I have no proof

What The French is an old corp who have some nexlevel aim and ability to dodge bullets, whether from lag from EU or just skill, we will never know. Satori in a scout suit is hell though.

So let me get this straight, if a corp is dominating a team (happens all the time), they must be lag switchers right?

All I can say is, welcome to Dust, where a team can get absolutely steamrolled with no chance whatsoever. It sucks, I know, it's annoying, I know... but when the formula of players on the other team is in such harmony, the devastation can be insane.

lolno

The servers are laggy sometimes.


TRUE lag switching only works on P2P matchmaking when the server IS the host. He engages his lag switch to basically freeze people, and kill them.

You can use lag on dedicated servers, but you'll be skipping around the screen, till the servers kick you out (assuming the servers in DUST do that.

I can download something while playing, basically creating lag, but it won't help me (unless i run a scout suit + shotgun + speed mods).

Chances are, the servers are lagging due to the influx of players...

Lets not get into this again as last time it got locked

I wouldn't call it lagswitching if there obviously wasn't any lag, the lag was outrageous. Shooting a guy 30 times for the game to freeze, have me skip around the map and I end up dead. I'm not an idiot. I know when I'm getting decimated by being outplayed and outgunned but when there is obviously some type of force outside of my control dictating the outcome of gun fights, I'd like to think something is wrong.



A mature and informative answer, thank you. I learnt something new about lagswitching. There was definitely a lot of lag going on, the growing amount of players coming to this game could be the cause. What I didn't understand was how the lag was affecting us so badly yet the opposing team was doing more than just fine. Could it have been skill? Maybe, I guess I'll never know.

I didn't know you could use lagswitching for dust. I have never seen this myself, but anything is possible. But i doubt it.

Title, It's true people. Just got done playing 2 games of Ambush. Both times I was paired up with "WHAT THE FRENCH" Corporation. I have no proof it was them specifically but I could hardly imagine that it'd be anyone else after 2 games or obvious lagswitching.

Both games our team got destroyed, I joined late and still got the Highest score which was 2/4. Everybody on our team was either being disconnected by the switch or Just leaving the game after they realized what was going on. No one on the opposing team had more than 2 deaths. I wish we could take screenshots and upload them, I hate making accusations without proof.

Anyway, just avoid "WHAT THE FRENCH" If you can, they're obviously composed of Call of Duty players who couldn't adapt to a not braindead easy game.... Thats of course if they weren't lagswitching it there as well...

lolno

The servers are laggy sometimes.


TRUE lag switching only works on P2P matchmaking when the server IS the host. He engages his lag switch to basically freeze people, and kill them.

You can use lag on dedicated servers, but you'll be skipping around the screen, till the servers kick you out (assuming the servers in DUST do that.

I can download something while playing, basically creating lag, but it won't help me (unless i run a scout suit + shotgun + speed mods).

Chances are, the servers are lagging due to the influx of players...

What The French is an old corp who have some nexlevel aim and ability to dodge bullets, whether from lag from EU or just skill, we will never know. Satori in a scout suit is hell though.

^ This. And also there's been some big punch-up in EVE over the past couple days, Devs say they're noy supposed to affect each other but maybe all the kinks aren't ironed out yet.

And who are you... no seriously ?!
WTF (pun intented) is this all about.

I probably wasn't in the games you mention, but SKILLS is not the same as lagswitching.
Dude I don't know how long you have been playing this game, but most of the peeps in our Corp have been playing since this summer, they have all (well except me...) met in MAG and none that I know of seriously played this c.o.d. thing you're talking about.


I'm getting sick of these n00bs that get slaughtered and need to find excuses. If you went 2/4 then you obviously aren't all that good are you, and the rest of your team must have seriously sucked to put it bluntly like that.
Itchi, Tracky, Stellios, Chaos, Gloo, Caz (?), Flo and prob 1 or 2 others where in the top 100 (most in the top 50) of the Kill-leaderboards before the server switch. Seriously dude I think you simply got in Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over your head.


