I don't remember this but okay. could you tell me who i was squaded with? Just so I know your not making this up.

I do work from home and have to step away from the ps3 plenty during the day. This leaves me afk mcc or on the ground(waiting to be a free kill)

I am curious to the cause of your obsession over IMPs deadeye? You should really find something else to do with your spare time then trying to weak troll

You leave out the 2/3 of that post where I talk about how good the Imps are and how that they are doing is the key to success, taking my post out of context? Then there is KryptixX and Zitro insulting me even though I was really civil in this thread. I guess you can see what you want to, or maybe you didn't read the whole thing which I wouldn't blame you for. I'm not painting a target, but I don't just roll over when people give me **** either. That statement you quoted was in response to Zitro going after me because I said I've seen Zion do just as well as Imperfects in pub matches on occasion. (and I've seen Zion do poorly as well as I've stated)

Nice post Shad, and I'm glad a Dev responded to not only that but the general fact that good ideas have been presented in this thread. I think it was rather silly for people to throw out the assumption that ZionTCD is a sinking ship based on the post when it is far from that, but I wasn't surprised to see it happen, this is a gaming forum after all.

Shad simply took an opportunity to express a concern about the game and how a lack of features, that are believed to be coming, are highly needed and would be extremely useful. To say those additional powers and positions being made available in-game aren't needed to aid in properly running a corporation is silly. While it is absolutely possible run a Corporation without them, it is easier to do it when you have more tools in place, especially when having those extra abilities would make the job easier.

I seriously laughed out loud when I saw SoTa's first reply suggesting the post was about him. SoTa is playing this victim card like he was kicked for merely asking questions and trolling fellow members. The fact remains that he was kicked because after being advised to stop trolling those members, as it was a rule violation clearly shown on the ZionTCD site, he continued to do so and argued in defense of it. I couple that with how outspoken he was against the Imperfects and then joining a division of them as a true sign of his colors. It is what it is. The only problem I have SoTa is that while you were right in your post that communication was an issue you simply tossed out blame, complained, but never offered any real assistance or form of solutions.

While I don't know any of the Imperfects at all, and have only played against a few of you, I would be cautious in your statements about your ability to keep people in line:

Post #9


SoTa has already said he has no problem airing out his problems in public chat and he either had the intention of leaving ZionTCD from the start in order to create drama, or he is just being himself. In either case, before you say its a leadership failure in regards to keeping people in line note this:

Post #50


For the record, my response to Zitro's Post #16


Careful who you sleep with pal. Refer to Post #50.

With all that being said SoTa had a valid point in regards to communication. In Shad's defense ZionTCD is a pretty large corporation and it is very possible it blew up faster then he expected it would and as such he got stretched thin. I don't know Shad personally, nor have I had the opportunity to discuss any of that with him so it could be an off base observation, doesn't matter. Shad clearly has passion for running a team, passion for this game, and is clearly dedicated which is evident by the amount of time and energy he puts into all of it. If the fault in all of that is that he wasn't trusting enough to share responsibility with people he didn't know in order to better facilitate communication and the effectiveness of his team then thats a minor issue that can easily be fixed and I'm sure it will.

In SoTa's defense you are passionate man, but maybe directing that energy a bit wrong. Then again you may, as you have stated, just enjoy forum drama and or being involved in general trolling against people who also partake in it. To each his own and the best of luck to you.

To the Imperfects... well your imperfect, no pun intended :) But no seriously, I offer no criticism of your Corporation by my posts above as I don't know anything about it, just merely a rebuttal to your rather pointless attempts to blast another corporation for no apparent reason than in an apparent attempt to discredit them in a public venue, in which case, welcome to New Eden.

In regards to ZionTCD I'd encourage everyone to continue to try-out, be involved, and work toward a common goal of creating a corporation that you personally would love to be involved in. As Shad said in a previous post:



Best of luck to everyone involved in this game and community.

Just so's ya knows. I saw Free Beers on my team go 0/2 yesterday in a pub ambush that our team lost on. He came in like 13th place, I'd thought he'd dropped at first when I checked the board. Either his little sister (/daughter/wife/I don't know the guy, don't ask me) was playing on his profile and getting owned, or he had a really bad match. Either way, I would HOPE there are more important things to the Imps than K/D.

Have at me Free Beers!

Nice post Shad, and I'm glad a Dev responded to not only that but the general fact that good ideas have been presented in this thread. I think it was rather silly for people to throw out the assumption that ZionTCD is a sinking ship based on the post when it is far from that, but I wasn't surprised to see it happen, this is a gaming forum after all.

Shad simply took an opportunity to express a concern about the game and how a lack of features, that are believed to be coming, are highly needed and would be extremely useful. To say those additional powers and positions being made available in-game aren't needed to aid in properly running a corporation is silly. While it is absolutely possible run a Corporation without them, it is easier to do it when you have more tools in place, especially when having those extra abilities would make the job easier.

