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Jay Sterling IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 13	Posted - 2013.01.20 05:21:00 - [1] - Quote When beta ends do we keep our skill points and get refunded our aurum? That would be cool because if you spend your money on boosters during beta, you could use the same money to buy them again on release.
GreasePaYN RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 1	Posted - 2013.01.20 05:23:00 - [2] - Quote no. there are no more resets
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 229	Posted - 2013.01.20 05:24:00 - [3] - Quote They Said it was the last wipe, so no, i don't think so
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 360	Posted - 2013.01.20 05:26:00 - [4] - Quote No more wipes planned
Jason Sera DUST University Ivy League 18	Posted - 2013.01.20 05:29:00 - [5] - Quote We keep the skill points but the Aurum is gone forever....unless CCP has to do another wipe, in which case, we lose the skill points but get the Aurum refunded. However, the latter scenario is not likely because CCP has stated that there will not be another wipe unless there is some sort of unforeseen catastrophe.
Jay Sterling IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 13	Posted - 2013.01.20 05:30:00 - [6] - Quote Thank you very much for your replies!
Jason Sera DUST University Ivy League 18	Posted - 2013.01.20 05:36:00 - [7] - Quote Jay Sterling wrote: So we keep our skill points but don't get the aurum refunded(?) Oh well, it was a nice fantasy while it lasted! Yes, that is correct. The game is functioning as if the game is already released. Your skill points continue to increase and any Aurum that you use now is spent....
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.20 06:28:00 - [8] - Quote I'm pretty sure the Merc Pack was pretty clear in stating that all Aurum and items would be refunded at the official release at the end of the beta. Seems they might have a bit of a liability at hand if they don't honor that arrangement. It would he a pretty cut and dry case of false advertisement if we don't get our Merc pack stuff at release.
Firestorm Zulu Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2013.01.20 06:31:00 - [9] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: I'm pretty sure the Merc Pack was pretty clear in stating that all Aurum and items would be refunded at the official release at the end of the beta. Seems they might have a bit of a liability at hand if they don't honor that arrangement. Welcome to the official release. Probably want to get your head out of the sand
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.20 06:32:00 - [10] - Quote Firestorm Zulu wrote: Baal Roo wrote: I'm pretty sure the Merc Pack was pretty clear in stating that all Aurum and items would be refunded at the official release at the end of the beta. Seems they might have a bit of a liability at hand if they don't honor that arrangement. Welcome to the official release. Probably want to get your head out of the sand WRONG. We're still in "closed beta" and the Merc pack was clear that all items used during closed beta would be refunded.

Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2013.01.20 06:45:00 - [11] - Quote Well, I guess I could use a top off on 30 day active booster if the whole getting the merc pack back once again thing happens.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2013.01.20 08:40:00 - [12] - Quote GreasePaYN RND wrote: no. there are no more resets Wrong. The AUR must be refunded, or I will get my money back from SONY.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.20 09:09:00 - [13] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: GreasePaYN RND wrote: no. there are no more resets Wrong. The AUR must be refunded, or I will get my money back from SONY. I'm fine with how they've gone about it personally, but I'm certain there will be plenty of people who feel the same way you do. It's a matter of principle.
DonGotti WarRavens 5	Posted - 2013.01.20 09:38:00 - [14] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: GreasePaYN RND wrote: no. there are no more resets Wrong. The AUR must be refunded, or I will get my money back from SONY. I'm fine with how they've gone about it personally, but I'm certain there will be plenty of people who feel the same way you do. It's a matter of principle. Well if you all go into the PSN store you will all see that it states mercenary pack will be credited in full to your in game dust 514 account after each reset and for the commercial release... This is not commercial release this is still closed Beta, if they do not refund my aur they need to give me $20 back because as the guy stated in the post FALSE ADVERTISEMENT
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2013.01.20 10:54:00 - [15] - Quote I don't know how anyone could be fine with not getting a refund. There is still so much broken with this game and we are very clearly still testing. Anyone who is OK with giving CCP money for being a tester, have at it. But I remember CCP had to be VERY EXPLICIT around E3 that they found the idea of permanently losing real money for a beta absurd. What happened to that CCP?
