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tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 674	Posted - 2013.01.21 09:15:00 - [31] - Quote http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/en-US/10 'On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts'.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 674	Posted - 2013.01.21 09:21:00 - [32] - Quote It is still silly to not have a reset if there is going to be an official launch. Nothing should be carried over from the beta except BPOs that were given through events. But definitely no skill point, ISK, etc advantages[/quote] I copy you on this too! Let us keep the BPOs, cause we helped out in the events, but skip all other adv. [/quote] Open beta is technically release, since eve is still in open beta (10 years on). So there's no more resets. People keep using the 'unfair to new players' excuse but how many new people join games every day? Bf3 still has new people joining, eve still has new people joining, WOW still has new people Joining, as does DCUO, guild wars etc etc. No matter if its labeled as open beta or official release, there will always be new players in dust, and it's only a 2 week difference between the TQ migration reset for us closed testers and open beta. No big deal[/quote] eve isn't a beta what the ** does that even mean? IT's got more content than final fantasy 14. Sure maybe wow has more content as far as ti do, but how in the ** is eve online, one of the highest rated and 3rd most subscribed mmo. It's graphics are top notch, and the game has 10 years of life in it. It was surely very beta ish for the 1st 3 years as they had to build up a lot of content, like captial ships and tech 2 and the rest of the core of eve. But to say it's still in beta just blows my mind.[/quote] I was simply saying that eve has always been classed as 'permanently in beta', I am an eve vet myself 2003-2010 so it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about dude. You didn't need to chew my head off lol.
boba's fetta Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers 8	Posted - 2013.01.21 11:31:00 - [33] - Quote i have a feeling that thosse of you who bought the merc pack before the last wipe will get it refunded after dt tomorrow.
Darkstar Matari MoG Militia 16	Posted - 2013.01.21 12:22:00 - [34] - Quote Tribal, I am really not sure where that impression has come from, veteran or not. EvE Online was Officially Released on May 6, 2003. This marked the end of the 'beta' period, and the game was published/sold in stores by Simon & Schuster Interactive. CCP Later acquired the publishing rights back, and started selling it purely digitally after that. They also made a publishing deal with Valve to publish on Steam, and in 2009 Atari started publishing boxes for in-store sales again. At any rate, the game was Officially Released on May 6, 2003. This is, and always has been, CCP's view on the game. It was not, and has never, been considered Beta since that date.
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2013.01.21 12:44:00 - [35] - Quote Darkstar Matari wrote: At any rate, the game was Officially Released on May 6, 2003. This is, and always has been, CCP's view on the game. It was not, and has never, been considered Beta since that date. I dont know why this is so hard for people to comprehend. In this thread and others, those that say Eve is still in Beta dont understand the concept of expansions or DLC.
Repe Susi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 249	Posted - 2013.01.21 12:55:00 - [36] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: i have a feeling that thosse of you who bought the merc pack before the last wipe will get it refunded after dt tomorrow. Ooookay... You 'have a feeling' ? Well, I have a feeling that it isn't so. Seriously, why throw up something like that when you have nothing to back it up? Way to confuse people some more.
Doktor Worm BetaMax. 8	Posted - 2013.01.21 13:56:00 - [37] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: boba's fetta wrote: i have a feeling that thosse of you who bought the merc pack before the last wipe will get it refunded after dt tomorrow. Ooookay... You 'have a feeling' ? Well, I have a feeling that it isn't so. Seriously, why throw up something like that when you have nothing to back it up? Way to confuse people some more. Given that they have just announced they are going to increase BPO prices then perhaps they will refund aurum and remove the BPOs we already have. It would make them a bit of extra cash. Then again they may not, so I am off to buy militia BPOs for my alts!
SMiTTYCO Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 28	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:32:00 - [38] - Quote Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: If people kick up a fuss about some words on a item on the PS store then they could call that a problem and reset everyone then problem sovled aurum returned, but i have a feeling a few people would be annoyed at such a occasion to be honest id preffer to see a wipe at launch when there will hopefully be a decent sp system in place, this sp system is the worst one to date I don't think the new sp system is bad. If you could still get 100,000 sp a match then you would have prototype in a day or 2. You cap out on sp so people can't farm. How much fun would it be if everyone has prototype in a few days and everyone has every skill in a few months?
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:37:00 - [39] - Quote SMiTTYCO wrote: How much fun would it be if everyone has prototype in a few days and everyone has every skill in a few months? it would be awesome....
