breach rifle
1.bring back old damage
2.increase the recoil
3.tighter bullet spread while aiming
4.bullet spread will need to expand while hipfiring to counter act "spray and pray"

hmg
1. increase how fast its effective rating drops the further away the target is.

swarms
1. make them faster to catch up with dropships

dropships
1. give counter measures against the swarms i.e. make swarms destructible by turrets for ex a merc in a dropship is manning the blaster turret while this gun is ineffective against infantry it will be useful in blowing up the swarms chasing the ship. since turrets cannot aim directly behind or in front of the ship this requires the pilot to outmaneuvre the swarms in a way that allows his gunner to be able to lead the missiles to destroy them. plus since the dropship has two turret slots it will still be able to fire upon enemy infantry with the other turret slot if that slot is not being used as a counter measure itself.

this will also give a new play style to dropships as they could then be extremley durable mobile spawns as they could have two blaster or railgun turrets dedicated to eliminating swarms so that the ship can deploy more soldiers.

IMO:

Lazer rifle just needs a slightly faster overheat. Anything more, would be overkill.

MD needs to go back down to having 2 less rounds. (original drum capacity) Anything more would be overkill.

ARs are fine, except damage on militia/std should be back down to 30, Duvolle should be bumped up to 34.5. Only other level of differentiation should be a 5% increase in ROF as you go up a level. That way, the damage per round only goes up by a couple points, but the DPS goes up more, because of faster ROF. This along with the fact that accuracy goes up with higher level ARs, would be enough.

* Regarding Breach, they just need to be bumped back up to original damage. (and give Creodron it's old 42 round magazine)

HMG just needs it accuracy to drop at the farther ranges.

Lasers are fine, I've been using them since they came out, ya I can go 36-1 with a laser but hey, can do it with ar as well. I was playing a game today and a kid got killed by a laser, he said oh well they'll get nerfed soon enough and I won't have to worry about it then, I believe ccp in the past said these are working as intended. They are not something that is easy to use, you can be flanked, if you overheat while being shot you commit suicide, my viziam alone costs 86k, up close they're garbage.

People just don't understand just like a sniper, if someone is sniping are you going to stay in the open and be sniped? When a laser rifle is charging up, which I always do before going for my targets, I'm at max damage, yet ppl stand there watching the pretty light ready to be slayed.


The initial I'd say 80% heat build has extremely low damage and gives targets time to run if you shoot to early, also by building heat you waste a ton of ammo and a nano hive is mandatory which takes from your suit, also the LR takes alot to fit further diminishing your ability to fit tank on your suit.


I will also agree with the swarm changes if dropships are changed and tanks are changed, at current to many ppl can switch to a militia swarm fit at a supply depot and it becomes lunicris.


HMG's def need some range toned down will agree there as well.

Sorry my post was mainly on the LR but most people don't understand them enough, and is one weapon that is balanced and working. AR's need a bigger difference in them from militia up to compensate as well.

So, basically, nerf everything except AR... which just so happens to be the gun that most people use, and the large majority of in-game kills come from.

Makes perfect sense, I mean heck, I still occasionally get killed by LRs, MDs, and HMGs.

just a quick response to your view on the breach.

the breach was labeled op for the reasons that the LR is now marked op

people did not pay attention to keeping distance which was the breach's weakness just like how they do not attempt to get into cqc vs the laser rifle. while there are aspects in both that needed and need tweaking respectively overall they were balanced compared to other weapons

Good point - except for one thing: in some of the earlier builds, the Breach's tight hipfire allowed it to continue killing faster in close-quarters range, and it was the weapon of choice for the infamous Dance Wars of 2012.
The Breach can be made into a balanced weapon yet. It needs a stronger kick, which also means a large CoF bloom - it should start with a tighter hipspread, but bloom to wider than the AR with continued fire.
Both of those additions can be added to the damage buff to make the Breach a weapon that does best firing in controlled bursts - something that isn't represented well in DUST currently.

thanks red

yeah ive used the laser rifle probably 5 times total so im definitley not an expert on it so any suggestions or comments about that or the mass driver would be appreciated

It was actually this OP that made me try MD, dude I love it. Its definitely fine where its at, takes some practice. But in no way is it overpowered.

thank you

upon further reflection to the posts made i have removed the need for a reduction in clip size suggestion

I think the weapons you buy should be more noticeable from the weapons that you start on. I pay i think 200k for 20 weapons and they were not too much diferent from the start pack of weapons you have. I was like... man i just wasted 200k in weapons that i dont see minimal results. Today i got my first big score with a starter pack weapon, it seems a wast of time and money to buy market weapons and thats bad because the economy does not flow

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