I think if your getting killed by two grenades from an assault mass driver, he's using a a good mass driver with damage mods and your running a scout suit.

Yes, but your whole corp using the Laser Rifle is pretty skilled right? Also, Mass Drivers require trajectory aiming, which the majority of users struggle with.

Takes about as much skill as it takes to us an Assault Rifle as I run both.

We have two guys who uses lasers and one guy who uses them fulltime. But I don't see how the lasers relate to the mass drivers not having a reload after every grenade or two.

Right....you have to actually aim and connect with an assault rifle. Aso opposed to a mass driver where you miss and still get the kill. I would respect it if guys killed you with one or two grenades. But when they pop 6 at you before killing you.....it is just a noobb weapon

Right....you have to actually aim and connect with an assault rifle. Aso opposed to a mass driver where you miss and still get the kill. I would respect it if guys killed you with one or two grenades. But when they pop 6 at you before killing you.....it is just a noobb weapon

I was just making a comparison. Also, I'm still mad at being helplessly trapped by Aqua and MittRomneys' lasers lol.

It's honestly hard to compare the two and I should have never donne it in the first place so I apologize. With that said I kill far more with an assault rifle than I could any day with the mass driver. I understand where you're coming from though. When the weapon is used as a close combat weapon and not a artillery/support weapon it could be a bit unbalanced. As a LogiBro i'm usually in the rear of the squad and I lob my grenades into objectices to soften up the enemy before the squad takes the objective. In this instance I see the MD working as intended. What are your thoughts?

Do you guys think that there's nothing wrong with a grenade launcher that you can fire 6 or 8 grenades without having to reload? That gun requires the least skill in the game but, arguably, the most damaging because it is the splash that wipes you out. You don't even have to hit the guy and you can launch it across the map.

I don't mind the splash damage or its radius....my issue with the MD is the fact that you can miss a guy 6 times and still kill him without a reload. There should be a reload after each grenade or after 2 grenades at maximum. It just doesn't make sense that you can spray all of those grenades and miss and still get the kill.

What you guys think?

Gah. Forum ate post.

6 too much? Yes. 1-2 and reload? No. Anything beyond short range needs a range finder, simply not workable if you need a reload after every shot. Codex's 4 was fine.

MD doesn't require direct hit to do damage, but it would be a **** weapon if it did considering how little reward you would get for something require so little skill. Even with splash damage kills, it still takes more skill to predict grenade paths and enemy motion than an AR where bullets go exactly when you point instantly.

Grab a calculator
Go figure out how much splash damage (or direct damage) a standard mass driver can do in 1 second.
Compare that to the damage per second of a standard AR.

Calculate the maximum damage a standard mass driver can do with 1 magazine.
Compare that to 1 magazine of a standard AR.

Look at the scoreboard for a battle, who is getting the most kills AR users or MD users?
What weapon are people still using overwhelmingly?

Actually back up your crying with stats and facts. Seriously, go do some math. I really really hate seeing this thread.

Well, what do you mean by "workable"? With a reload, they can spit two grenades that will either hurt or kill the enemy. There can even be a reload skill to increase the rate. But it isn't cool to survive 3 and 4 grenades only to have another 2 or more miss and kill you.

When you get splashed by the MD, it throws your aim off of the enemy. Long enough, for them to spit another at you that'll miss and kill you. This gun is offensive and defensive at the same time.

6-8 per clip is way too many for the simple reason that it can be spammed at close range for kills. It is the very reason why you seem them more and more in CQC because you can fire off 6 of them in proximity without worry.

4-6 made them perfect as support role from a distance but a lot less OP in CQC. if the idea behind the increase was to make them better support weapons since 4 shots could often not be enough to suppress ppl at distance then make a variant that offers 6 and 8 shots respectively but at a much lower ROF or

some sort of distance delay needed to travel before exploding so that they can be spammed at CQ.

@ Tectonious

I guess my sarcasm wasn't clear. My point in saying that it misses you and still kills you goes to the point that it is not a difficult weapon to use (once you've gotten comfortable with it). Yet, they get 6-8 times to "miss" you before a reload

The only problem with mass drivers was the increase in clip size no idea why they decided to do that.
They need to go back to 4 and 6 they where perfect support weapons then.

Do you guys think that there's nothing wrong with a grenade launcher that you can fire 6 or 8 grenades without having to reload? That gun requires the least skill in the game but, arguably, the most damaging because it is the splash that wipes you out. You don't even have to hit the guy and you can launch it across the map.

I don't mind the splash damage or its radius....my issue with the MD is the fact that you can miss a guy 6 times and still kill him without a reload. There should be a reload after each grenade or after 2 grenades at maximum. It just doesn't make sense that you can spray all of those grenades and miss and still get the kill.

What you guys think?

@ Tectonious

I guess my sarcasm wasn't clear. My point in saying that it misses you and still kills you goes to the point that it is not a difficult weapon to use (once you've gotten comfortable with it). Yet, they get 6-8 times to "miss" you before a reload

Why are we comparing MDs to ARs?? You already got your AR nerf. People use ARs because that's how it has always been and will be. I've never seen a grenade launcher as a primary weapon until this game.

All of what you wrote is extremely irrelevant. I'm talking about reloading and you're bringing up damage. Read before you comment instead of trying to be the first 'Anti-OP, all weapons are good as is fanboy, Poster' in the thread.

Ahhh, mitt can be annoying with that laser on that map lol. We needed Aqua to keep the swarms of soldiers off of us :D