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IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:17:00 -
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Title, It's true people. Just got done playing 2 games of Ambush. Both times I was paired up with "WHAT THE FRENCH" Corporation. I have no proof it was them specifically but I could hardly imagine that it'd be anyone else after 2 games or obvious lagswitching.
Both games our team got destroyed, I joined late and still got the Highest score which was 2/4. Everybody on our team was either being disconnected by the switch or Just leaving the game after they realized what was going on. No one on the opposing team had more than 2 deaths. I wish we could take screenshots and upload them, I hate making accusations without proof.
Anyway, just avoid "WHAT THE FRENCH" If you can, they're obviously composed of Call of Duty players who couldn't adapt to a not braindead easy game.... Thats of course if they weren't lagswitching it there as well... |
Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
133
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:20:00 -
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Lets not get into this again as last time it got locked |
Musta Tornius
BetaMax.
265
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:22:00 -
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Damn you Laurent, what are you doing to your members?! |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:22:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:I have no proof
Could it be that they were just too good for your team? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:23:00 -
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lolno
The servers are laggy sometimes.
TRUE lag switching only works on P2P matchmaking when the server IS the host. He engages his lag switch to basically freeze people, and kill them.
You can use lag on dedicated servers, but you'll be skipping around the screen, till the servers kick you out (assuming the servers in DUST do that.
I can download something while playing, basically creating lag, but it won't help me (unless i run a scout suit + shotgun + speed mods).
Chances are, the servers are lagging due to the influx of players... |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:24:00 -
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What The French is an old corp who have some nexlevel aim and ability to dodge bullets, whether from lag from EU or just skill, we will never know. Satori in a scout suit is hell though. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:29:00 -
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So let me get this straight, if a corp is dominating a team (happens all the time), they must be lag switchers right?
All I can say is, welcome to Dust, where a team can get absolutely steamrolled with no chance whatsoever. It sucks, I know, it's annoying, I know... but when the formula of players on the other team is in such harmony, the devastation can be insane.
Also the new skirmbush maps (ambush maps with skrimish spawning rules) is likely what you saw, that is what happens nearly every time on those maps. That's what is called redlining on a ambush map, and we can only hope CCP does away with it or at least give us many more CRU's. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:29:00 -
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inb4 Gloo Gloo calls this a racist thread. |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:30:00 -
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So for around $20 or some DIY you too can join the ranks of the internet accused!
Gonna be a tough call going forward, it's either the servers or some dodgy behavior.
Hilariously impossible to prove either way. |
Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
133
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:33:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:What The French is an old corp who have some nexlevel aim and ability to dodge bullets, whether from lag from EU or just skill, we will never know. Satori in a scout suit is hell though. Well known fact on the EU side that French players eat bullets They lag for EU players but don't do so well on NA servers where as the rest of EU normally does fine on NA servers.I know of plenty of times on gaming websites etc where people have asked for separate ladders because of the connection. |
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IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
326
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:40:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:So let me get this straight, if a corp is dominating a team (happens all the time), they must be lag switchers right?
All I can say is, welcome to Dust, where a team can get absolutely steamrolled with no chance whatsoever. It sucks, I know, it's annoying, I know... but when the formula of players on the other team is in such harmony, the devastation can be insane.
I wouldn't call it lagswitching if there obviously wasn't any lag, the lag was outrageous. Shooting a guy 30 times for the game to freeze, have me skip around the map and I end up dead. I'm not an idiot. I know when I'm getting decimated by being outplayed and outgunned but when there is obviously some type of force outside of my control dictating the outcome of gun fights, I'd like to think something is wrong.
Quote:lolno
The servers are laggy sometimes.
TRUE lag switching only works on P2P matchmaking when the server IS the host. He engages his lag switch to basically freeze people, and kill them.
You can use lag on dedicated servers, but you'll be skipping around the screen, till the servers kick you out (assuming the servers in DUST do that.
I can download something while playing, basically creating lag, but it won't help me (unless i run a scout suit + shotgun + speed mods).
Chances are, the servers are lagging due to the influx of players...
A mature and informative answer, thank you. I learnt something new about lagswitching. There was definitely a lot of lag going on, the growing amount of players coming to this game could be the cause. What I didn't understand was how the lag was affecting us so badly yet the opposing team was doing more than just fine. Could it have been skill? Maybe, I guess I'll never know. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:00:00 -
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I have had some serious bouts of lag in this game, most often it was because someone (or something) in my household was consuming bandwidth without proper QoS set on the routers. And like you, my games during these times was absolutely horrid. Constantly rubber-banding and getting stuck on walls/objects, shooting people clip after clip and nothing would do any kind of damage, etc etc.
Could be your net, or the Dust servers. Or it's possible you were actually playing in a EU server, in which case WTF would have had the latency advantage. |
Omnipotent Zitro
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
156
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:05:00 -
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You play on a dedicated server! Nobody is ever a host!