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 444	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:38:00 - [40] - Quote SMiTTYCO wrote: Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: If people kick up a fuss about some words on a item on the PS store then they could call that a problem and reset everyone then problem sovled aurum returned, but i have a feeling a few people would be annoyed at such a occasion to be honest id preffer to see a wipe at launch when there will hopefully be a decent sp system in place, this sp system is the worst one to date I don't think the new sp system is bad. If you could still get 100,000 sp a match then you would have prototype in a day or 2. You cap out on sp so people can't farm. How much fun would it be if everyone has prototype in a few days and everyone has every skill in a few months? Sounds like a good time, now let's see if they can fit em out.

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 296	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:44:00 - [41] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: GreasePaYN RND wrote: no. there are no more resets Wrong. The AUR must be refunded, or I will get my money back from SONY. Did you make some bad choices after they said, 'no more resets, this is it for those in the closed beta'?
Andrew Ka Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 15	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:44:00 - [42] - Quote I understood it as "No more resets (for beta)". As in, official launch will have a wipe. Would seem odd not to.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 296	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:49:00 - [43] - Quote 'On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts'. How does anyone read that as 'begin as of today, except we're really just kidding. We'll wipe and refund again in a few months when we're done with Open Beta. Seriously, no more resets, except for two more. Well, maybe three. You get to spend the same money over and over and over'? If I have to train core skills several times again the I'm done with this game.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 444	Posted - 2013.01.21 15:55:00 - [44] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: 'On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts'. How does anyone read that as 'begin as of today, except we're really just kidding. We'll wipe and refund again in a few months when we're done with Open Beta. Seriously, no more resets, except for two more. Well, maybe three. You get to spend the same money over and over and over'? If I have to train core skills several times again the I'm done with this game. Beta=doing things you don't like to see a good final product........though ya.......good god not again.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 95	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:23:00 - [45] - Quote LOL at those who made bad choices after the reset. No reset is a gift to us that have been in the closed beta. A head start with some extra goodies. To top it off we will be getting an extra 100,000 SP as well. Thanks CCP for not more resets, now bring on the fresh meat.
DonGotti WarRavens 5	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:38:00 - [46] - Quote Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: If people kick up a fuss about some words on a item on the PS store then they could call that a problem and reset everyone then problem sovled aurum returned, but i have a feeling a few people would be annoyed at such a occasion to be honest id preffer to see a wipe at launch when there will hopefully be a decent sp system in place, this sp system is the worst one to date They don't need to wipe anything, just give us a new Mercenary Pack for Beta testing and spending real money... AS PROMISED AND STATED IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE MERC PACK!!
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1593	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:44:00 - [47] - Quote http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/en-US/10 CCP Games wrote: On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=461847#post461847 CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Barring any unforseen issues that would require another reset, this one (the reset post TQ migration) should be the last one. Seriously folks. Do your research.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 95	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:53:00 - [48] - Quote LOL at persons demanding money back because of their own ignorance.
DonGotti WarRavens 5	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:54:00 - [49] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/en-US/10 CCP Games wrote: On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=461847#post461847 CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Barring any unforseen issues that would require another reset, this one (the reset post TQ migration) should be the last one. Seriously folks. Do your research. Seriously... DO YOURS! Well if you all go into the PSN store you will all see that it states mercenary pack will be credited in full to your in game dust 514 account after EACH RESET and for the commercial release*... This is not commercial release this is still closed Beta!
DonGotti WarRavens 5	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:59:00 - [50] - Quote It's very simple, the description stated we should get a new Merc. pack when out of closed Beta. We all read the same thing. I bought this because of that advantage we got, and also because it said we get it back at release. If they are not giving this back to us then they need to give us our money back.

Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1593	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:16:00 - [51] - Quote DonGotti wrote: It's very simple, the description stated we should get a new Merc. pack when out of closed Beta. We all read the same thing. I bought this because of that advantage we got, and also because it said we get it back at release. If they are not giving this back to us then they need to give us our money back. Then CCP will have to update those descriptions then. With all the press, with all the announcements they made, and with all the months of early warning we were given about this recent decision, we might as well consider the recent wipe as the "commercial" release. Good luck getting a refund from CCP. EDIT: I stopped paying attention the merc pack descriptions beyond the basic content they provided.
