... get a headshot?

I really dont see the issue, you still down a good portion of his/her hp making the person an easy wipe up target for other players. Why should you be granted a weapon that autokills any suit above militia?

Last thing i want to see is more bluedots sticking to the hills thinking they are helping the team by padding thier k/d, sincerely no offense intended OP but more dmg is definitely not needed.

headshot is pretty much a one shot kill to all but heavies granted it's hard to get but if u do u feel very satisfied. As far as damage goes it's fine. I hate snipers enough no need to buff them. Lol

I don't know but ask some dude named RED EYE DEMON. He has an OP sniper...

Edit: I have 50 thales and I don't snipe, any trades?

As a sniper I have mixed feelings about this as I only tend to die by being counter-sniped and my elite fitting is tanked with shields and armor to up my survivability (357 shield/294 armr) so I can typically survive two body shots and I like that.

I do feel CCP went in the wrong direction this Build bringing the stats of militia and proto weapons closer. I only run the Ishukone because I have plenty of ISK, otherwise mathematically it doesn't make much sense. It's much cheaper it run a basic sniper rifle with a complex damage mod to get the same damage as a proto rifle for roughly 26K ISK less.

190 x 1.1 = 209 (15,000 ISK)
209 x 1.0 = 209 (41,000 ISK)

Unlike the TAR-07 which has a much higher zoom (and dmg) there is no difference between the basic and proto rifles that I'm aware of. If CCP wants to keep the damage levels closer together they need to find other ways to differentiate between the different levels of weapons within the sniper class. They could do a number of things such as increase zoom, increase RPM, increase clip size, increase max ammo...anything to add some value to the proto gear because right now the numbers don't add up.



I'll trade you 5 Surya's and 20 Prometheus and 15 Eryx's for the Thale's (I wish...)

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

I don't snipe much but when I do , I do WORK

Sniping the driver of an LAV while moving
Picking of targets over 500+M with a 1 shot

So not much to complain about.

OP, your math is wrong. You assume you do 100% damage and that you only have one damage mod.

I have 3x Complex Damage Mods, Weaponry lv5, Prof. lv4, and I used the Ish.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

better yet, get rid of the entire sniper tree, the game would be better without sniper rifles

OP, your math is wrong. You assume you do 100% damage and that you only have one damage mod.

I have 3x Complex Damage Mods, Weaponry lv5, Prof. lv4, and I used the Ish. Even with new patch, I still one shot most suits. I don't know if it's the same for snipers, but ARs do 90% damage to limbs, 110% damage to body, and 165% damage to head. It's designed perfectly right now so that only dedicated snipers (keyword: dedicated. Max all sniping skills dedicated) can one shot people. That's how it should be.

If you want a OSOK sniper, then use the charge sniper. If I remember, it does 266 base, you just have to charge it up before every shot.

Why are you only using one light damage modifier. A sniper would benefit from as many damage modifiers they can fit if they aren't focusing on tanking with shields.

When you're a sniper and you're across the map in some cases,

It's hard enough sometimes that you have to be literally exact with you're shot. In most cases, the sniper will miss. 60% of the time I'll miss because it's very difficult to do and having to do it again after finally hitting them is frustrating and I'm well experienced.

It's like saying that a player has played Dust 514 for 5 years and a brand new player comes along with the basic assault suit and doesn't die. It's like you've wasted all that time developing your sniper rifle skills and there's no pay off.

No offense is taken btw

This is not a rant, seriously!


Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.


What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

We are just going through an awkward time with the protogear nerf, either it changes and til then you have to aim for the head or it's not going to change so you might as well practice aiming for the head

...you choose

When you're a sniper and you're across the map in some cases, it's like trying to shoot a penny in a wide open field. It's extremely hard to do. I don't expect to one shot suits above militia due to the opposing player obviously having extenders and soforth. It's the very basic of armor that shouldn't withstand a maxed out sniper rifle after putting a ton of time into increasing it's strengths.

It's hard enough sometimes that you have to be literally exact with you're shot. In most cases, the sniper will miss. 60% of the time I'll miss because it's very difficult to do and having to do it again after finally hitting them is frustrating and I'm well experienced.

It's like saying that a player has played Dust 514 for 5 years and a brand new player comes along with the basic assault suit and doesn't die. It's like you've wasted all that time developing your sniper rifle skills and there's no pay off.

No offense is taken btw

I don't think sniper rifles need a buff, they're deadly in the right hands. I don't know what the head shot multiplier is, but it is almost a guaranteed kill if you land it. I do snipe from time to time, mainly to clear out snipers from the map, or when I am solo and my team is not doing a good job. I use a charge sniper rifle with 3 complex damage modifiers on a B series suit, it is almost always one shot kill, if your requested buff was implemented, next thing snipers will be taking out LAVs and HAVs.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

While you make some good points I think as snipers we have a good life. Just adapt your suit and try out different things.

This is what I roll and I can one shot kill about 90% of the time as long as its not a heavy, although heavies are so slow that head shots are easy.

Logi type A
Charge Sniper Rifle - 266
Weaponry lvl 5 - 10% = +26.6
Sniper Proficiency lvl 5 - 15% = +39.9
(3) complex light damage mods= ??? even with a stacking penalty worth it because like in EVE you will get maybe 8-9% on the second, but it is based off of the new total damage. 10% of 266 is 26.6, add those... 292.6 the second mod is 23.4 (at 8%) which is not much of a drop. The third will be more, but I'll take every drop to one shot kill almost anything out there. This is how I add it up....