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 217	Posted - 2013.01.20 10:59:00 - [16] - Quote And what are you guys gonna do when they don't refund it? Sue CCP/Sony? Good luck, most countries have provisions in their laws to make sure that people who are too anal about following the letter of the law won't clog the legal system with cases of meaningless lawsuits. I'm pretty sure non-refundal of AUR because of 2 different release dates falls under this category. I think you'll have more success crying to your mom, at least she can give some emotional support.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2013.01.20 11:06:00 - [17] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: And what are you guys gonna do when they don't refund it? Sue CCP/Sony? Good luck, most countries have provisions in their laws to make sure that people who are too anal about following the letter of the law won't clog the legal system with cases of meaningless lawsuits. I'm pretty sure non-refundal of AUR because of 2 different release dates falls under this category. I think you'll have more success crying to your mom, at least she can give some emotional support. I will get my money back through SOE. It won't take suing. You, however, are free to bend over and take it however you please. I won't judge.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.20 12:40:00 - [18] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: GreasePaYN RND wrote: no. there are no more resets Wrong. The AUR must be refunded, or I will get my money back from SONY. Actually, Grease is right.....they've confirmed no more resets. I think it is ridiculous not to have a reset for official launch. They are probably trying to label the release as an open beta as a scapegoat for remaining bugs. It is still silly to not have a reset if there is going to be an official launch. Nothing should be carried over from the beta except BPOs that were given through events. But definitely no skill point, ISK, etc advantages
Koivu-X Dust-Cloud 5	Posted - 2013.01.20 19:33:00 - [19] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: [quote=GreasePaYN RND]no. there are no more resets It is still silly to not have a reset if there is going to be an official launch. Nothing should be carried over from the beta except BPOs that were given through events. But definitely no skill point, ISK, etc advantages I copy you on this too! Let us keep the BPOs, cause we helped out in the events, but skip all other adv.
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 126	Posted - 2013.01.20 19:52:00 - [20] - Quote If people kick up a fuss about some words on a item on the PS store then they could call that a problem and reset everyone then problem sovled aurum returned, but i have a feeling a few people would be annoyed at such a occasion to be honest id preffer to see a wipe at launch when there will hopefully be a decent sp system in place, this sp system is the worst one to date

tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 674	Posted - 2013.01.20 22:39:00 - [21] - Quote Jay Sterling wrote: When beta ends do we keep our skill points and get refunded our aurum? That would be cool because if you spend your money on boosters during beta, you could use the same money to buy them again on release. No more refunds fella, once you spend it....it's goooone.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2013.01.20 22:42:00 - [22] - Quote Not the toxin it is forever!!! And the bpo items!!
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.01.20 22:47:00 - [23] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Gauder Berwyck wrote: And what are you guys gonna do when they don't refund it? Sue CCP/Sony? Good luck, most countries have provisions in their laws to make sure that people who are too anal about following the letter of the law won't clog the legal system with cases of meaningless lawsuits. I'm pretty sure non-refundal of AUR because of 2 different release dates falls under this category. I think you'll have more success crying to your mom, at least she can give some emotional support. I will get my money back through SOE. It won't take suing. You, however, are free to bend over and take it however you please. I won't judge. Then maybe CCP should also pay people the hundreds of dollars people have spent in EvE online, because it's always in beta, and people have lost tons of paid for ships.