I seriously laughed out loud when I saw SoTa's first reply suggesting the post was about him. SoTa is playing this victim card like he was kicked for merely asking questions and trolling fellow members. The fact remains that he was kicked because after being advised to stop trolling those members, as it was a rule violation clearly shown on the ZionTCD site, he continued to do so and argued in defense of it. I couple that with how outspoken he was against the Imperfects and then joining a division of them as a true sign of his colors. It is what it is. The only problem I have SoTa is that while you were right in your post that communication was an issue you simply tossed out blame, complained, but never offered any real assistance or form of solutions.

While I don't know any of the Imperfects at all, and have only played against a few of you, I would be cautious in your statements about your ability to keep people in line:

Post #9


SoTa has already said he has no problem airing out his problems in public chat and he either had the intention of leaving ZionTCD from the start in order to create drama, or he is just being himself. In either case, before you say its a leadership failure in regards to keeping people in line note this:

Post #50


For the record, my response to Zitro's Post #16


Careful who you sleep with pal. Refer to Post #50.

With all that being said SoTa had a valid point in regards to communication. In Shad's defense ZionTCD is a pretty large corporation and it is very possible it blew up faster then he expected it would and as such he got stretched thin. I don't know Shad personally, nor have I had the opportunity to discuss any of that with him so it could be an off base observation, doesn't matter. Shad clearly has passion for running a team, passion for this game, and is clearly dedicated which is evident by the amount of time and energy he puts into all of it. If the fault in all of that is that he wasn't trusting enough to share responsibility with people he didn't know in order to better facilitate communication and the effectiveness of his team then thats a minor issue that can easily be fixed and I'm sure it will.

In SoTa's defense you are passionate man, but maybe directing that energy a bit wrong. Then again you may, as you have stated, just enjoy forum drama and or being involved in general trolling against people who also partake in it. To each his own and the best of luck to you.

To the Imperfects... well your imperfect, no pun intended :) But no seriously, I offer no criticism of your Corporation by my posts above as I don't know anything about it, just merely a rebuttal to your rather pointless attempts to blast another corporation for no apparent reason than in an apparent attempt to discredit them in a public venue, in which case, welcome to New Eden.

In regards to ZionTCD I'd encourage everyone to continue to try-out, be involved, and work toward a common goal of creating a corporation that you personally would love to be involved in. As Shad said in a previous post:



Best of luck to everyone involved in this game and community.

Howdy Sgt Kirk,

The post wasn't about how or why Sota was kicked, doesnt concern me in the slightest. Different corp, different rules.

My post was about how your leader seems to pick the WORST times to actually say something to the community, and how he wants CCP to shoulder a part of the blame for Zion's problems. (corp named after yourself, bad idea no.1)

Would being able to assign more positions in a corp help out? In the short term yes, but you can't modify or tweak a persons leadership ability like you can in game mechanics.

I feel for you guys in Zion just like I feel for the guys in STB. Leaders make or break corporations, guess which one is happening to you right now?

Imps will not seem to be a "sinking ship" as long as they are number one.

Not sure if it was a stunt (but it really didn't seem like it), one of the Imperfect members had an argument with Mr. Zitro, publicly, on this forum. He also mentioned that a lot of people weren't happy with something but he was the only one willing to voice his opinion.

So, my point of all of this is that the only thing that may be retaining Imperfect members is the fact that the Imps are so popular and are considered to be the best in the Dust at the moment. It may have nothing to do with Imp leadership. So, when you say, "I feel for you guys in Zion just like I feel for the guys in STB......", it made me feel like you're implying that civil unrest would not happen in the Imperfects because of your leadership when it was brought out here on the forums.

Edit: just an outsider's opinion looking in. But then, so are most of our opinions of other corp's inner dealings

That read in a way that ZionShad would write, an alt perhaps?

You bring up good points Dubbs. From looking inside the Imperfects to the outside at other corps. I see differences. Some players want notoriety, power, isk or just to win. Different driving factors for different people.

Every corp. has these type of members in them. The bond that usually holds them together is how well they get along. In my corp. we have our differences and we usually air them out IN HOUSE, not on the forums.

Funny thing about our corp is we all come from different gaming backgrounds and competition levels (not unlike other corps), but when we all first combined into Voltron we got along great.

We give each other shi t all the time, we rag on each others peculiarilties, race, loved ones and KNOW it's not meant personally but as a means to further friendship and communication.

I get trolled 1000x more in my own corp. than I do here on the forums... and I love it. My RL friends do the same thing, if I DIDNT get messed with in corp. then I'd know I was in the wrong one.

And that's the thing....corps like STB have been around before Dust. They have been playing with each other for a number of years and they are still here. They may gain or lose players but their core players will be around. And that's because they've enjoyed gaming with each other.

I believe that corps like STB and Zion has built has established that bond amongst their members so they wouldn't fall so easily.

Still here is debatable, that's like saying a person on life support is still in this world. It counts I guess but is a giant with no arms or legs still a giant?

Then there is KryptixX and Zitro insulting me even though I was really civil in this thread.