It really amazes me how many heavies keep saying they are fine. Nobody wants there things nerf, and I don't think suits need to be nerfed but their range needs to. But Zitro I spent sp in sharpshooter! And the AR vets didn't and you cried about range. So either they buff AR by 15-20% or hmg gets there range nerfed by 15-20% but i would take the nerf because the maps . At the current state hmg range is a joke, a bad one at that. 50m out and still dishing out decent damage is good for a heavy? But Zitro try a heavy it's harder than it looks! I have an alt with a hmg with no sharpshooter and it shoots too far. Just because a class has weaknesses doesn't means its balanced, just because your sharpshooter and other stats cost more doesn't make it balanced, and just cause your suit cost more doesn't mean it's balanced. But Zitro you gave a lot of reasons that heavies should be left alone! Shield tanks have very few drawbacks, one is of them being the cost of mods but does that make them balanced? Something costing more doesn't equal balanced. But Zitro heavies can only use hmgs and they need to be scary! And my tank should take be a win button, so stop with this stupid talk. Heavies dominate at CQC and they are very scary. But Zitro you should have to use tactics to kill heavies(infantry tanks)! How about real tanks? What about killing anything in this game? The fact is half the heavies don't play their class right and with the range as is it is right now is one reason half of the heavies can even get kills.
Now as for a heavy suit getting its slots rearranged I'm all for(maybe even adding an extra slot) but it needs to come with a hmg range nerf.

Call me a newberry.

But isn't saying "Just run away and find allies then kill that one guy?" a little idiotic? If it takes around 5guys to kill one guy then what if the whole team is running heavies?

You obviously weren't around for the whole invincible tank era. That was the battle cry then too tanks were impossible to kill with less than 5-6 people and even then it was a horrific Loss of life for those who dared take on a missile tank.

If it takes more than two guys to take out a heavy, you are seriously a lousy 2 players.
And that last statement is directed everyone who complains about heavies.

Seems like the best way to kill a heavy is simply having a GEK and maybe one extra person. Also getting a Heavy in the open.

I have never requested a nerf to any of the weapons that are my nemesis, I do my best to learn how to deal with them and work within the limits of my class. Leave my suit, my HMG, and my forge gun the f*** alone. In fact, the way the armor rating levels out on our suits is stupid. It should be higher as we go up in levels. I should be a walking tank with proto gear.

ok....how bout, its wieght is so great that is cancels out any recoil?

[quote=General Tiberius1][quote=Rei Shepard]

If their guns use a database, witch they do, its just adding a number to the recoil of the weapons, i find it hard to think they did not have 5 mins of time to add some basic recoil in the past betas.

Right now its fires like a water hose without any pressure behind it and i can easely go trough 5 people at the same time with it at up to short to medium range, and that was in full militia gear. (Once you use KB & Mouse you dont turn slow with it, so thats a moot point).



Or maybe due to the spinning of the berrels it disperses Kick in all directions and possibly has a counter weight that spins in the oppisite ddirection to to Cancel out any kick that may be pulling the user down and to the right?

Just my guess I really dont know that much about physics.

OP I just want you to know I have no problem sacrificing myself by headshotting you people straight on with my tactical assault, knowing that they guy coming behind me will take you out with ease

The thread should have been over right here. Stop abusing your crutch scrubs.

How to kill a scout player: Point and shoot. If you can find them and actually keep them in your sights long enough to pull the trigger. Which you WON'T in most cases if they're good at their job. So first off, hunt them down, which is a MAJOR problem when they can see you coming from further away AND can't be seen coming as easily. Then you have to actually line them up, which is again more difficult than it sounds if they're doing their job competently.
How to kill an assault player: Point and Shoot. And hope the weapon they brought isn't better for the range you're at, because Assaults are effective with every non-Heavy weapon in the game, and while not as tough as Heavies, can often still take a decent beating before going down.
How to kill a triage: Point and shoot. And make sure you kill them first - good luck knowing who the Triage guy is when he's in an Assault or Scout suit instead of a Logi suit. And when you see a Logi and assume he's Triage, good luck against the guy who's laced the area with Nanohives and can grenade-spam you to death with near-infinite ammo even though there's no Supply Depot anywhere on the map. Or the one who's set up an Uplink so he has constant reinforcements appearing on his position, and also providing Nanohives to have his whole team permanently stocked with near-infinite ammo. Or brought REs and lined the surrounding area with them so when you're moving into a position to threaten him, he sets them off and you go flying.

