So the point of this thread is to say shield is OP?

I remember a time when I was pretty jazzed to play this game because it looked like it was going to present an FPS with more choices for character customization than ever before.

Currently, that impression, and any hope of seeing something like that, is beyond dead.

Every single guy I know that can pub stomp/kill well all have two things in common. Natural Skill and shields to 11.
The Skill part is just them.

The Shield part however, is all CCP. In this game, if you want to run assault, the hot trick it to actually choose the Arbiter as your starting fit, than choosing the Enforcer, which is the actual Assault starter fit, just to get the headstart on the shields.
Everyone I know that goes for a "tanked" AR build goes straight for Complex Shield extenders and then drop suits to hold more complex shield extenders.

There are players that spec for glass cannon, ie damage mods, but against 2 tanked ARs or a Heavy, they usually end up on the losing side. However, one tanked AR vs two lesser tanked ARs or a Heavy can absolutely win.

The suit that all my guys are wearing right now is the Type II Assault suit....why? ...MOAR Shields. Right now, I'm using the Type II Heavy suit for the exact same reason...over the Type III....it's Type III, why is it not better than the type II, even running twin Tier III reppers?

And it makes sense. Shields regen naturally, armor doesn't. Additional Shields don't slow you down, armor does. You get more Hi slots than low as you progress through the suits. Speaking of which, several players have remarked that the Level 5 Logi suit may be the best in the game....why?.....four complex shield extenders or combo'd with shield regen mods.

Now, granted, it costs more SP to get to those shield extenders, but it's not unattainable by any means and you can get to enhanced extenders just by specing right at the outset of your build.

My biggest gripe here is that I thought Dust was supposed to be different than CoD and BF3 in it's "meta" game. But in reality, it's very much the same. You have to go for shields. Shields trump everything. Armor tanking isn't even an option for ground troops.

I thought that in EvE there were advantages/disadvantages for shield tanking vs armor tanking (I never got too into EvE past PVE missions and mining)....there appears to be ZERO incentive in this game to armor tank, which means that it's just a much more complex CoD/BF3, but at the end of the day, it's the same game in the aspect that there are few options for players to choose if they really want to compete.

Aside from more flux nade users, i've always said CCP should allow us to self repair if we're carrying a rep kit AND make armor twice as resistant to lasers as it is now. This would offset the heat build up lasers have without having to nerf lasers. This would give an additional reason to armor tank.

You really wasted your time writing this. Just use flux grenades

and you wasted everyone's time by posting without reading.....

His issue isn't with shields being OP....he simply feels as if armor tanking isn't a valid option at present.

Flux grenade > Shields
Laser rifle > Shields

Laser Rifle > Armor

shields are better, and always have been better.

i maintain that armor plates should not have movement penalties. it's the cherry on the "why bother armor tanking" sundae. they are the only module with their own built in NEGATIVE.

every module already has the downside of NOT being some other module. it ate up a slot and PG/CPU you could have spent somewhere else?

and don't anybody try to say "armor is heavy so you HAVE to move slower" we don't HAVE to do ****, this is a videogame. all CCP has to do is change the description to read "by swapping in improved materials, this module enhances dropsuit armor without increasing weight" or they use up powergrid and cpu right? how bout the module "adds an additional layer of armor while rerouting power to the suits joints, maintaining mobility"



if they didn't have mobility penalties, then you could make the "with support vs without support" argument, but even then it's a tough pill to swallow. i'd rather the logi guy just shoot the people shooting me since my shields can just take care of themselves.

and you wasted everyone's time by posting without reading.....

His issue isn't with shields being OP....he simply feels as if armor tanking isn't a valid option at present.

In EVE (oh boy here we go again) fitting shield extenders to your ship will increase the "signature radius" of the ship, basically making it easier for other ships to land a successful hit on it. It also makes it easier to target.

Maybe shield extenders in Dust should increase your suit's signature profile so you appear on the map easily

and also inflate your hitboxes a little bit

And that really was the point of the thread. That this game is rather generic, but complexly so. It's really not different from CoD or BF3 because everyone's running the same gear/spec/fit for the most part.

I will stick with my so called weak shield tanking. If i wanted to walk as slow as a member of the walking dead, i will slap some armor on. Everything i am hearing is 1 vs 1. why not talk about the benifits of running self sufficent shield tank squads that need no logi member.