what annoys me the most every scrub that is about to lose a gunfight instantly throws a grenade. My impression is that "Sir spam alot" has left his sign on grenades.

Yes the one tool EVERYONE has is OP, give me break dude.

We can discuss Throwing mechanics being weird and kinda sloppy but to cry OP constantly is simply tedious and non productive.

I disagree.
He wasn't crying, he is simply giving his opinion on grenades.

I think they're an insta-win button tbh. Kids not having the 1v1 go their way? Militia Locus

The 2-sec timer is a bit ridiculous imo.
5 secs would be awesome. A fire fight between 2 people is usually over before 5 secs (unless you're having a Fail Fest and both miss almost your entire mag. Don't pretend its never happened to you before) so it would make throwing a grenade a waste of time in situations like that.

I hate everything you post, but I agree with this. The 2 second timer makes Thukkers useless.

Mr. Babar, do people really care that much about grenades?



I'm just tired of killing someone
and watching them die
seeing the +50
Then they have a grenade come out of their dead arms landing at my feet and killing me...'


oh yea and this


MAG 2

The short answer is yes, at least I do.

I don't think I would mind really if it hadn't been for the previous brilliant mechanics in this game. Compared to MAG where I come from, well, I never used them in MAG. I stuck with the AR or SMG or Sniper, watch just about any MAG wid there is with nades being thrown and you'll see even the very best of players more or less just spamming them at long range. Here we had a system that required skill and training, perhaps thats why so few used them intelligently in this beta.

And what does the MAG2 controller have to do with this?

Yes the one tool EVERYONE has is OP, give me break dude.

We can discuss Throwing mechanics being weird and kinda sloppy but to cry OP constantly is simply tedious and non productive.

what annoys me the most every scrub that is about to lose a gunfight instantly throws a grenade. My impression is that "Sir spam alot" has left his sign on grenades.

this is the thread ive been waiting to see, these things are very unfair. The very first thing people do to me is throw 2 grenades, i dont even have gun fights anymore its just me shooting at people who throw grenades. Its bad when the bear basic, milita grenade can kill anything in the game with no promblem. Why bother running higher teir equipment if the lowist teir can take you out no promblem? Its unfair and uncounterable with the 2 second timer. Expescially for slow heavys

Grenades are fine...... as long as any suit can jump in out and out of an LAV/ Tank faster than Bo and Luke Duke getting into the General Lee.

Hey, sometimes my Sharpshooter Move holding gets tiring and I have a move moment where I toss all the grenades just trying to walk around.

All I read here is that you are tired of walking into an enemy grenade, stop walking into enemy grenades. I've spent close to a million skill points and probably about 10 million in isk on grenades this build. Of course it could be that your Blob of HMG users was too close together. It is like the same thing for LAV drivers, you choose to try to run me down when I actually have prototype AV for the tank that nobody else is fighting, so excuse me for using them against your convertible but you stopped me from getting to the tank before reloading.

And if you are coming at me in a group or with a vehicle yes I will throw a grenade at my own feet for the suicide if I feel like it, since all of you find no problem with a tank with infinite ammo or an lav that allows you to cannonball.

Sorry but if someone throws a grenade at your feet, what do you expect the non comedy movie outcome to be again?

And I did read it, but I fail to see how throwing a grenade is any different from cooking it so far in the future.

How many seconds to cook it, and again how fast can a future grenade go off when you pull the pin, or press the plunger/ button and throw?

Agree. Grenade mechanics are wrong this build. You should cook a grenade if you want a shorter timer. And the arc of throwing should determine distance / placement. Instead we have hold L2 for distance. Result ? Stupid spam

Now you are just being confusing.

And I thought we were all supposed to run around in tanks and dropships.......

Well, point of fact, this whole thread is about what you can do with grenades in the future.

Nope not me, I usually live thru militia grenades thrown near me, and I needed the punch only prototype AV can provide against some of the best tankers in the game... so my grenades are either advanced or proto.

Again you bring up your annoyance with "anyone" throwing them at your feet and killing you....how is this not a valid tactic, was the enemy charging at the grenade thrower like an enraged bull, did their weapons range get reduced so much that they have to be at less than grenade throwing range in order to kill.

Seriously? L2 does something for grenades? I didn't know that.

Now you are just being confusing.

And I thought we were all supposed to run around in tanks and dropships.......

Well, point of fact, this whole thread is about what you can do with grenades in the future.

Nope not me, I usually live thru militia grenades thrown near me, and I needed the punch only prototype AV can provide against some of the best tankers in the game... so my grenades are either advanced or proto.

Again you bring up your annoyance with "anyone" throwing them at your feet and killing you....how is this not a valid tactic, was the enemy charging at the grenade thrower like an enraged bull, did their weapons range get reduced so much that they have to be at less than grenade throwing range in order to kill.

Man,do I hate to agree with you,but you are absolutely right.People are crying over tactics and not function.grenade mechanics were totally broken in previous builds,and finally then did something to make them work better.

The one and only argument that can be made for grenades are it seem that the blast raduis seems too wide.

Man,do I hate to agree with you,but you are absolutely right.People are crying over tactics and not function.grenade mechanics were totally broken in previous builds,and finally then did something to make them work better.

The one and only argument that can be made for grenades are it seem that the blast raduis seems too wide.

I'm exploiting the new mechanic for sure. I hide from enemies, cook a grenade and throw at feet. It's just as effective as the thukker grenades from two previous builds ago.

Please elaborate the "totally broken in previous builds" part, what was wrong with them?

In my experience, at least in the previous build, I had much more control of the aim and they were a lot more consistent. The main problem was the way most people used them, they tapped L2 and threw them with a 4 second explosion delay, very few actually cooked them and calculated the time/trajectory/distance. Many couldn't aim the nades properly and people stopped using them smartly, it was more a matter of spamming them over a hilltop for a lucky kill.

I'm pretty sure you would find the previous nade mechanics good with a little effort put into training. And what I really mean is that you're probably a scrub who couldn't figure the nades' behavior out. In any chase the fault is yours, last builds nade mechanics were the best I've ever had in any game. Get gud, don't blame the game.

As a tactic for getting a last kill before dying, I don't really care, it comes pretty far down my list of cheesy tactics in ths beta. My main concern is the, and I say it proudly, dumbing down of the nade mechanics. When anyone can tap L2 for a short range of a 2 second timed dropped explosions, it gets too easy. I fear the effect will be a too nade heavy game. Do we really want a game with everybody spamming nades like bomberman in cqc as a norm? I don't think so.

Using a cooked nade in cqc is difficult and takes a lot of skill. When cooking it behind cover, waiting for 1.5 seconds, then darting out and place them well in an enemys face, I salute that player for playing smart and precise. Having a guy just tapping L2 repetdly spamming his nades all over the place in cqc, like so many do now, makes the game too nade heavy and slightly booring in my opinion.

I don't expect a change though, CCP like making a lot of stuff too easy, why not this?