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 674	Posted - 2013.01.20 22:47:00 - [24] - Quote Koivu-X wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: [quote=GreasePaYN RND]no. there are no more resets It is still silly to not have a reset if there is going to be an official launch. Nothing should be carried over from the beta except BPOs that were given through events. But definitely no skill point, ISK, etc advantages I copy you on this too! Let us keep the BPOs, cause we helped out in the events, but skip all other adv. Open beta is technically release, since eve is still in open beta (10 years on). So there's no more resets. People keep using the 'unfair to new players' excuse but how many new people join games every day? Bf3 still has new people joining, eve still has new people joining, WOW still has new people Joining, as does DCUO, guild wars etc etc. No matter if its labeled as open beta or official release, there will always be new players in dust, and it's only a 2 week difference between the TQ migration reset for us closed testers and open beta. No big deal
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2013.01.21 05:27:00 - [25] - Quote EVE does not say beta anywhere. Stupid analogy is stupid.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 444	Posted - 2013.01.21 06:08:00 - [26] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: EVE does not say beta anywhere. Stupid analogy is stupid. Yep eve had its official release in 2003, we just get expansions, and tbh if you wanna call open beta "open beta release"......well that's not until the 22nd, so didn't they refund our aur to soon? Tech not on their official release.....it is still closed beta after all, just sayn'
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.21 06:10:00 - [27] - Quote Firestorm Zulu wrote: Baal Roo wrote: I'm pretty sure the Merc Pack was pretty clear in stating that all Aurum and items would be refunded at the official release at the end of the beta. Seems they might have a bit of a liability at hand if they don't honor that arrangement. Welcome to the official release. Probably want to get your head out of the sand IT's not the official release, what is wrong with you people. The game doesn't even have a tank for each race. You think they will release the game without minmatar and ammar buildings to fight inside? The game is far from release, there will still be a gag order on reviews because the game is barely half done. We don't even have the top down commander view. Which we know is already done because it was once listed for release in the patch notes, but they cut it last minute because they had to focus on the core game play. But now that's down expect the game to finally start getting content.
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.21 06:13:00 - [28] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: Koivu-X wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: [quote=GreasePaYN RND]no. there are no more resets It is still silly to not have a reset if there is going to be an official launch. Nothing should be carried over from the beta except BPOs that were given through events. But definitely no skill point, ISK, etc advantages I copy you on this too! Let us keep the BPOs, cause we helped out in the events, but skip all other adv. Open beta is technically release, since eve is still in open beta (10 years on). So there's no more resets. People keep using the 'unfair to new players' excuse but how many new people join games every day? Bf3 still has new people joining, eve still has new people joining, WOW still has new people Joining, as does DCUO, guild wars etc etc. No matter if its labeled as open beta or official release, there will always be new players in dust, and it's only a 2 week difference between the TQ migration reset for us closed testers and open beta. No big deal eve isn't a beta what the ** does that even mean? IT's got more content than final fantasy 14. Sure maybe wow has more content as far as ti do, but how in the ** is eve online, one of the highest rated and 3rd most subscribed mmo. It's graphics are top notch, and the game has 10 years of life in it. It was surely very beta ish for the 1st 3 years as they had to build up a lot of content, like captial ships and tech 2 and the rest of the core of eve. But to say it's still in beta just blows my mind.
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.21 06:14:00 - [29] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Firestorm Zulu wrote: Baal Roo wrote: I'm pretty sure the Merc Pack was pretty clear in stating that all Aurum and items would be refunded at the official release at the end of the beta. Seems they might have a bit of a liability at hand if they don't honor that arrangement. Welcome to the official release. Probably want to get your head out of the sand WRONG. We're still in "closed beta" and the Merc pack was clear that all items used during closed beta would be refunded. No this has been a headstart of the open beta. We got 2 weeks up on the open beta players. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Be glad we got a head start in the open beta.
Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2013.01.21 08:20:00 - [30] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: GreasePaYN RND wrote: no. there are no more resets Wrong. The AUR must be refunded, or I will get my money back from SONY. Actually, Grease is right.....they've confirmed no more resets. I think it is ridiculous not to have a reset for official launch. They are probably trying to label the release as an open beta as a scapegoat for remaining bugs. It is still silly to not have a reset if there is going to be an official launch. Nothing should be carried over from the beta except BPOs that were given through events. But definitely no skill point, ISK, etc advantages Could you (or anyone else) please post a link to the statement that there will be no more resets? All I've seen is people claiming that it's an official statement but no one backs it up with a link to the statement. I'm not at all saying it's not true or that I don't believe it, I just would like to read it for myself. I would like to say though that all of you guys acting like folks have no reason or cause to be upset are completely out of line! If they go ahead with no official final release (open beta is NOT a final release date, if it were then it would be called a release date and not beta) and don't give us a reset then we most definitely have every right to be upset and disgruntled! What kind of crazy logic would think otherwise? Open beta is NOT a final release date, if it were then it would be called a release date and not open beta. Besides that...if I'm understanding correctly...the open beta will not come with a reset either and this closed beta should absolutely not be considered the final release. Maybe that's the way things are done in PC games but it's just not the way things work on PS3. A character reset on the final release date is what was promised. If the last wipe and reset was going to be the final one then it's something that should have been made clear to everyone BEFORE it took place....not months later. Some of you are completely incorrect in your smug statements! We were very much promised a reset of everything we purchased. We bought Merc packs under the claim and belief that an actual, official, final release date would be announced and come at some point later and when it did we would keep all SP earned in the beta and be refunded all Aurum spent during the beta to be re-distributed after the final release date and concurring reset. This is exactly what my Merc pack claimed and promised! By what twisted logic should I not be upset if they don't follow through on their statement and promise? Maybe EVE players are used to getting the screws put to them but this is something new for most PSN players. Certainly a bit of anger is justified when someone finds out they've put hundreds of dollars into a promise that's not going to be kept. I've seen a lot of gamers get really pissed off over much smaller issues than this. Right now I'm just glad that I only bought one Merc pack with faith in CCPs promise that I could use it as a practice account because it would all be reset when the official release day came. Sure, I'm a little disappointed, but I would be fuming mad if I dumped hundreds into what I believed was a practice character build and now found out that I'm stuck with my practice character for good! Of course, this is not the first time any of us have been lied to by a developer or by Sony. However, the simple fact that it's not the first time doesn't help it to settle any easier.

tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 674	Posted - 2013.01.21 09:15:00 - [31] - Quote http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/en-US/10 'On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts'.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 674	Posted - 2013.01.21 09:21:00 - [32] - Quote It is still silly to not have a reset if there is going to be an official launch. Nothing should be carried over from the beta except BPOs that were given through events. But definitely no skill point, ISK, etc advantages[/quote] I copy you on this too! Let us keep the BPOs, cause we helped out in the events, but skip all other adv. [/quote] Open beta is technically release, since eve is still in open beta (10 years on). So there's no more resets. People keep using the 'unfair to new players' excuse but how many new people join games every day? Bf3 still has new people joining, eve still has new people joining, WOW still has new people Joining, as does DCUO, guild wars etc etc. No matter if its labeled as open beta or official release, there will always be new players in dust, and it's only a 2 week difference between the TQ migration reset for us closed testers and open beta. No big deal[/quote] eve isn't a beta what the ** does that even mean? IT's got more content than final fantasy 14. Sure maybe wow has more content as far as ti do, but how in the ** is eve online, one of the highest rated and 3rd most subscribed mmo. It's graphics are top notch, and the game has 10 years of life in it. It was surely very beta ish for the 1st 3 years as they had to build up a lot of content, like captial ships and tech 2 and the rest of the core of eve. But to say it's still in beta just blows my mind.[/quote] I was simply saying that eve has always been classed as 'permanently in beta', I am an eve vet myself 2003-2010 so it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about dude. You didn't need to chew my head off lol.
boba's fetta Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers 8	Posted - 2013.01.21 11:31:00 - [33] - Quote i have a feeling that thosse of you who bought the merc pack before the last wipe will get it refunded after dt tomorrow.
Darkstar Matari MoG Militia 16	Posted - 2013.01.21 12:22:00 - [34] - Quote Tribal, I am really not sure where that impression has come from, veteran or not. EvE Online was Officially Released on May 6, 2003. This marked the end of the 'beta' period, and the game was published/sold in stores by Simon & Schuster Interactive. CCP Later acquired the publishing rights back, and started selling it purely digitally after that. They also made a publishing deal with Valve to publish on Steam, and in 2009 Atari started publishing boxes for in-store sales again. At any rate, the game was Officially Released on May 6, 2003. This is, and always has been, CCP's view on the game. It was not, and has never, been considered Beta since that date.
