DUST Search - CCP: Sniper rifles need a damage increase

Hauker Due wrote:

StealthReborn wrote:

This is not a rant, seriously! Blink

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good. Sad

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated! Smile

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

While you make some good points I think as snipers we have a good life. Just adapt your suit and try out different things.

This is what I roll and I can one shot kill about 90% of the time as long as its not a heavy, although heavies are so slow that head shots are easy.

Logi type A
Charge Sniper Rifle - 266
Weaponry lvl 5 - 10% = +26.6
Sniper Proficiency lvl 5 - 15% = +39.9
(3) complex light damage mods= ??? even with a stacking penalty worth it because like in EVE you will get maybe 8-9% on the second, but it is based off of the new total damage. 10% of 266 is 26.6, add those... 292.6 the second mod is 23.4 (at 8%) which is not much of a drop. The third will be more, but I'll take every drop to one shot kill almost anything out there. This is how I add it up....

Charge Sniper 266
+1st damage mod @ 10% = 292.6
+2nd damage mod @ 8% = 316
+3rd damage mod @ 6% = 334.96

I use the base to calculate the percentages for each new addition like I have shown above and add them together, which leaves
334.96 + weaponry lvl 5 (26.6) = 361.56 + Sniper proficiency lvl 5 (39.9) = 401.46

So basically if someone is walking around with anything less than 401 between shield and armor they are dead.

I believe the way I add it all up is correct or at least as close as can be - could even be on the conservative side.

Would enjoy to hear others thoughts though...


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ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 32	Posted - 2013.03.22 01:58:00 - [1] - Quote Hauker Due wrote: StealthReborn wrote: *This is not a rant, seriously!* I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving. If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them. Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper. Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear. Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor. NT-511: 200 damage. Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage Complex light damage module: +10% damage 200 x .35 = 70 200 + 70 = 270 NT-511 max damage output: 270 Basic assault armor = 300 So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this: 210 x .35 = 73.5 210 + 73.5 = 283.5 Isukone max damage output: 283.5 Basic assault armor = 300 So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense. Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit. For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good. Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated! What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming. While you make some good points I think as snipers we have a good life. Just adapt your suit and try out different things. This is what I roll and I can one shot kill about 90% of the time as long as its not a heavy, although heavies are so slow that head shots are easy. Logi type A Charge Sniper Rifle - 266 Weaponry lvl 5 - 10% = +26.6 Sniper Proficiency lvl 5 - 15% = +39.9 (3) complex light damage mods= ??? even with a stacking penalty worth it because like in EVE you will get maybe 8-9% on the second, but it is based off of the new total damage. 10% of 266 is 26.6, add those... 292.6 the second mod is 23.4 (at 8%) which is not much of a drop. The third will be more, but I'll take every drop to one shot kill almost anything out there. This is how I add it up.... Charge Sniper 266 +1st damage mod @ 10% = 292.6 +2nd damage mod @ 8% = 316 +3rd damage mod @ 6% = 334.96 I use the base to calculate the percentages for each new addition like I have shown above and add them together, which leaves 334.96 + weaponry lvl 5 (26.6) = 361.56 + Sniper proficiency lvl 5 (39.9) = 401.46 So basically if someone is walking around with anything less than 401 between shield and armor they are dead. I believe the way I add it all up is correct or at least as close as can be - could even be on the conservative side. Would enjoy to hear others thoughts though... yea but the stackinng of damage mods is a bonus as it stands so its. i rounded off to lowest @10%=292.6 @11%=321 @12%=353 @13%(fouth)=388 388+26.6+39.9=454 so yea one shot basically everything. heavies just go for the head and u get your one shot. logi tanks may tank 2 shots and limb away in total fear but super rare case