Your "how to kill a heavy" example doesn't look so out of place when you consider the REAL advantages of the other options.

EDIT:

How to kill a Heavy: Shotgun. Approach from behind. Usually they die before they finish turning.

due to the fact that people keep tossing flux grenades at me, this vet will NOT be switching to the type II anytime soon

Heavies are supposed to be a anti-vehicle support class. They should serve as a distraction and be there to counter LAVS, HAVs, and dropships. They should be used to protect groups by absorbing bullets for the team.

Currently everyone uses them as a 1-man-army. They are nothing more then a beefed up assault player on steroids right now. They do not have a unique role on field and add absolutely no depth to the game.

I would like to know what people are using and what they have spent their skills into who are complaining about heavy's and their HMG. Most of my kills have been against milita users, and the players that i have trouble with are the vets of the closed beta, who actually know what to skill into and how to take down a heavy.

There has been no major changes to heavy's over the last couple of builds, they've remained the same and no one complained before. But now we have scrubs who stand still and run towards me, who have prob spent their skills into worthless crap and run around in basic gear and expect to be godly. Once people start to get better gear things will level out.

Games played against random newberries il go 20/0, games against people who know what they're doing and il be lucky to go positive.

I would like to know what people are using and what they have spent their skills into who are complaining about heavy's and their HMG. Most of my kills have been against milita users, and the players that i have trouble with are the vets of the closed beta, who actually know what to skill into and how to take down a heavy.

There has been no major changes to heavy's over the last couple of builds, they've remained the same and no one complained before. But now we have scrubs who stand still and run towards me, who have prob spent their skills into worthless crap and run around in basic gear and expect to be godly. Once people start to get better gear things will level out.

Games played against random newberries il go 20/0, games against people who know what they're doing and il be lucky to go positive.

If their guns use a database, witch they do, its just adding a number to the recoil of the weapons, i find it hard to think they did not have 5 mins of time to add some basic recoil in the past betas.

Right now its fires like a water hose without any pressure behind it and i can easely go trough 5 people at the same time with it at up to short to medium range, and that was in full militia gear. (Once you use KB & Mouse you dont turn slow with it, so thats a moot point).

Heavy weapons like this are ussually support platforms to suppress the enemy or AV, but thats not the issue here, if it had recoil like it should have, it would not be pin-point accurate over pro-longed periods of fire. Right now its impossible to miss your target with this thing.

It does have recoil. The same as the AR, the HMG has muzzle climb that if left unattended pulls up and over the target. If the gun was in a pintle mount this muzzle lift would be non existent, and although the heavy suit was designed to be a mobile heavy weapons mount, a little lift can be suffered.The gyroscopic stabilisation that's caused by the barrel group spinning more than 33 times a second with a counter rotational weighted disc spinning the same, causes it to be a very stable and accurate gun over LONG bursts.

It's about time people get familiar with real life physics and New Eden lore. If ye keep hitting yer heads on a wall, headaches will continue until ye notice the possibility of walking around it. As has been stated many times already, heavies are not gods, but the people running straight at them sure like to make them look that way. No nerf is needed. Don't hang around around in front of HMGs, and unless you're in definite hard cover, don't stop moving.

It does have recoil. The same as the AR, the HMG has muzzle climb that if left unattended pulls up and over the target. If the gun was in a pintle mount this muzzle lift would be non existent, and although the heavy suit was designed to be a mobile heavy weapons mount, a little lift can be suffered.The gyroscopic stabilisation that's caused by the barrel group spinning more than 33 times a second with a counter rotational weighted disc spinning the same, causes it to be a very stable and accurate gun over LONG bursts.

It's about time people get familiar with real life physics and New Eden lore. If ye keep hitting yer heads on a wall, headaches will continue until ye notice the possibility of walking around it. As has been stated many times already, heavies are not gods, but the people running straight at them sure like to make them look that way. No nerf is needed. Don't hang around around in front of HMGs, and unless you're in definite hard cover, don't stop moving.[/quote
+1 for an intelligent answer

A rare thing on this forum at times

...the people running straight at them sure like to make them look that way. No nerf is needed. Don't hang around around in front of HMGs, and unless you're in definite hard cover, don't stop moving.

i'd like to belive there are at least a FEW people interested in actually playing the game the way it's meant to be, not trying to change it into a CoD mimic