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2013.01.21 12:44:00 - [35] - Quote Darkstar Matari wrote: At any rate, the game was Officially Released on May 6, 2003. This is, and always has been, CCP's view on the game. It was not, and has never, been considered Beta since that date. I dont know why this is so hard for people to comprehend. In this thread and others, those that say Eve is still in Beta dont understand the concept of expansions or DLC.
Repe Susi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 249	Posted - 2013.01.21 12:55:00 - [36] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: i have a feeling that thosse of you who bought the merc pack before the last wipe will get it refunded after dt tomorrow. Ooookay... You 'have a feeling' ? Well, I have a feeling that it isn't so. Seriously, why throw up something like that when you have nothing to back it up? Way to confuse people some more.
Doktor Worm BetaMax. 8	Posted - 2013.01.21 13:56:00 - [37] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: boba's fetta wrote: i have a feeling that thosse of you who bought the merc pack before the last wipe will get it refunded after dt tomorrow. Ooookay... You 'have a feeling' ? Well, I have a feeling that it isn't so. Seriously, why throw up something like that when you have nothing to back it up? Way to confuse people some more. Given that they have just announced they are going to increase BPO prices then perhaps they will refund aurum and remove the BPOs we already have. It would make them a bit of extra cash. Then again they may not, so I am off to buy militia BPOs for my alts!
SMiTTYCO Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 28	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:32:00 - [38] - Quote Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: If people kick up a fuss about some words on a item on the PS store then they could call that a problem and reset everyone then problem sovled aurum returned, but i have a feeling a few people would be annoyed at such a occasion to be honest id preffer to see a wipe at launch when there will hopefully be a decent sp system in place, this sp system is the worst one to date I don't think the new sp system is bad. If you could still get 100,000 sp a match then you would have prototype in a day or 2. You cap out on sp so people can't farm. How much fun would it be if everyone has prototype in a few days and everyone has every skill in a few months?
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:37:00 - [39] - Quote SMiTTYCO wrote: How much fun would it be if everyone has prototype in a few days and everyone has every skill in a few months? it would be awesome....
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 444	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:38:00 - [40] - Quote SMiTTYCO wrote: Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: If people kick up a fuss about some words on a item on the PS store then they could call that a problem and reset everyone then problem sovled aurum returned, but i have a feeling a few people would be annoyed at such a occasion to be honest id preffer to see a wipe at launch when there will hopefully be a decent sp system in place, this sp system is the worst one to date I don't think the new sp system is bad. If you could still get 100,000 sp a match then you would have prototype in a day or 2. You cap out on sp so people can't farm. How much fun would it be if everyone has prototype in a few days and everyone has every skill in a few months? Sounds like a good time, now let's see if they can fit em out.

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 296	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:44:00 - [41] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: GreasePaYN RND wrote: no. there are no more resets Wrong. The AUR must be refunded, or I will get my money back from SONY. Did you make some bad choices after they said, 'no more resets, this is it for those in the closed beta'?
Andrew Ka Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 15	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:44:00 - [42] - Quote I understood it as "No more resets (for beta)". As in, official launch will have a wipe. Would seem odd not to.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 296	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:49:00 - [43] - Quote 'On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts'. How does anyone read that as 'begin as of today, except we're really just kidding. We'll wipe and refund again in a few months when we're done with Open Beta. Seriously, no more resets, except for two more. Well, maybe three. You get to spend the same money over and over and over'? If I have to train core skills several times again the I'm done with this game.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 444	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:55:00 - [44] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: 'On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts'. How does anyone read that as 'begin as of today, except we're really just kidding. We'll wipe and refund again in a few months when we're done with Open Beta. Seriously, no more resets, except for two more. Well, maybe three. You get to spend the same money over and over and over'? If I have to train core skills several times again the I'm done with this game. Beta=doing things you don't like to see a good final product........though ya.......good god not again.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 95	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:23:00 - [45] - Quote LOL at those who made bad choices after the reset. No reset is a gift to us that have been in the closed beta. A head start with some extra goodies. To top it off we will be getting an extra 100,000 SP as well. Thanks CCP for not more resets, now bring on the fresh meat.
