:38:00 -
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If e-peens had mass, this thread would implode, taking half the galaxy with it. |
Mr Zitro
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
417
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:43:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:If e-peens had mass, this thread would implode, taking half the galaxy with it. Everybody knows I have the dust e-peen record so go read my book! I tried to get a panoramic pic of my e-peen, doesn't fit |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
165
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:28:00 -
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I respect your perspective here, op. However, the biggest thing to earn in New Eden is, IMHO, a name for yourself. In a staying universe your worth is what your name is worth.
A grunt in a large corp becomes an excellent grunt when he achieves a name that is trusted and depended upon.
A spy achieves what he wants when his name rings no alarm bells.
A man without name achieves what his purpose is, when many try a shot at him, despite him being as fast as Clint Eastwood.
A leader achieves his purpose when his name energizes his followers.
Isk has little impact, as long as your purpose is not to have a serious truckload of it to your name.
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trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
165
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:30:00 -
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Alternatively, internet space mercs is just for fun :) |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:44:00 -
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If this thread has shown anything is people like watching big things fall and awww aww let sodapop into impswarm apprenty we just let anybody in these days. :-) |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
71
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:28:00 -
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++1 to everything Zion said.
To have only 2 roles available, God and slightly lesser God was a little lacking in hindsight.
It not that I don't trust anyone that we have in DUST University already but I only need someone to accept applications plus the ability to send a corp mail from either Dust or Eve. And not have it show up as a missing mail with a red dot on everyone's PS 3.
The corp forums are going to be help in the short term but I would say that the Corp UI improvements have gone from nice to have to an absolute requirement. Waiting for the next build without an ETA is frustrating to say the least.
With 300+ members this went to hot fix territory quite a while ago.
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steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:32:00 -
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However this is not something that can be done with a hotfix as it would require a binary deployment that would need to thought Sony qa process and at that point u might as well shove it into the next build |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:25:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:If e-peens had mass, this thread would implode, taking half the galaxy with it. +1. Very true. It kinda makes a merc worry....I can feel the tensor in the air. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:34:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Why no one want to join my mining corp?
I even have made really cool badges and sigs to show your rank. I read somewhere this is what all the successful corps do, so that means we will be successful.
The corp jabber server updates everyone on the state of the belts, and is mandatory to check before logging in. Imagine if you end up suicide-ganked because you didn't check the motd.
Me and my 10 alt accounts haven't burned out yet. =) +1 Covert mining corps can win wars. |
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
71
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:36:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:However this is not something that can be done with a hotfix as it would require a binary deployment that would need to thought Sony qa process and at that point u might as well shove it into the next build
Fair enough, I'm not an expert.
I've been sending mails via the eve client and copy and paste, so there are work arounds.
The return of Corp specific forums here will be a big help but still... a Merc visible MOTD in the corp chat channel would be a huge help.
I'm trying to build a community and a sense of being with friends in our corp. K/D ratios are a secondary concern. They can't see it in Dust but all our mercs have a title of rank based on how often their online. If they play eve they'll see it if they search for their Dust bunnie. I try to sent a bulletin mail once a week to our members and spend about an hour a day answering questions and setting up corp contracts.
There's work being done to integrate our members on the EVE University forums as well. But some better tools would be good CCP. |
Erehwon Rorsch4ch
Air Red Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:36:00 -
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The thing is though if you don't like the grind as some have put it, then take a break. You'll still gain your passive SP and it will be there to spend when you get back.
Wait till full release, it sounds like a lot of people took it on to serious expecting something of a full release when it is clearly BETA still. Best advice would be taking the break and not ruining the game for yourselves with over expectation of whats currently available.
I myself have just started to recruit guys for our corp and in terms of communication we've had no trouble with people hoping on skype, it works a charm. Oh and one of our newer members (who is some what awesome) said he didn't have a pc/laptop available but he didn't think to get skype on his Android/I-phone which does the job perfectly.
Until better coms are in place just work around it, if people want to play and organise and are willing to put effort in to sorting things out as simple as skype, then they're definitely worth having in corp. |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
78
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:50:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:There are some good points raised in some of the posts in this thread. I'll pass on the word that better communications tools are requested.
As for the things to do, we're still a ways away from release and despite this being Open Beta, we're not close to finished with the features we'll be delivering.
Wonderful! Can one of those better communication tools and features be Proximity Chat?
