I made a info thread on how to deal with heavies 2 builds back. But it seems everyone forgot about it.

This is exactly the problem. There are only a few.

You forgot to include the long reload times, and how quickly you get owned if you're ever dumb enough to let your HMG overheat.

How to kill a scout player: Point and shoot
How to kill an assault player: Point and shoot
How to kill a triage: Point and shoot
How to kill a heavy: "Run away, keep your distance (even though HMGs have the range of assault rifles), make sure you have grenades on you to take down their armor, make sure you have friends to distract them because 1-on-1's are futile, 'Dust 514 is hardcore to the max yo use teamwork and strategy and you can take us down as long as you take the time and effort to put us in what would be considered an enormous disadvantage if we were playing as any other class we're not OP lol get good!'"

Do you see the problem here?

I have never requested a nerf to any of the weapons that are my nemesis, I do my best to learn how to deal with them and work within the limits of my class. Leave my suit, my HMG, and my forge gun the f*** alone. In fact, the way the armor rating levels out on our suits is stupid. It should be higher as we go up in levels. I should be a walking tank with proto gear.

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you got tactics in battlefield 3 but that basically ended up as "fire everything there"

A heavy suit doesn't give any player the ability to be a one man army. Do you know what it's called when you try to take a fortified position alone as a heavy? Respawn. Stupid also works. Even if CCP buffed the armor on advanced and proto suits, proto weapons would take away that advantage and level things out. With the way things are now, what do you think is going to happen when proto weapons hit the battlefield? Exactly. The armor on our suits will be like tin foil. We'll be lucky to bring 2 enemies down before we die. That's not good enough. A heavy is only an asset to the team if he can take out 3 or more enemies before he goes down.

- We are killing machines. If you're crying about it, then we're doing our job. Players won't be happy until heavies are just fat targets again with no bite. IMO, we're pretty damn close to that now if you know what the f*** you're doing.

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Listen i played a heavy since the first build, and the heavy has already been nerfed three times over already.

If you people wanba cry should have done that months ago. Lmao i get killed by assults all tje time and sniper's and heavys. But i run a standard heavy wich is cheap and efficient.
other than that i have no militia weapon, no standard bpo,
my proto has 3high slots and 2low slots, while you cry babies assault proto has 4and4.
Give me a break at proto you can have just as much armour and shields as a heavy so stop crying
And spend you sp wisely.

Thanks

Moreso on the reckless behaviour when us Logistic guys decide to stick behind you like a moving wall and keep your ass up while you obliterate everything ;]


The laser is the most effective weapon against a heavy in my opinion i play as a laser heavy and love seeing a heavy lumering across the field i smile. Lol

Pro tip: To those who rely on Toxin - if the heavy you see says STD for gear, he's probably a Type-II and he's probably going to laugh at your little version of his HMG. That gun really barely hurts shields so are virtually worthless against Type-II heavies. Better off just running. Can't tell you how many people pull out the Toxin thinking it means more to me then a mosquito bite.

It's always been my opinion the SMG should be the assaults HMG with variants to make it so or not. But without any SP into it it's pretty worthless against a heavy who knows how to spec. And I assume every vet heavy is running Type-II by now.

If you get fluxed your about to get rushed. Just ready a nade of your own and make them regret giving there obvious next move away.

the problem for me isn't a heavy.

it's when 75% of the enemy team is heavies. the only way to fix this is more AOE weapons, which I believe is on the drawingboard. Heavies are fine the way they are. it's just that people are tired of being cheap shotted by the truly OP sniper rifles.

Heavies need to be the threat bomb they are. they need that ability to say "either take the time to focus on me, or die to my 10,000 bullets". I like the dynamic they bring to the table. but overpopulation is becoming an issue.

Flux grenade first, then close in with the SMG

hell buff Heavies armour and nerf speed. Then it would take teamwork and tactics to kill them, and it would take teamwork and tactics for them to stay alive. Literally turn them into a mini-tank instead of a large assualt. They've been nerfed enough, put them in a specific role already.

I think the heavies fill their role really well. I use scout, assualt, and heavy suits. I use what is needed at the moment. The heavy is great for holding a position and defending with a squad helping with repairs, ammo, spotting, and backup. The heavy is easily overwhelmed though by a group effort. I have also taken down heavies alone with my assualt loadlout though. Use cover! your shields regen much faster than his armor. Never stop moving unless you are behind something and never run straight at them. Flank and strafe are the good ways to take a heavy down. Please no more nerfs.

a key argument here is cost...

it costs more SP to spec into heavy, it costs more ISK to equip a heavy.

A well rounded fit is no less than 60k ISK at this point of the build, approaching 100k... per SUIT

now most maps you get ballpark 200k ISK.. meaning a heavy dies 2-3 times.. they break even, and thats NOW, at this early stage.

early on.. yes Heavy is stronger than most other classes, but what these morons just don't get is that heavies are pretty much capped a month into the build, cant get a whole lot better.. very little incentive for proto over the advanced, while all other classes have huge advantages, and once they get their proto weapons the balance gets shifted... PLUS heavy STILL costs more.

whine some more about range will ya... heavy costs more SP to get sharpshooter than all other classes, so you're damn right it should get good damage at range when you put the work into it.

the worst part of it all.. I see way too many fools rollin around in a heavy right now, and most are oblivious. They think they are hot schit cause they can melt a militia suit, but i know when I face many of them, these heavies melts just as fast as other assaults...

everyone quit cryin and just play. In a month everyone will be bitching about mass drivers again when those get spammed everywhere.

Sure, but if your going to boost defences, reduce mobility. It has to be a trade-off.
I run Assault with an AR mostly and I've gone up against plenty of heavies. They're fun to try to take down because of their firepower and armour. I'm saying go with that, drop the speed a little more so Assaults and Scouts can dance around them while they lay down huge volumes of fire.

