When you start working with a logi armor becomes very important. Shields have a delay before they start recharging, with a good logi your armor will constantly recover. Also there are modules that repair armor, and you can get up to 5 per second. Stack two of those and it's 10 per second. Now do that with a logi who is heading around 32 per second.

Shields are more of the lone wolf/sneaky HP type, armor is more of the group in your face frontline HP type. I guarantee you it doesn't matter how good you shields are, a squad of armor users will beat out a squad of shield users nearly every time.

Look, my main may be a heavy but my alt is a logi, I don't need a lecture on the advantages/disadvantages of the logi suit. Also, your math is wrong....

In order to get to the 4 HP/s reppers, you have to hit level 5 Armor Repair. Each level adds 3% to the amount of HP/s repped.
(4*2) + (.03*5) = 8.15 HP/s. And according to one thread on here, the 3% increase may be broken right now.

Also, I reject your notion that armor tankers can take shield tankers. I reject it based on the fact that That I have yet to see it happen. In relation to heavies....

I armor tanked my heavy....run 812 HP in armor and 100 for shields. Totals 912 HP. My Type II suit runs 320 shields and 512 armor...832 total points.

However, I find I do WAY better with the fewer hp suit because of the extra shields over armor (and the shields). You can do more in extended fights and survive longer.

Again, shields uber alles.

Only part of my math that my be off is that there is no .03 increase to repair tools, and I was calculating using the maximum potential. So that is using the highest repair module twice, 5*2*1.03^5 = 11.59 + 44 from the highest repair tool = 55.59 HP/sec.

My buddy goes armored heavy while I use an advanced repair tool and we rarely die, other heavies have stood no chance from all my experience although I have no clue what type of modules they are using.

I armor tanked my heavy....run 812 HP in armor and 100 for shields. Totals 912 HP. My Type II suit runs 320 shields and 512 armor...832 total points.

However, I find I do WAY better with the fewer hp suit because of the extra shields over armor (and the shields). You can do more in extended fights and survive longer.

With the right gear, and situation, armor reps can be higher than incoming dps its and at this point armor really shines

Wow, I so wish I lived in this perfect world you live in. Where grenades and mass drivers don't take out your logi support (because you always have logi support) and where the opposing team hasn't called out your location and the next thing you know you're swarmed by no less than 4 guys from two different directions and you get three of them near dead until they slink around a corner and the fourth guy kills you.

How in the WORLD does armor, which self repairs at less than 10HP a second, over come someone with damage mods and is dealing over 30 HP worth of damage per round?

nope, not buying it. Armor does not beat shields due to the speed and natural regen factor.

On one of my assault alts, I went from the Type III back to the Type II and was amazed at the difference in the results.

This game is about shields, period.

How is 512 armor less then 320 shields ? Also how do you fit an extra 412 armor on an assault suit with 2 low slots, sure you can get up to 412 total armor but not 512. (typo?) besides what use is an assault suit thats rigged for speed gonna do with -20 speed ?

And if eventually everyone runs a Logi with 4 plates, they are gonna be slower speed as a heavy, except easier to kill.

I run my assault II with top shield extenders because its a suit meant to be shield tanked and 120 armor or so, once someone gets trough those shields, you die really fast.

But in relation to EVE, Shield tanking trumps Armor tanking armor tanks are just better at being buffer tanks that are remote repped to take large amounts of punishments, same here actually. Also those big Armor plates on ships make them fat and slow, same here....so it makes sense.

Solo > Shield Tank
Group > Armor Tank

I armor tanked my heavy....run 812 HP in armor and 100 for shields. Totals 912 HP. My Type II suit runs 320 shields and 512 armor...832 total points.

That's a Type II HEAVY suit. not assault.
And what idiot would tun 4 plates on a Logi proto instead of running armor reppers, a shield mod, and then maybe a plate...and where did I intimate that I thought anyone would?
Based on your lacklaster previous two points I can't take your eve .02 ISK into consideration.

Thanks for posting there, superchampion.

The speed of running shields is why shields are so good. It's harder to hit a fast target than say a slower one with lots of health. I can pound round after round into an armor heavy because of how easy they are to shoot at, but shield heavies tend to be quicker and harder to hit.

Same thing with assaults.

Also, complex shield mods aren't really that great when you consider the bonus from shield control. Having an extra 10% is like having a free shield extender (assuming you have more than 200 shield in the first place).

Getting to at least 15 or 20% increase in shield is necessary before you even consider putting skill points into shield enhancements.

As I pointed out a couple posts up, you can get armor repairs going at 55.5 HP/s (with just one guy repairing) which is can definitely be more than incoming damage in a lot of situations..