First of covering the grenades.

I think flux and AV grenades need some tweaking currently the standard varients are very powerful. I would like to see them tweaked so the standard lose 300 damage overall and the advanced take a 200 damage nerf and have the proto will stay the same. This will teir these grenades to there counter parts of vehicles. Standard will work great at against millitant. Advanced against standard tanks and people will want to skill into proto to better handle proto tanks.
Reasonable, but I would like to make a different suggestion. Add militia AV grenades that do as damage as you say the standard grenades should, and let you carry two instead of three. The less educated and the more frugal will be drawn to these grenades, and you will see a significant decrease in people using the standard variant, giving tankers a chance and also not making AV people mad with a nerf.

Second for the grenades I do think there needs to be longer throw time between grenade tosses. This should not be something you use as a primary force to kill tanks It should be something you start off with to break down a little HP or something you use to finish a tank low on heallth. Currently I can use standard lvl AV grenades as my primary force in melting tanks I do not need swarms or forge I just run behind a wall through down nano hives and as the tank drives by start chucking and get a easy kill. This will make forges and swarms the primary force in AVing tanks as it should be.
Once again, this is a reasonable idea, but my own suggestion differs. Make a cooldown timer on earning grenades via supply depots and nanohives, not nerfing AV, but limiting their exploit of infinite grenade spamming.

Next AV advantages against shield or armor. Currently I think the only thing that is making armor tanks considered is the bonus is to high. I personally think swarms should only gain a 5% bonus against armor and have only a 93% effectiveness against shields. You gain effectiveness for using it against armor tanks but it is not to the point that it is over effective like swarms currently are. Same with any AV that comes out with bonus against shield tanks.
Yes.

Now onto forges and swarms.

I was talking to one of our forge users Kain Spero about his AVing experiences at the end right before the reset. And what he said was I never needed to use my proto forges why spend the money when I can do the same job with my advanced forge.

This statement really shows that running proto AV is not necesary you do not need to risk much to take out a fully pimped out proto tank. People should have to run proto AV if they want to effeciently take down proto HAVs LAVs and dropships.
Sure.

Now with that being said I think Millitant/standard swarms need to loose 250 and millitant/standard forges need to loose 300 damage Advanced swarms need to take a 200 damage nerf and advance forges need to take a 250 damage nerf. Proto can be left alone.
Disagree. Swarm launchers are by no means overpowered.

Also on forges they 315m range is a little high I think it needs to be ton down a little militant forges should be only hitting 140m standard 200m advanced 225m proto 250m.
I only agree to this if large railgun turrets also get this range nerf.

Militant swarms need to take 100m off there range. standard needs to loose 50m of there current range advanced should hold there current range and proto should gain another 50m on there range
No, no, no, please no. Swarm launchers are anti-air just as much as they are anti-tank, and a range nerf would ruin their ability to take out dropships.

This will teir out AV to there classes If someone wants to destroy proto vehicles effectively they will have to invest there skill points and isk for the job.

REWARDING AV for their efforts:
Yes to all of that.

I'm pretty happy with AV vs. vehicles right now. It doesn't seem too lopsided in either direction.

I'm pretty happy with AV vs. vehicles right now. It doesn't seem too lopsided in either direction.

AV grenades seem fine as-is. If infantry are able to get close enough to you to use grenades, you're doing it wrong. Tanks shouldn't feel like they can just drive around, solo, and expect to stomp the entire team. Powerful AV grenades are the reward for infantry who manage to get close to tanks, either because the tank has no infantry support, or because the tank drove into an area with a lot of cover for infantry to attack from. I'm totally cool with tanks being easy to take out if they fight unsupported. Team games should emphasize teamwork. Lone players ought to lose every time. That includes people driving around in a tank, heedless of what their allies are up to.

The balance between swarms/forge guns and tanks is a harder thing to discuss. I believe it's more a mathematical equation than something you can talk about anecdotally with any sort of authority. I'll leave it in CCP's hands, in that case. Whatever their data shows as far as the effectiveness of these weapons against tanks, I'll go with. But for what it's worth, I don't think it was such a major imbalance last build, and it won't be much different this one once people get rolling with the proto tanks.

also from a logic aspect I find the damage forgeguns compared to railguns laughable, how does a handheld weapon do more damage then a vehicle mounted weapon?

And +1 to you post Caeli

LAVs need to be worth 65 wp, dropships need to be worth 90 wp and HAVs should be worth 175 wp.

The changes read fine and agree with them but also a couple of things you have missed out

1. FG should never do more damage than a vehicle mounted railgun

2. AV grenades need to lose the homing ability they have since you can be quite far away but still throw nades and know they will hit anyways because of the homing crap since the game makes up for the players bad positioning

1. Equally mounted rail guns shouldn't have scopes because forge guns don't also they should make the vehicle there slow or stop while firing because that what forge guns do. also tanks with rail guns shouldn't move faster than a heavy with a forge gun.

2. tanks shouldn't be able to move and fire. firing should totally disable movement for a few seconds.

AV vs. vehicles is currently lopsided in the direction of AV. At the end of last build a proto forge could 3 shot a proto sagaris. To me that is imbalanced.

What you need to ask your self is how many people should it take to take down a well fit tank? To me it should take 4 or more guys to take down a proto tank if they are using militia or standard av, 3 guys using advanced, and 2 guys rocking proto.

also from a logic aspect I find the damage forgeguns compared to railguns laughable, how does a handheld weapon do more damage then a vehicle mounted weapon?

And +1 to you post Caeli

I am glad that I am getting good response.

Hope ccp can take some of this in consideration. Make AV a actual career choice but reward them correctly for it.

Zdogg also brought up a good thing. Lately everyone has been talking about tanks need to be a team effort that is why you are getting killed. AV also needs to be a team effort and currently it is not one. Soloing vehicles is very possible as a AV person. And they need that to be team effort also.

Forge guns need their range increased and accuracy improved. Hitting a tank at 200m can be difficult because of the inaccuracy, especially when you have to worry about avoiding all infantry and the tank itself. Stack that on the fact that the round has travel time, you may need to move to keep with your target, and the target can hide the majority of itself while still able to easily hit the AV.

I would gladly trade 10-20% of my forgegun damage for improved range and accuracy (Also a scope would be helpful).

I support the OP's message. if anyone really thinks av vs vehicles are balanced. please drive a tank and find out for yourself.

+1

AV is ridiculous, especially its range and people defending its range just want to keep their GETRIDOFTHEVEHICLE Button.
Since this new spawn system for ambuh happened, everyone has decided to sit on the red line firing swarms at the Dropship with no consequence, we can't snipe them due to them being hidden away, we cannot use infantry because of how far into the redzone they are and we cannot fly over to kill them because the **** deals 1200 damage. So then we're pinned at our Red line having to fly further into the redzone just to escape it because we can't even tank the damage lol.

(Just my point on range, most people forget about the other vehicles "BUT MY FORGE GUN CANT KILL THE TANK!" but you can certainly two shot my Dropship no matter what mods are on it)

It should take a squad of dudes to kill ur tank worth 2 million isk and what like 3 million Skill points about (i never had Proto) its probably like 3 million for the tank and mods/turrets and 4 million worth of SP. +1 +1+1 to anything that brings tanks to the level they should be at.