DonGotti WarRavens 5	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:38:00 - [46] - Quote Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: If people kick up a fuss about some words on a item on the PS store then they could call that a problem and reset everyone then problem sovled aurum returned, but i have a feeling a few people would be annoyed at such a occasion to be honest id preffer to see a wipe at launch when there will hopefully be a decent sp system in place, this sp system is the worst one to date They don't need to wipe anything, just give us a new Mercenary Pack for Beta testing and spending real money... AS PROMISED AND STATED IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE MERC PACK!!
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1593	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:44:00 - [47] - Quote http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/en-US/10 CCP Games wrote: On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=461847#post461847 CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Barring any unforseen issues that would require another reset, this one (the reset post TQ migration) should be the last one. Seriously folks. Do your research.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 95	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:53:00 - [48] - Quote LOL at persons demanding money back because of their own ignorance.
DonGotti WarRavens 5	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:54:00 - [49] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/en-US/10 CCP Games wrote: On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=461847#post461847 CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Barring any unforseen issues that would require another reset, this one (the reset post TQ migration) should be the last one. Seriously folks. Do your research. Seriously... DO YOURS! Well if you all go into the PSN store you will all see that it states mercenary pack will be credited in full to your in game dust 514 account after EACH RESET and for the commercial release*... This is not commercial release this is still closed Beta!
DonGotti WarRavens 5	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:59:00 - [50] - Quote It's very simple, the description stated we should get a new Merc. pack when out of closed Beta. We all read the same thing. I bought this because of that advantage we got, and also because it said we get it back at release. If they are not giving this back to us then they need to give us our money back.

Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1593	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:16:00 - [51] - Quote DonGotti wrote: It's very simple, the description stated we should get a new Merc. pack when out of closed Beta. We all read the same thing. I bought this because of that advantage we got, and also because it said we get it back at release. If they are not giving this back to us then they need to give us our money back. Then CCP will have to update those descriptions then. With all the press, with all the announcements they made, and with all the months of early warning we were given about this recent decision, we might as well consider the recent wipe as the "commercial" release. Good luck getting a refund from CCP. EDIT: I stopped paying attention the merc pack descriptions beyond the basic content they provided.
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 126	Posted - 2013.01.21 19:11:00 - [52] - Quote DonGotti wrote: Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: If people kick up a fuss about some words on a item on the PS store then they could call that a problem and reset everyone then problem sovled aurum returned, but i have a feeling a few people would be annoyed at such a occasion to be honest id preffer to see a wipe at launch when there will hopefully be a decent sp system in place, this sp system is the worst one to date They don't need to wipe anything, just give us a new Mercenary Pack for Beta testing and spending real money... AS PROMISED AND STATED IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE MERC PACK!! You have got what you payed for a merc pack which will be there till launch therefore its already granted if you dont use the contents you will still have them at launch, I think if people complain about this so much about some little peice of writing on a virtual item then they may as well rest everything like they did before at least them they dont have the hassel of dealing with it, teckniclly this would solve any issues with legality on the items behalf and it would go a long way in stopping people at launch from being annialated 2 birds on stone. Also to the guy who replied about sp system i believe you misunderstand what i mean by decent i was vague sorry, but the anti grind is a good thing but the thing i have problem with is that you lose sp every day you miss that you will never make back so a roll over is needed
Happy Violentime Algintal Core Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.01.21 19:49:00 - [53] - Quote DonGotti wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/en-US/10 CCP Games wrote: On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=461847#post461847 CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Barring any unforseen issues that would require another reset, this one (the reset post TQ migration) should be the last one. Seriously folks. Do your research. Seriously... DO YOURS! Well if you all go into the PSN store you will all see that it states mercenary pack will be credited in full to your in game dust 514 account after EACH RESET and for the commercial release*... This is not commercial release this is still closed Beta! QQ
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1593	Posted - 2013.01.21 19:57:00 - [54] - Quote @DonGotti Seriously dude. We as a community, an infant one at that, have much bigger issues to deal with than some stupid minor description that a lot of us here don't even care about anymore at this point. You got what you paid for. You experienced resets and after every reset you were refunded your AUR and certain items that came with the merc pack. You also experienced CCP's DEFINITION of a commercial release (welcome to permanent beta - Eve Online style) and therefore your character was reset and refunded as promised for the final time. You and I were even notified at least a week or two in advance about this final reset. Therefore, quit your whining. NO REFUND FOR YOU!