There is no way to lag switch you MORON! |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:06:00 -
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Yay Adski wrote:Lets not get into this again as last time it got locked New berries just being new.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
642
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:15:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:So let me get this straight, if a corp is dominating a team (happens all the time), they must be lag switchers right?
All I can say is, welcome to Dust, where a team can get absolutely steamrolled with no chance whatsoever. It sucks, I know, it's annoying, I know... but when the formula of players on the other team is in such harmony, the devastation can be insane.
I wouldn't call it lagswitching if there obviously wasn't any lag, the lag was outrageous. Shooting a guy 30 times for the game to freeze, have me skip around the map and I end up dead. I'm not an idiot. I know when I'm getting decimated by being outplayed and outgunned but when there is obviously some type of force outside of my control dictating the outcome of gun fights, I'd like to think something is wrong. Quote:lolno
The servers are laggy sometimes.
TRUE lag switching only works on P2P matchmaking when the server IS the host. He engages his lag switch to basically freeze people, and kill them.
You can use lag on dedicated servers, but you'll be skipping around the screen, till the servers kick you out (assuming the servers in DUST do that.
I can download something while playing, basically creating lag, but it won't help me (unless i run a scout suit + shotgun + speed mods).
Chances are, the servers are lagging due to the influx of players... A mature and informative answer, thank you. I learnt something new about lagswitching. There was definitely a lot of lag going on, the growing amount of players coming to this game could be the cause. What I didn't understand was how the lag was affecting us so badly yet the opposing team was doing more than just fine. Could it have been skill? Maybe, I guess I'll never know.
Sometimes it's frame rate issues, and to fix it you need to reset the game. If the server is REALLY laggy, then quit and reset the game. |
ovary obliterator
Shadows United TACNET
22
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:35:00 -
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Lag is OP nerf it |
Dr Debo Galaxy
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
197
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:40:00 -
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I didn't know you could use lagswitching for dust. I have never seen this myself, but anything is possible. But i doubt it. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:50:00 -
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Dr Debo Galaxy wrote:I didn't know you could use lagswitching for dust. I have never seen this myself, but anything is possible. But i doubt it.
You can't, in order to do that you need to be controlling the server. However, in this game CCP controls all the servers. So a player can't lagswitch. There is however one teensy problem. Since Dust was tied to tranquility, and the battle servers are all tied in and probably running several battles at once each. It likely causes some issues. |
Tenchu-13
What The French
76
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:55:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:Title, It's true people. Just got done playing 2 games of Ambush. Both times I was paired up with "WHAT THE FRENCH" Corporation. I have no proof it was them specifically but I could hardly imagine that it'd be anyone else after 2 games or obvious lagswitching.
Both games our team got destroyed, I joined late and still got the Highest score which was 2/4. Everybody on our team was either being disconnected by the switch or Just leaving the game after they realized what was going on. No one on the opposing team had more than 2 deaths. I wish we could take screenshots and upload them, I hate making accusations without proof.
Anyway, just avoid "WHAT THE FRENCH" If you can, they're obviously composed of Call of Duty players who couldn't adapt to a not braindead easy game.... Thats of course if they weren't lagswitching it there as well...
And who are you... no seriously ?! WTF (pun intented) is this all about.
I probably wasn't in the games you mention, but SKILLS is not the same as lagswitching. Dude I don't know how long you have been playing this game, but most of the peeps in our Corp have been playing since this summer, they have all (well except me...) met in MAG and none that I know of seriously played this c.o.d. thing you're talking about.
I'm getting sick of these n00bs that get slaughtered and need to find excuses. If you went 2/4 then you obviously aren't all that good are you, and the rest of your team must have seriously sucked to put it bluntly like that. Itchi, Tracky, Stellios, Chaos, Gloo, Caz (?), Flo and prob 1 or 2 others where in the top 100 (most in the top 50) of the Kill-leaderboards before the server switch. Seriously dude I think you simply got in Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over your head.
Next time you get slaughtered on the battlefield tell yourself this : They are simply better organized, have better skills and more experience...
Your own defeat isn't the fault of the game lagging. The game lags tremendously since yesterdays EVE war. Not our fault. Now go back to the battlefield, get some skills and then come back, request a corpmatch and you'll see who's laggswitching... or not.
Peace to you dude, but next time think before posting unfounded and dumb assumptions. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:59:00 -
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Also... i suspect they may be french.
which would put them really far away. like all the way in europe or... france or something. maybe china, i dunno, i'm not a scientist.
which MIGHT have something to do with wonky connections. |
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:15:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lolno
The servers are laggy sometimes.
TRUE lag switching only works on P2P matchmaking when the server IS the host. He engages his lag switch to basically freeze people, and kill them.