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 126	Posted - 2013.01.21 19:11:00 - [52] - Quote DonGotti wrote: Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: If people kick up a fuss about some words on a item on the PS store then they could call that a problem and reset everyone then problem sovled aurum returned, but i have a feeling a few people would be annoyed at such a occasion to be honest id preffer to see a wipe at launch when there will hopefully be a decent sp system in place, this sp system is the worst one to date They don't need to wipe anything, just give us a new Mercenary Pack for Beta testing and spending real money... AS PROMISED AND STATED IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE MERC PACK!! You have got what you payed for a merc pack which will be there till launch therefore its already granted if you dont use the contents you will still have them at launch, I think if people complain about this so much about some little peice of writing on a virtual item then they may as well rest everything like they did before at least them they dont have the hassel of dealing with it, teckniclly this would solve any issues with legality on the items behalf and it would go a long way in stopping people at launch from being annialated 2 birds on stone. Also to the guy who replied about sp system i believe you misunderstand what i mean by decent i was vague sorry, but the anti grind is a good thing but the thing i have problem with is that you lose sp every day you miss that you will never make back so a roll over is needed
Happy Violentime Algintal Core Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.01.21 19:49:00 - [53] - Quote DonGotti wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/en-US/10 CCP Games wrote: On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=461847#post461847 CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Barring any unforseen issues that would require another reset, this one (the reset post TQ migration) should be the last one. Seriously folks. Do your research. Seriously... DO YOURS! Well if you all go into the PSN store you will all see that it states mercenary pack will be credited in full to your in game dust 514 account after EACH RESET and for the commercial release*... This is not commercial release this is still closed Beta! QQ
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1593	Posted - 2013.01.21 19:57:00 - [54] - Quote @DonGotti Seriously dude. We as a community, an infant one at that, have much bigger issues to deal with than some stupid minor description that a lot of us here don't even care about anymore at this point. You got what you paid for. You experienced resets and after every reset you were refunded your AUR and certain items that came with the merc pack. You also experienced CCP's DEFINITION of a commercial release (welcome to permanent beta - Eve Online style) and therefore your character was reset and refunded as promised for the final time. You and I were even notified at least a week or two in advance about this final reset. Therefore, quit your whining. NO REFUND FOR YOU!
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:08:00 - [55] - Quote The point here, as far as I'm concerned,is that CCP needs to learn to communicate. Every response here is pure speculation, these concerns have not been addressed by CCP. Instead, they're fine with murky, half-ass explanations given to people who are paying real world money. Don't give a concrete description of the product you are selling people, and then intentionally get wishy washy when it's time to honor that description. I fully expected when I paid CCP $20 that I would get those items refunded at the official release, because that's exactly what CCP sold me. CCP has already verified in clear terms that the open beta is NOT the official release. For me, the only problem here is the principle. If CCP wishes to change the deal and believe they have a valid reason for not honoring it anymore, then THEY (the people who took my money) need to explain why, not let tweedle dee and tweedle dum explain their breach of contract on a BETA forum.
Grims Tooth Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:43:00 - [56] - Quote "Barring any unforseen issues that would require another reset, this one (the reset post TQ migration) should be the last one." If legal action is taken against CCP, then that would qualify as an 'unforseen issue.' They stated explicitly that there would be a full refund of items in the Merc Pack upon commercial release, and unless they remove the word beta, it is not an official release and it is false advertising. It is very much a possibility that legal action can be taken to force a reset. SONY could use legal pressure to force them to do this because they could also be liable for false advertisement. If you want to get this done, I suggest contacting SONY because they are the ones who can put the most legal pressure on CCP. Disclaimer: this is not legal advice, if you want legal advice, you should contact a lawyer or other legal proffesional.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:55:00 - [57] - Quote Luckily all builds given out are 'official releases' thus the case is dead in the water.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.21 23:09:00 - [58] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Luckily all builds given out are 'official releases' thus the case is dead in the water. that's plain BS and you know it. You're right in pointing out my error though, what we're actually talking about is the "commercial release".
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 23:43:00 - [59] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Luckily all builds given out are 'official releases' thus the case is dead in the water. that's plain BS and you know it. You're right in pointing out my error though, what we're actually talking about is the "commercial release". Well I am not the one who doesn't know how to use the petition system to get items that are missing from previously bought merc packs. And complaining to me is not going to get your items restored either.
Mdnoel1 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.01.22 00:11:00 - [60] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/en-US/10 'On January 22nd the wait will be over when Open Beta begins, but for DUST 514 mercenaries currently in the closed beta test, careers truly begin as of today. With no further character resets planned, every shot, every battle and every contract now counts'. Then tomorrow is the big day.. resets, refunds, clean slate. based of course on that statement. and last night, I too was told my items/money/aur would be refunded on the reset. i guess we'll just have to wait till tomorrow to see.



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