Next time you get slaughtered on the battlefield tell yourself this : They are simply better organized, have better skills and more experience...

Your own defeat isn't the fault of the game lagging. The game lags tremendously since yesterdays EVE war. Not our fault.
Now go back to the battlefield, get some skills and then come back, request a corpmatch and you'll see who's laggswitching... or not.


Peace to you dude, but next time think before posting unfounded and dumb assumptions.

I'm only going to say this once, so please pay attention. It is not possible to use a lag switch in dust, it's just not. See the way lag switches work, ya can find this out yourself on the internet, but what a lag switch does is cut out your upload so for a second you stop sending data to the servers. This works extremely well in P2P games like halo because it causes lag for everyone. Games that aren't however you would simply see them ghosting around. That said ITS IMPOSSIBLE to do in dust. Why is that you ask? Simple CCP are smart, much like the creators of MAG or any Sony exclusive really safe guards have been put in that auto kick you from the game the second your upload speed drastically decreases while your download speed remains the same. Don't believe me? Go to a hardware store, pick up some cheap supplies and inexpensive HDMI cable, should cost you 15-20 bucks tops. Then look online for the MILLIONS of lag switch tutorials, make yourself a lag switch and then test it. You will see that it does not work. CCP and Sony are allot smarter than that.

I know many of you new blueberries are use to Halo 1-4 where you are use to lag switchers all day everyday. Well guess what this isn't Bungie, or Microsoft. These guys are experienced and intelligent game designers that care about gamer's and the gaming community first. They care about the quality of the game and aren't just trying to leech money off players that don't know any better like Microsoft and Bungie. So do some research next time you go making false claims. I know you are probably new and all so try not to make a habit of it in the future, mmk?

Title, It's true people. Just got done playing 2 games of Ambush. Both times I was paired up with "WHAT THE FRENCH" Corporation. I have no proof it was them specifically but I could hardly imagine that it'd be anyone else after 2 games or obvious lagswitching.

Both games our team got destroyed, I joined late and still got the Highest score which was 2/4. Everybody on our team was either being disconnected by the switch or Just leaving the game after they realized what was going on. No one on the opposing team had more than 2 deaths. I wish we could take screenshots and upload them, I hate making accusations without proof.

Anyway, just avoid "WHAT THE FRENCH" If you can, they're obviously composed of Call of Duty players who couldn't adapt to a not braindead easy game.... Thats of course if they weren't lagswitching it there as well...

Title, It's true people. Just got done playing 2 games of Ambush. Both times I was paired up with "WHAT THE FRENCH" Corporation. I have no proof it was them specifically but I could hardly imagine that it'd be anyone else after 2 games or obvious lagswitching.

Both games our team got destroyed, I joined late and still got the Highest score which was 2/4. Everybody on our team was either being disconnected by the switch or Just leaving the game after they realized what was going on. No one on the opposing team had more than 2 deaths. I wish we could take screenshots and upload them, I hate making accusations without proof.

Anyway, just avoid "WHAT THE FRENCH" If you can, they're obviously composed of Call of Duty players who couldn't adapt to a not braindead easy game.... Thats of course if they weren't lagswitching it there as well...

WTF are pretty good players, and shooting them is just as easy as anyone else, its just typically they're shooting me first most of the time as they often like to flank my position.

As for the 'evidence' of lag switching
-There is no DBZ Lag
-Rarely is there Superman Shield Lag
-I have yet to see Ghost Lag
-No jitter lag
-There is animation mismatching, this may be a non lag issue though its very hard to tell in a game like this.
-There is some bank shots around corner lag.

inb4 Gloo Gloo calls this a racist thread.

THis is the best post in this thread. Because everyone knows if you take issue with people lagging because their country as a whole may have bad connections that MUST mean you are racist.

BTW does this also mean your racist if you dont like a certain type of food say italian, german, chinese, etc???

Lag is OP nerf it

Ah, Satori Coruscanti. What a beautiful way to die.