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:08:00 - [55] - Quote The point here, as far as I'm concerned,is that CCP needs to learn to communicate. Every response here is pure speculation, these concerns have not been addressed by CCP. Instead, they're fine with murky, half-ass explanations given to people who are paying real world money. Don't give a concrete description of the product you are selling people, and then intentionally get wishy washy when it's time to honor that description. I fully expected when I paid CCP $20 that I would get those items refunded at the official release, because that's exactly what CCP sold me. CCP has already verified in clear terms that the open beta is NOT the official release. For me, the only problem here is the principle. If CCP wishes to change the deal and believe they have a valid reason for not honoring it anymore, then THEY (the people who took my money) need to explain why, not let tweedle dee and tweedle dum explain their breach of contract on a BETA forum.
Grims Tooth Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:43:00 - [56] - Quote "Barring any unforseen issues that would require another reset, this one (the reset post TQ migration) should be the last one." If legal action is taken against CCP, then that would qualify as an 'unforseen issue.' They stated explicitly that there would be a full refund of items in the Merc Pack upon commercial release, and unless they remove the word beta, it is not an official release and it is false advertising. It is very much a possibility that legal action can be taken to force a reset. SONY could use legal pressure to force them to do this because they could also be liable for false advertisement. If you want to get this done, I suggest contacting SONY because they are the ones who can put the most legal pressure on CCP. Disclaimer: this is not legal advice, if you want legal advice, you should contact a lawyer or other legal proffesional.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:55:00 - [57] - Quote Luckily all builds given out are 'official releases' thus the case is dead in the water.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.21 23:09:00 - [58] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Luckily all builds given out are 'official releases' thus the case is dead in the water. that's plain BS and you know it. You're right in pointing out my error though, what we're actually talking about is the "commercial release".
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 23:43:00 - [59] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Luckily all builds given out are 'official releases' thus the case is dead in the water. that's plain BS and you know it. You're right in pointing out my error though, what we're actually talking about is the "commercial release". Well I am not the one who doesn't know how to use the petition system to get items that are missing from previously bought merc packs. And complaining to me is not going to get your items restored either.
Mdnoel1 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.01.22 00:11:00 - [60] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/en-US/10 'On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts'. Then tomorrow is the big day.. resets, refunds, clean slate. based of course on that statement. and last night, I too was told my items/money/aur would be refunded on the reset. i guess we'll just have to wait till tomorrow to see.

Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.22 00:41:00 - [61] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Luckily all builds given out are 'official releases' thus the case is dead in the water. that's plain BS and you know it. You're right in pointing out my error though, what we're actually talking about is the "commercial release". Well I am not the one who doesn't know how to use the petition system to get items that are missing from previously bought merc packs. And complaining to me is not going to get your items restored either. Again, for me, this isn't about the items as much as it is about the principle. CCP seem to think it's perfectly fine to play fast and loose with my money, and don't see a need in communicating in clear language when they decide to no longer honor the product they advertised at the time of purchase. I don't care about the items, I care about CCP's laissez faire approach to this entire process, and what it portents of future dealings within the game.
Rugman91 Deep Space Republic 143	Posted - 2013.01.22 01:23:00 - [62] - Quote What whiners some of you are. I would give you people all of my aur, if I had enough to go around, just to shut you babies up
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.22 01:31:00 - [63] - Quote Rugman91 wrote: What whiners some of you are. I would give you people all of my aur, if I had enough to go around, just to shut you babies up Well, then you are bad with money. How is it in any way "whining" to expect CCP to communicate clearly when they change the provisions of a product you've already purchased? If anything, I'd say the people bringing this up are, for the most part, being surprisingly even keeled and respectful about the whole thing.