You can use lag on dedicated servers, but you'll be skipping around the screen, till the servers kick you out (assuming the servers in DUST do that.
I can download something while playing, basically creating lag, but it won't help me (unless i run a scout suit + shotgun + speed mods).
Chances are, the servers are lagging due to the influx of players... ^ This. And also there's been some big punch-up in EVE over the past couple days, Devs say they're noy supposed to affect each other but maybe all the kinks aren't ironed out yet. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:16:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:What The French is an old corp who have some nexlevel aim and ability to dodge bullets, whether from lag from EU or just skill, we will never know. Satori in a scout suit is hell though. Ah, Satori Coruscanti. What a beautiful way to die. |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
53
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:23:00 -
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I am sure it is lag, and not people deliberately disconnection who don't want to get massacred by what the french.
Next thing I will hear is problems with invictus, imperfects, or whoever else leet squad, where 2 or more of them go 40-1. |
Connor-MacLeod
Tgrad Mercs
1
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:28:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lolno
The servers are laggy sometimes.
TRUE lag switching only works on P2P matchmaking when the server IS the host. He engages his lag switch to basically freeze people, and kill them.
You can use lag on dedicated servers, but you'll be skipping around the screen, till the servers kick you out (assuming the servers in DUST do that.
I can download something while playing, basically creating lag, but it won't help me (unless i run a scout suit + shotgun + speed mods).
Chances are, the servers are lagging due to the influx of players... ^ This. And also there's been some big punch-up in EVE over the past couple days, Devs say they're noy supposed to affect each other but maybe all the kinks aren't ironed out yet.
depending on the time of ur match this sunday gone it could well have been the tranquility servers were being affected by the massive fight in asakai. eve players did loose a combined total of over 500 Billion ISK in a fight that lasted approx 4 to 5 hours.
thats over -ú10,000 @ current plex exchange rates (550m = -ú10) |
Eugenic Prodigy
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:35:00 -
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Use this before posting please: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
326
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:42:00 -
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Tenchu-13 wrote:IRuby Heart wrote:Title, It's true people. Just got done playing 2 games of Ambush. Both times I was paired up with "WHAT THE FRENCH" Corporation. I have no proof it was them specifically but I could hardly imagine that it'd be anyone else after 2 games or obvious lagswitching.
Both games our team got destroyed, I joined late and still got the Highest score which was 2/4. Everybody on our team was either being disconnected by the switch or Just leaving the game after they realized what was going on. No one on the opposing team had more than 2 deaths. I wish we could take screenshots and upload them, I hate making accusations without proof.
Anyway, just avoid "WHAT THE FRENCH" If you can, they're obviously composed of Call of Duty players who couldn't adapt to a not braindead easy game.... Thats of course if they weren't lagswitching it there as well... And who are you... no seriously ?! WTF (pun intented) is this all about. I probably wasn't in the games you mention, but SKILLS is not the same as lagswitching. Dude I don't know how long you have been playing this game, but most of the peeps in our Corp have been playing since this summer, they have all (well except me...) met in MAG and none that I know of seriously played this c.o.d. thing you're talking about. I'm getting sick of these n00bs that get slaughtered and need to find excuses. If you went 2/4 then you obviously aren't all that good are you, and the rest of your team must have seriously sucked to put it bluntly like that. Itchi, Tracky, Stellios, Chaos, Gloo, Caz (?), Flo and prob 1 or 2 others where in the top 100 (most in the top 50) of the Kill-leaderboards before the server switch. Seriously dude I think you simply got in Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over your head. Next time you get slaughtered on the battlefield tell yourself this : They are simply better organized, have better skills and more experience... Your own defeat isn't the fault of the game lagging. The game lags tremendously since yesterdays EVE war. Not our fault. Now go back to the battlefield, get some skills and then come back, request a corpmatch and you'll see who's laggswitching... or not. Peace to you dude, but next time think before posting unfounded and dumb assumptions.
Truly a dumb and unneeded post, did you even read the thread? Or did you just read the first post and then furiously start mashing on your keyboard? I'll admit I jumped the gun on calling out the french as lagswitchers, but I never claimed myself to be good at the game. Saying my own defeat isn't the fault of the game lagging and then immediately and then admittedly saying the game lags tremendously is just comical. I've also just found out that the EVE war was the cause of the lag going on, or simply as many others have stated that I was put in an EU server. I'm sorry if I somehow hurt your feeling in my first post.
Peace to you dude, but next time think before posting unfounded and dumb rants. |
Nickles Jester
BetaMax.