I have a lot of experience getting lagswitched from metal gear online and would not be surprised in the slightest if it was the same people.

These are guys that would DDoS the Konami servers to force everyone in-game to crash and disconnect.

Lagswitchers are the lowest of the low.

You play on a dedicated server! Nobody is ever a host!

There is no way to lag switch you MORON!

Not QQ, just wall of text to all you pros with your awesome technical knowledge on what is and what is not possible.

Yesterday night. I have no lag whatsoever (40ms flat), everything moves fluently and I can hit everybody on the other team except 1 guy. I mean not all the time, just in some very weird setups -- when he's aware of me being there. Guy is wearing STD Assault with GEK, so max shield/armor at this point I'd assume <300 each. Direct shotgun from 2m with weaponry 5 should make a dent, but.

Guy is in a narrow space, no room for sway, two our assaults attack him from the other end, putting in fire from standard ARs. Guy does not side step, only turns around to face my blues and takes at one of them -- kills him. At this point there is nothing going on to his shields, while I see them fire & connect. The other one is now still shooting him frontally, and I'm behind, closing the distance and starting to unload my SH in hopes of saving at least one of those poor noobs. Guys shields flash from AR and SH, but there is NOTHING happening to the bars. 3 shots packed, he now killed the second blue and I see my last chance -- can touch him now -- unloading last one in his head. Nothing happens, he's turning around and when he's half way there his AR starts shooting at near 90 deg angle (!) and downs me in blink (T1 logi). He leaves without a scratch. Entire action lasted maybe 6 seconds from eye contact to 3 of us dead.

WTF?

This then happens 3 times out of 5 fights we get into. I down him twice in a lucky CQC gun&run when he was moving on red-controlled grounds. I have no problems with any of other reds whatsoever, damage always registers on them in the same match and I end up with something like 25/5. Three downs from this guy, that can not be hit by me in f2f fight without moving a muscle.

Any takers on what is happening?

Who want my LAG ?

Price is 10 000 000 ISK !

Muahahahaha

Anyway, i can explain you OP : You are for sure a noob

Stop picking on the French, its very racist of you, its not their fault having such bad connections makes them look good.

You have a dodgy connection. What your seeing happening is what happened 6 seconds ago, You shoot at the guy but he is no longer there because he straifed a few seconds before you spotted him. You see him at his original location and shoot, but server side he is at the new location. Your client thinks he's been hit and shield flare is shown. But you didnt hit so no damgage touches him. (damage is monitor server side so hacks are harder) GFX effects are generated client side to take the load off the server. This is the reason for 99% of hit detection whines for most FPS's out there. Mean while the guy with the good connection noticed you jumping around his screen (lagging out) due to his experience beta testing he has a good idea where you might actually be and sprays that area with bullits resulting in you dieing. You client tells you this 6 second later after you thought you were shooting him in the head but in reality were lay on the ground bleeding out.

Obviously 6 seconds is a bit of an exageration but i would be pretty confident this was the issue you were seeing.

Who want my LAG ?

Price is 10 000 000 ISK !

Muahahahaha

lol remember traky a couple days ago we had a match togheter...2 guys sent me hate mail in with they told me i had a "fuc*ing french connection"....simply lolled

edit: anyway, you'r attacking french guys, but i see the same laggy things happening when I play on US server against some guys!

The French Connection.... it'd make a great corp name.

Lets not get into this again as last time it got locked

I have no clue about network protocols

* The ping was 40ms flat whole time and no lost packets.

Sorry for being dumb.

So let me get this straight, if a corp is dominating a team (happens all the time), they must be lag switchers right?

All I can say is, welcome to Dust, where a team can get absolutely steamrolled with no chance whatsoever. It sucks, I know, it's annoying, I know... but when the formula of players on the other team is in such harmony, the devastation can be insane.


Also the new skirmbush maps (ambush maps with skrimish spawning rules) is likely what you saw, that is what happens nearly every time on those maps. That's what is called redlining on a ambush map, and we can only hope CCP does away with it or at least give us many more CRU's.