It's important. JUST SAYIN'... |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
653
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:54:00 -
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Zion Shad,
The content of this thread has merit. Everyone knows 3 roles in a corporation won't work, we've stated this before about better tools for corp. management. More attention should be brought to this issue.
But I swear... You have the worst timing.
First it was the whole DUST OB thing, then during that you announce your candidacy for CSM, really? Fast foward a few days and you kick one of your more charismatic members and then come and make this post a few hours later.
Next time you decide to make a post, look in the mirror and say, "Who have I offended or what have I done lately that can be used against me if I post this?"
Hardly any other groups have had issues because of the corporation model that is out now, don't put a majority of the blame on CCP because you don't know how to lead.
There are a lot of traits that go into being a leader and I'm still trying to find one or two of those in you.
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2013.02.08 14:06:00 -
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There's a lot of posturing going on here.
All DUST CEOs and leaders should keep in mind that we haven't even come in contact with EVE yet. Most of you have no friggin' idea what level of conflict is incoming and i'm willing to predict that 80% of the corps in existence right now who decide to enter nullsec will get ripped apart by internal stresses in very short order. After this a new kind of FPS 'clan' will emerge that will have evolved to exist and prosper in New Eden. This new type of 'clan' has not existed in any FPS prior to this point, and it will be a far more intelligent, ruthless and savage beast than anything that exists now.
Best policy right now for CEOs and players is patience and preparation. We don't even know what the game looks like yet. |
Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2013.02.08 14:27:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:BattleCry1791 wrote:
My advice? Put mercs before ISK. It works out better in the long run. Bottom line is this: Mercs can make money anywhere, the question that as to be answered, is why would they want to make it with you?
You have hit my point and dont even know it LOL. And in those two years you had people come and people go. It happens. This post is a "Hang in there" Post. Look Betamax went through somthing with leadership and out popped Imperfects. They bounced back and are still together. PRO has had a few member hop out and leave to join us. Onslaught which is part of your ROFL had members leave and removed because they didnGÇÖt like the way Virgin Destroyer was leading them (Sorry enjin since that Corp mail to every VIP you have) the list goes on.
obviously theres something going on because ive had a guy in my local for 2 solid days cry "Zion is a SCAM" and rant to local about the corp and those you all are friendly with.
a helpful tip, if the tools are not there restructure the way things are done, come up with in-house contest and game senarios(tourneys etc), rally the troops on certain days to play with each other, invest in 3rd party communications, etc etc. mold the game the way you see fit that keeps the peons happy and informed. most of the ppl who jump ship are either just here for a free game or just ill-informed about the game so those ppl will come and go in every corp.
sometimes when things stagnate its always good to invite some change to keep things new.
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steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2013.02.08 14:33:00 -
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Protect the blue dot is a fun one to make pub matches intresting |
Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2013.02.08 14:35:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Orin the Freak wrote:If e-peens had mass, this thread would implode, taking half the galaxy with it. Everybody knows I have the dust e-peen record so go read my book! I tried to get a panoramic pic of my e-peen, doesn't fit
i tend do disagree, i think proto has you beat there, your like the lesser of 2 evils though your character is more genuine and proto reeks tryhard and a dash of attention *****. :) |
KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2013.02.08 14:46:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:
You guys have universal skill, but like I said you are a closed community. You vet all your players to ensure they are up to your standards before you make them an Imperfect. You also use a feeder corp to ensure you can train players not up to your standards before you let them take on the official Imp tags. Comparing yourself to an anyone is more or less welcome corp is kind of silly.
Thats funny coming from someone in ROFL, nothing but PFBHz second string.
Good luck getting to the big leagues. |
ShutUr Mouth
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.02.08 14:50:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:Zion Shad,
The content of this thread has merit. Everyone knows 3 roles in a corporation won't work, we've stated this before about better tools for corp. management. More attention should be brought to this issue.
But I swear... You have the worst timing.
First it was the whole DUST OB thing, then during that you announce your candidacy for CSM, really? Fast foward a few days and you kick one of your more charismatic members and then come and make this post a few hours later.
Next time you decide to make a post, look in the mirror and say, "Who have I offended or what have I done lately that can be used against me if I post this?"
Hardly any other groups have had issues because of the corporation model that is out now, don't put a majority of the blame on CCP because you don't know how to lead.
There are a lot of traits that go into being a leader and I'm still trying to find one or two of those in you.
You should have left it at the top part Troll. I don't care who wrote this, its a damn good post. |
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