Heavy with squad support should function like a tank with squad support imo.

It really amazes me how many heavies keep saying they are fine. Nobody wants there things nerf, and I don't think suits need to be nerfed but their range needs to. But Zitro I spent sp in sharpshooter! And the AR vets didn't and you cried about range. So either they buff AR by 15-20% or hmg gets there range nerfed by 15-20% but i would take the nerf because the maps . At the current state hmg range is a joke, a bad one at that. 50m out and still dishing out decent damage is good for a heavy? But Zitro try a heavy it's harder than it looks! I have an alt with a hmg with no sharpshooter and it shoots too far. Just because a class has weaknesses doesn't means its balanced, just because your sharpshooter and other stats cost more doesn't make it balanced, and just cause your suit cost more doesn't mean it's balanced. But Zitro you gave a lot of reasons that heavies should be left alone! Shield tanks have very few drawbacks, one is of them being the cost of mods but does that make them balanced? Something costing more doesn't equal balanced. But Zitro heavies can only use hmgs and they need to be scary! And my tank should take be a win button, so stop with this stupid talk. Heavies dominate at CQC and they are very scary. But Zitro you should have to use tactics to kill heavies(infantry tanks)! How about real tanks? What about killing anything in this game? The fact is half the heavies don't play their class right and with the range as is it is right now is one reason half of the heavies can even get kills.
Now as for a heavy suit getting its slots rearranged I'm all for(maybe even adding an extra slot) but it needs to come with a hmg range nerf.

Well, the heavy suit is fine, its the no recoil HMG thats the concern...i mean it shoots in a complete straight line....the last time a Minigun had no recoil was Wolfenstein 3D 20 years ago, and no i dont see any special bracket or support keeping the gun perfectly still and straight ...

Though i dont have any issues with heavies, as i chew em up with my AR up close in front, always fun to see heavies thinking they can take on the Assault guy solo :)

i've been playing heavy for less than a week and i know that, sides everyone knows that a heavy is supposed to make everyone stare at you and forgot the assault guys standing next to you, which the range is rather useful for, if slightly too long IMO.

Can you explain to me that when i equip an Assault rifle on the heavy suit, scope in with it, i get recoil but i get none with a HMG?

Seems your logic doesn't apply to it being an exo suit...

If their guns use a database, witch they do, its just adding a number to the recoil of the weapons, i find it hard to think they did not have 5 mins of time to add some basic recoil in the past betas.

Right now its fires like a water hose without any pressure behind it and i can easely go trough 5 people at the same time with it at up to short to medium range, and that was in full militia gear. (Once you use KB & Mouse you dont turn slow with it, so thats a moot point).

Heavy weapons like this are ussually support platforms to suppress the enemy or AV, but thats not the issue here, if it had recoil like it should have, it would not be pin-point accurate over pro-longed periods of fire. Right now its impossible to miss your target with this thing.

Seems like the best way to kill a heavy is simply having a GEK and maybe one extra person. Also getting a Heavy in the open.

I have never requested a nerf to any of the weapons that are my nemesis, I do my best to learn how to deal with them and work within the limits of my class. Leave my suit, my HMG, and my forge gun the f*** alone. In fact, the way the armor rating levels out on our suits is stupid. It should be higher as we go up in levels. I should be a walking tank with proto gear.

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If their guns use a database, witch they do, its just adding a number to the recoil of the weapons, i find it hard to think they did not have 5 mins of time to add some basic recoil in the past betas.

Right now its fires like a water hose without any pressure behind it and i can easely go trough 5 people at the same time with it at up to short to medium range, and that was in full militia gear. (Once you use KB & Mouse you dont turn slow with it, so thats a moot point).



Or maybe due to the spinning of the berrels it disperses Kick in all directions and possibly has a counter weight that spins in the oppisite ddirection to to Cancel out any kick that may be pulling the user down and to the right?

Just my guess I really dont know that much about physics.

OP I just want you to know I have no problem sacrificing myself by headshotting you people straight on with my tactical assault, knowing that they guy coming behind me will take you out with ease

I would like to know what people are using and what they have spent their skills into who are complaining about heavy's and their HMG. Most of my kills have been against milita users, and the players that i have trouble with are the vets of the closed beta, who actually know what to skill into and how to take down a heavy.

There has been no major changes to heavy's over the last couple of builds, they've remained the same and no one complained before. But now we have scrubs who stand still and run towards me, who have prob spent their skills into worthless crap and run around in basic gear and expect to be godly. Once people start to get better gear things will level out.

Games played against random newberries il go 20/0, games against people who know what they're doing and il be lucky to go positive.

It does have recoil. The same as the AR, the HMG has muzzle climb that if left unattended pulls up and over the target. If the gun was in a pintle mount this muzzle lift would be non existent, and although the heavy suit was designed to be a mobile heavy weapons mount, a little lift can be suffered.The gyroscopic stabilisation that's caused by the barrel group spinning more than 33 times a second with a counter rotational weighted disc spinning the same, causes it to be a very stable and accurate gun over LONG bursts.

It's about time people get familiar with real life physics and New Eden lore. If ye keep hitting yer heads on a wall, headaches will continue until ye notice the possibility of walking around it. As has been stated many times already, heavies are not gods, but the people running straight at them sure like to make them look that way. No nerf is needed. Don't hang around around in front of HMGs, and unless you're in definite hard cover, don't stop moving.

A rare thing on this forum at times

Im one.

Remember people Heavy's are just like teddy bears, they're big, like to be cuddled, need to be cared for to remain in a good state. They love you, why don't you love them?