Charge Sniper 266
+1st damage mod @ 10% = 292.6
+2nd damage mod @ 8% = 316
+3rd damage mod @ 6% = 334.96

I use the base to calculate the percentages for each new addition like I have shown above and add them together, which leaves
334.96 + weaponry lvl 5 (26.6) = 361.56 + Sniper proficiency lvl 5 (39.9) = 401.46

So basically if someone is walking around with anything less than 401 between shield and armor they are dead.

I believe the way I add it all up is correct or at least as close as can be - could even be on the conservative side.

Would enjoy to hear others thoughts though...

This is not a rant, seriously!

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

Still waiting on that Anti-material rifle.....................

I don't know but ask some dude named RED EYE DEMON. He has an OP sniper...

Edit: I have 50 thales and I don't snipe, any trades?

No they don't, and here's why:

Because sniping is a playstyle that contributes to those who do not contribute, the only reason it is in this game is because people would whine and cry if CCP removed it. I still get one-shotted by body-shots, not headshots, and I have a 500 total HP.

snipping contributes plenty. If you are getting one-shot (with 500hp)you are getting hit by a thales. As a dedicated sniper, the majority of what i do is relay enemy postions and light up targets for the rest of the team. I know that i am hated by red dots because i can ussally draw 3-4 players from the battle to try to counter snipe me. So now the rest of the team is only fighting against 12-13 players. How is that not contributing? People that think snipping is not contributing seems to be the same people that continue to run in a straight line across an open area and then complain when they die.

i say leave the rifles they way they are....they are fine once you spec up some.

Yes i shoot from far away, and yes you could call what we do as taking potshots...but either i kill em or my team finishes them off.
Nothing wrong with softening targets for fellow team members. On the note of sitting in the back and shooting across the map. I dont seem to understand why people get so mad that i speced into maxing out my range (to avaoid anyone getting close enough to kill me) while they would spec into shield and armor to stay alive on their own class. (Note: if the damage is increased we will all still use 3 complex mods)

No they don't, and here's why:

Because sniping is a playstyle that contributes to those who do not contribute, the only reason it is in this game is because people would whine and cry if CCP removed it. I still get one-shotted by body-shots, not headshots, and I have a 500 total HP.

Hay I've invested alot of skill points in sniper skills, I don't mind the set up as is. For those that think snipers don't get killed alot, that is not total true. I spend a good bit of time, scanning hills/buildings looking for snipers because they tend to be easier kills; that general turns in to me being hunted by other snipers. I general go for headshot, and I have noticed that for the more experienced players (the guys running around in proto's) they tend move around a lot even when they aren't going anywhere which makes it harder to line up headshots. I'm fine with the way it is.

I wouldn't mind if CCP removed sniping, as I know how annoying it can be when playing anyhting other than. I would hope they would refund my SP, otherwise; yeah I would be a little upset if they did.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

Whhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ?

Those snipers with absolutely no recoil that already 2-shot most infantry with the standard iteration would need a buff ? I can rock a game 32-1 with my standard snipe with just sharpshooter 4, snipe operation 1 and a damage mod.
Come on let's be serious for a moment.....

Still waiting on that Anti-material rifle.....................

Way to bring a thread back from the dead.

I'll gladly agree to give all SR across the board a 25% dmg buff...
... as soon as they get some damn scope sway!

No! Please don't even think about that. That will make the charge sniper rifle better than a thale. 25% more damage means the charge sniper will have 266 + 45 = 311 damage. Slap on a couple of damage mods and tit will take the dmage to 370+.

You don't need a scope for the charge sniper. The little charge reticle works well as a great aim assist. Imagine a 400 damage shotgun!

400 dmg shotgun... that'd be a nerfed shotgun!

No. Sniping is easy as hell at the moment. No sway when crouched, no ballistics, no bullet drop, no distance damage drop, it's ridiculously easy to get tons of kills and no deaths with it. After all of the above is implemented, and you're still not going above 10-0, then you can ask for a damage boost.

you kill me twice and I have your exact position, respawn as a sniper, put two in your chest, then laugh since you now have to waste another dropship to get back up that building/risk being farmed by using an uplink since that position is rather obviously covered. then whip out my pistol, kill that assault who thinks he's clever, rushing the sniper. walk over to the supply depot and pick my regular assault rifle and pistol combo back.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

never used a drop ship to get into position before, But i am loving how in your example here, i kill you twice and you kill me once. See you on the field to see how well you can implement this in game. Tough to camp an up link that i don't use.

I still say leave the guns alone. There are alot of bad snipers out there, but there are just as many bad assults and heavies as well.

I instill the fear of mortality in them.

I am trash player.

Haha.
No you don't.

better yet, get rid of the entire sniper tree, the game would be better without sniper rifles

I must add that as much as I dislike snipers, I also love them. That is, when they actually provide cover and support. To the sniper who provided me OUTSTANDING support whoever you may be, I salute you! By him(her) taking down the shields of those who spawned around the objective, panicked them and guaranteed me kills, the two of us demonstrated teamwork to its fullest.

Why can't all you snipers be like that? :')