Still waiting on that Anti-material rifle.....................

I don't know but ask some dude named RED EYE DEMON. He has an OP sniper...

Edit: I have 50 thales and I don't snipe, any trades?

No they don't, and here's why:

Because sniping is a playstyle that contributes to those who do not contribute, the only reason it is in this game is because people would whine and cry if CCP removed it. I still get one-shotted by body-shots, not headshots, and I have a 500 total HP.

snipping contributes plenty. If you are getting one-shot (with 500hp)you are getting hit by a thales. As a dedicated sniper, the majority of what i do is relay enemy postions and light up targets for the rest of the team. I know that i am hated by red dots because i can ussally draw 3-4 players from the battle to try to counter snipe me. So now the rest of the team is only fighting against 12-13 players. How is that not contributing? People that think snipping is not contributing seems to be the same people that continue to run in a straight line across an open area and then complain when they die.

i say leave the rifles they way they are....they are fine once you spec up some.

Yes i shoot from far away, and yes you could call what we do as taking potshots...but either i kill em or my team finishes them off.
Nothing wrong with softening targets for fellow team members. On the note of sitting in the back and shooting across the map. I dont seem to understand why people get so mad that i speced into maxing out my range (to avaoid anyone getting close enough to kill me) while they would spec into shield and armor to stay alive on their own class. (Note: if the damage is increased we will all still use 3 complex mods)

No they don't, and here's why:

Because sniping is a playstyle that contributes to those who do not contribute, the only reason it is in this game is because people would whine and cry if CCP removed it. I still get one-shotted by body-shots, not headshots, and I have a 500 total HP.

Hay I've invested alot of skill points in sniper skills, I don't mind the set up as is. For those that think snipers don't get killed alot, that is not total true. I spend a good bit of time, scanning hills/buildings looking for snipers because they tend to be easier kills; that general turns in to me being hunted by other snipers. I general go for headshot, and I have noticed that for the more experienced players (the guys running around in proto's) they tend move around a lot even when they aren't going anywhere which makes it harder to line up headshots. I'm fine with the way it is.

I wouldn't mind if CCP removed sniping, as I know how annoying it can be when playing anyhting other than. I would hope they would refund my SP, otherwise; yeah I would be a little upset if they did.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

Whhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ?

Those snipers with absolutely no recoil that already 2-shot most infantry with the standard iteration would need a buff ? I can rock a game 32-1 with my standard snipe with just sharpshooter 4, snipe operation 1 and a damage mod.
Come on let's be serious for a moment.....

Still waiting on that Anti-material rifle.....................

Way to bring a thread back from the dead.

I'll gladly agree to give all SR across the board a 25% dmg buff...
... as soon as they get some damn scope sway!

No! Please don't even think about that. That will make the charge sniper rifle better than a thale. 25% more damage means the charge sniper will have 266 + 45 = 311 damage. Slap on a couple of damage mods and tit will take the dmage to 370+.

You don't need a scope for the charge sniper. The little charge reticle works well as a great aim assist. Imagine a 400 damage shotgun!

400 dmg shotgun... that'd be a nerfed shotgun!

No. Sniping is easy as hell at the moment. No sway when crouched, no ballistics, no bullet drop, no distance damage drop, it's ridiculously easy to get tons of kills and no deaths with it. After all of the above is implemented, and you're still not going above 10-0, then you can ask for a damage boost.

you kill me twice and I have your exact position, respawn as a sniper, put two in your chest, then laugh since you now have to waste another dropship to get back up that building/risk being farmed by using an uplink since that position is rather obviously covered. then whip out my pistol, kill that assault who thinks he's clever, rushing the sniper. walk over to the supply depot and pick my regular assault rifle and pistol combo back.

This is not a rant, seriously!

I've been sniping for awhile now and have noticed a few things. That it takes alot of practice to become good and takes alot of patience. However, earning the kill even after acquiring such skills is unforgiving.

If you take a solid sniper rifle like the NT-511, it outputs per shot 199.5/damage (so lets just make it 200). The very basic assault suit of an opponent totaling there shield and armor is 300, (125 shield + 175 armor). So essentially I'll have to put at least two perfectly aimed shots into the opposing player, (pending no headshot) in order to kill them.

Now if a player doesn't have the experience, it might get frustrating at times seeing that when they finally do score a hit on an opposing player, they don't go down. Furthermore, after awhile of course, players obtain better equipment and soforth to increase there chances of not going down easily. Now that's perfectly normal and fine, except for the sniper.

Generally, the vast majority of sniper rifles today, or even in the future like Dust 514, sniper rifles are aimed at taking out most players with one bullet. One shot one kill. Of course if a player has boosted himself to take more damage and a player with a sniper snipes him/her, then at least ~80% of there health should disappear.

Lets look at some stats with a pretty much "maxed out" NT-511 and compare it to just the basic assault armor.

NT-511: 200 damage.

Weaponry skill (lvl 5): +10% damage
Sniper proficiency (lvl 5): +15% damage
Complex light damage module: +10% damage

200 x .35 = 70
200 + 70 = 270

NT-511 max damage output: 270
Basic assault armor = 300

So as you can see, even with a maxed out NT-511 sniper rifle, a single shot can't take down just the basic of assault suits. Now of course I realize that eventually I'll be able to get a Isukone sniper rifle that puts out 210 damage per shot. However even with that you'll end up with this:

210 x .35 = 73.5
210 + 73.5 = 283.5
Isukone max damage output: 283.5
Basic assault armor = 300

So even with a top-tier sniper rifle, you can't take even the basic of things down. You might say to yourself, "Yeah, so what?". Well to max out all those skills for damage, you're looking at probably around ~2,000,000+ SP to achieve and yet you're still left with 2 shotting some players? It just doesn't make any sense.

Heavies on the other hand are completely understandable as they're meant to take multiple bullets from pretty much everything with the exception of tanks and airships. So putting 3-4 shots into a heavy in understandable. But not you're average joe with a basic assault suit.

For these reasons I think that there should an increase in sniper rifle damage output. As an experienced sniper in the game, I do very well. However, having to put excess amount of bullets just to take one person down is very frustrating. So how do you think new players or even first time snipers would feel? Not very good.

Thanks to everyone who has read this, it's appreciated!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this? Please no flaming.

never used a drop ship to get into position before, But i am loving how in your example here, i kill you twice and you kill me once. See you on the field to see how well you can implement this in game. Tough to camp an up link that i don't use.

I still say leave the guns alone. There are alot of bad snipers out there, but there are just as many bad assults and heavies as well.

I instill the fear of mortality in them.

I am trash player.