Rugman91 Deep Space Republic 143	Posted - 2013.01.22 01:50:00 - [64] - Quote Yea man I feel you on the whole principle thing, but how much money could you guys have really lost? Anyways I think whoever suggested we may still get a refund may be correct.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1593	Posted - 2013.01.22 01:59:00 - [65] - Quote My god in heaven. So many people here acting like internet lawyers. This reminds me of some wannabe internet lawyers in Eve Online complaining that suicide ganking in high-sec space is against the Terms of Services posted by CCP because said internet lawyer calls ganking 'griefing' and that by allowing these ganks, CCP is allowing 'griefing' which is against the TOS. Silly, right?
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.22 02:05:00 - [66] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: My god in heaven. So many people here acting like internet lawyers. This reminds me of some wannabe internet lawyers in Eve Online complaining that suicide ganking in high-sec space is against the Terms of Services posted by CCP because said internet lawyer calls ganking 'griefing' and that by allowing these ganks, CCP is allowing 'griefing' which is against the TOS. Silly, right? I would say there's a pretty huge difference between what you are describing, and just straight up not giving the person the product they purchased.
Darkstar Matari MoG Militia 16	Posted - 2013.01.22 03:19:00 - [67] - Quote Now, this is not an official response or anything, but reading the description on the Merc Pack on the PSN Store, they make a point of saying "Commercial Release" separate from Beta Resets etc. Again, this is not an official response, but how I read that is when the game is Commercially Released, the particular items from the Merc Pack will be refunded. In saying this however, The 22nd is NOT Commercial Release. This is Open Beta. You will not get, and nor should you expect, the refund at this point. That refund will come on Commercial Release. To anyone continuing to say EvE is still Beta, please refer to my previous post earlier in this thread.
Kanen Serran Prototype Technology Corp. 4	Posted - 2013.01.22 03:40:00 - [68] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Gauder Berwyck wrote: And what are you guys gonna do when they don't refund it? Sue CCP/Sony? Good luck, most countries have provisions in their laws to make sure that people who are too anal about following the letter of the law won't clog the legal system with cases of meaningless lawsuits. I'm pretty sure non-refundal of AUR because of 2 different release dates falls under this category. I think you'll have more success crying to your mom, at least she can give some emotional support. I will get my money back through SOE. It won't take suing. You, however, are free to bend over and take it however you please. I won't judge. If you get your aurum refunded than any sp you gained using boosters purchased with that aurum should also be removed. still want your aurum back?
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.01.22 04:02:00 - [69] - Quote I find it hard to believe they aren't going to reset again when the game goes full release, it makes no sense to give a small group of players such an epic advantage over people who start playing when the game is out of beta.
DonGotti WarRavens 5	Posted - 2013.01.27 23:52:00 - [70] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: @DonGotti Seriously dude. We as a community, an infant one at that, have much bigger issues to deal with than some stupid minor description that a lot of us here don't even care about anymore at this point. You got what you paid for. You experienced resets and after every reset you were refunded your AUR and certain items that came with the merc pack. You also experienced CCP's DEFINITION of a commercial release (welcome to permanent beta - Eve Online style) and therefore your character was reset and refunded as promised for the final time. You and I were even notified at least a week or two in advance about this final reset. Therefore, quit your whining. NO REFUND FOR YOU! WRONG, I purchased my mercenary pack on 1/12/2013 after the last reset, and it was still displaying that message. I don't care how minor you may think it is. It clearly stated I should have been credited back, regardless I've contacted Sony filed my complaint. Any got my $20 credited back into my account. So quit your hating just because your too dumb to read fine print idiot!

Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 320	Posted - 2013.01.27 23:54:00 - [71] - Quote No _PLANNED_ wipes. If there is another wipe then we get our stuff returned to us. I have a feeling that if CCP did remove the SP cap, there'd be a reset when people are running around with several million SP after day one.


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