OP, your math is wrong. You assume you do 100% damage and that you only have one damage mod.

I have 3x Complex Damage Mods, Weaponry lv5, Prof. lv4, and I used the Ish.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

better yet, get rid of the entire sniper tree, the game would be better without sniper rifles

OP, your math is wrong. You assume you do 100% damage and that you only have one damage mod.

I have 3x Complex Damage Mods, Weaponry lv5, Prof. lv4, and I used the Ish. Even with new patch, I still one shot most suits. I don't know if it's the same for snipers, but ARs do 90% damage to limbs, 110% damage to body, and 165% damage to head. It's designed perfectly right now so that only dedicated snipers (keyword: dedicated. Max all sniping skills dedicated) can one shot people. That's how it should be.

If you want a OSOK sniper, then use the charge sniper. If I remember, it does 266 base, you just have to charge it up before every shot.

Why are you only using one light damage modifier. A sniper would benefit from as many damage modifiers they can fit if they aren't focusing on tanking with shields.

When you're a sniper and you're across the map in some cases,

It's hard enough sometimes that you have to be literally exact with you're shot. In most cases, the sniper will miss. 60% of the time I'll miss because it's very difficult to do and having to do it again after finally hitting them is frustrating and I'm well experienced.

It's like saying that a player has played Dust 514 for 5 years and a brand new player comes along with the basic assault suit and doesn't die. It's like you've wasted all that time developing your sniper rifle skills and there's no pay off.

No offense is taken btw

This is not a rant, seriously!


Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.


What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

We are just going through an awkward time with the protogear nerf, either it changes and til then you have to aim for the head or it's not going to change so you might as well practice aiming for the head

...you choose

When you're a sniper and you're across the map in some cases, it's like trying to shoot a penny in a wide open field. It's extremely hard to do. I don't expect to one shot suits above militia due to the opposing player obviously having extenders and soforth. It's the very basic of armor that shouldn't withstand a maxed out sniper rifle after putting a ton of time into increasing it's strengths.

It's hard enough sometimes that you have to be literally exact with you're shot. In most cases, the sniper will miss. 60% of the time I'll miss because it's very difficult to do and having to do it again after finally hitting them is frustrating and I'm well experienced.

It's like saying that a player has played Dust 514 for 5 years and a brand new player comes along with the basic assault suit and doesn't die. It's like you've wasted all that time developing your sniper rifle skills and there's no pay off.

No offense is taken btw

I don't think sniper rifles need a buff, they're deadly in the right hands. I don't know what the head shot multiplier is, but it is almost a guaranteed kill if you land it. I do snipe from time to time, mainly to clear out snipers from the map, or when I am solo and my team is not doing a good job. I use a charge sniper rifle with 3 complex damage modifiers on a B series suit, it is almost always one shot kill, if your requested buff was implemented, next thing snipers will be taking out LAVs and HAVs.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

While you make some good points I think as snipers we have a good life. Just adapt your suit and try out different things.

This is what I roll and I can one shot kill about 90% of the time as long as its not a heavy, although heavies are so slow that head shots are easy.

Logi type A
Charge Sniper Rifle - 266
Weaponry lvl 5 - 10% = +26.6
Sniper Proficiency lvl 5 - 15% = +39.9
(3) complex light damage mods= ??? even with a stacking penalty worth it because like in EVE you will get maybe 8-9% on the second, but it is based off of the new total damage. 10% of 266 is 26.6, add those... 292.6 the second mod is 23.4 (at 8%) which is not much of a drop. The third will be more, but I'll take every drop to one shot kill almost anything out there. This is how I add it up....

Charge Sniper 266
+1st damage mod @ 10% = 292.6
+2nd damage mod @ 8% = 316
+3rd damage mod @ 6% = 334.96

I use the base to calculate the percentages for each new addition like I have shown above and add them together, which leaves
334.96 + weaponry lvl 5 (26.6) = 361.56 + Sniper proficiency lvl 5 (39.9) = 401.46

So basically if someone is walking around with anything less than 401 between shield and armor they are dead.

I believe the way I add it all up is correct or at least as close as can be - could even be on the conservative side.

Would enjoy to hear others thoughts though...

This is not a rant, seriously!

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300