43
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:04:00 -
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I'm only going to say this once, so please pay attention. It is not possible to use a lag switch in dust, it's just not. See the way lag switches work, ya can find this out yourself on the internet, but what a lag switch does is cut out your upload so for a second you stop sending data to the servers. This works extremely well in P2P games like halo because it causes lag for everyone. Games that aren't however you would simply see them ghosting around. That said ITS IMPOSSIBLE to do in dust. Why is that you ask? Simple CCP are smart, much like the creators of MAG or any Sony exclusive really safe guards have been put in that auto kick you from the game the second your upload speed drastically decreases while your download speed remains the same. Don't believe me? Go to a hardware store, pick up some cheap supplies and inexpensive HDMI cable, should cost you 15-20 bucks tops. Then look online for the MILLIONS of lag switch tutorials, make yourself a lag switch and then test it. You will see that it does not work. CCP and Sony are allot smarter than that.
I know many of you new blueberries are use to Halo 1-4 where you are use to lag switchers all day everyday. Well guess what this isn't Bungie, or Microsoft. These guys are experienced and intelligent game designers that care about gamer's and the gaming community first. They care about the quality of the game and aren't just trying to leech money off players that don't know any better like Microsoft and Bungie. So do some research next time you go making false claims. I know you are probably new and all so try not to make a habit of it in the future, mmk? |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
229
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:48:00 -
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as many others before me said that, lagswitching is impossible. Were you playing on the Eu server? If so it's normal to have these kind of issues (unless you have a really good connection). Anyway blacken the name of a corporation, just because they'r good or just because they lag in a match, on a public forum is never the best thing to do ;). I know many of them and I am absolutely sure they don't cheat in any way. And yes, it is absolutely normal if guys like Traky and many others from his corp ends their matches 30-0 or 40-1 etc. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1593
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Posted - 2013.01.28 04:07:00 -
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Nickles Jester wrote:I'm only going to say this once, so please pay attention. It is not possible to use a lag switch in dust, it's just not. See the way lag switches work, ya can find this out yourself on the internet, but what a lag switch does is cut out your upload so for a second you stop sending data to the servers. This works extremely well in P2P games like halo because it causes lag for everyone. Games that aren't however you would simply see them ghosting around. That said ITS IMPOSSIBLE to do in dust. Why is that you ask? Simple CCP are smart, much like the creators of MAG or any Sony exclusive really safe guards have been put in that auto kick you from the game the second your upload speed drastically decreases while your download speed remains the same. Don't believe me? Go to a hardware store, pick up some cheap supplies and inexpensive HDMI cable, should cost you 15-20 bucks tops. Then look online for the MILLIONS of lag switch tutorials, make yourself a lag switch and then test it. You will see that it does not work. CCP and Sony are allot smarter than that.
I know many of you new blueberries are use to Halo 1-4 where you are use to lag switchers all day everyday. Well guess what this isn't Bungie, or Microsoft. These guys are experienced and intelligent game designers that care about gamer's and the gaming community first. They care about the quality of the game and aren't just trying to leech money off players that don't know any better like Microsoft and Bungie. So do some research next time you go making false claims. I know you are probably new and all so try not to make a habit of it in the future, mmk?
I'm not hear to discredit your post. In fact, I salute you for the information you provided in regards to how lagswitching works and this is something everyone should know about so that future accusations of lagswitching in Dust can be ignored.
But I want to point out that Bungie left Microsoft after Halo Reach (which was shortly after Halo 3). 343 Industries later took control and developed Halo 4. That's all I wanted to point out.
But yeah, unlike Microsoft, Bungie, and 343, the Icelandic company known as CCP Games cares about the players. CCP is no stranger to lag. In fact, Google search the words "CCP" and "War On Lag" in the same sentence and you will see that they have worked for 10 years trying to deal with lag which is something every MMO developer had to suffer. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:33:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:Title, It's true people. Just got done playing 2 games of Ambush. Both times I was paired up with "WHAT THE FRENCH" Corporation. I have no proof it was them specifically but I could hardly imagine that it'd be anyone else after 2 games or obvious lagswitching.
Both games our team got destroyed, I joined late and still got the Highest score which was 2/4. Everybody on our team was either being disconnected by the switch or Just leaving the game after they realized what was going on. No one on the opposing team had more than 2 deaths. I wish we could take screenshots and upload them, I hate making accusations without proof.
Anyway, just avoid "WHAT THE FRENCH" If you can, they're obviously composed of Call of Duty players who couldn't adapt to a not braindead easy game.... Thats of course if they weren't lagswitching it there as well...
Are you serious ? We dont lagswitch... We just got game, ask around.... Typical of the butthurt sad little player.
And cod players ? hello, been there since day-one beta. never bought a COD game aside BO 1 for 3D tests and it ended up in the trash in less than 2 days. And that's true for pretty much everyone of us.
Let's be serious, there are plenty reasons to explain that :
1) Skill 2) you being US on a EU server 3) Playing a low framerate map that will obviously give an edge to older players who can deal with it. |
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