DUST Search - A serious thread about Mass Drivers

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

MD doesn't require direct hit to do damage, but it would be a **** weapon if it did considering how little reward you would get for something require so little skill. Even with splash damage kills, it still takes more skill to predict grenade paths and enemy motion than an AR where bullets go exactly when you point instantly.

Grab a calculator
Go figure out how much splash damage (or direct damage) a standard mass driver can do in 1 second.
Compare that to the damage per second of a standard AR.

Calculate the maximum damage a standard mass driver can do with 1 magazine.
Compare that to 1 magazine of a standard AR.

Look at the scoreboard for a battle, who is getting the most kills AR users or MD users?
What weapon are people still using overwhelmingly?

Actually back up your crying with stats and facts. Seriously, go do some math. I really really hate seeing this thread.

Why are we comparing MDs to ARs?? You already got your AR nerf. People use ARs because that's how it has always been and will be. I've never seen a grenade launcher as a primary weapon until this game.

All of what you wrote is extremely irrelevant. I'm talking about reloading and you're bringing up damage. Read before you comment instead of trying to be the first 'Anti-OP, all weapons are good as is fanboy, Poster' in the thread.


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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.12.25 22:46:00 - [1] - Quote MD doesn't require direct hit to do damage, but it would be a **** weapon if it did considering how little reward you would get for something require so much skill. Even with splash damage kills, it still takes more skill to predict grenade paths and enemy motion than an AR where bullets go exactly when you point instantly. Grab a calculator Go figure out how much splash damage (or direct damage) a standard mass driver can do in 1 second. Compare that to the damage per second of a standard AR. Calculate the maximum damage a standard mass driver can do with 1 magazine. Compare that to 1 magazine of a standard AR. Look at the scoreboard for a battle, who is getting the most kills AR users or MD users? What weapon are people still using overwhelmingly? Actually back up your crying with stats and facts. Seriously, go do some math. I really really hate seeing this thread.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.12.25 23:18:00 - [2] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: MD doesn't require direct hit to do damage, but it would be a **** weapon if it did considering how little reward you would get for something require so little skill. Even with splash damage kills, it still takes more skill to predict grenade paths and enemy motion than an AR where bullets go exactly when you point instantly. Grab a calculator Go figure out how much splash damage (or direct damage) a standard mass driver can do in 1 second. Compare that to the damage per second of a standard AR. Calculate the maximum damage a standard mass driver can do with 1 magazine. Compare that to 1 magazine of a standard AR. Look at the scoreboard for a battle, who is getting the most kills AR users or MD users? What weapon are people still using overwhelmingly? Actually back up your crying with stats and facts. Seriously, go do some math. I really really hate seeing this thread. Why are we comparing MDs to ARs?? You already got your AR nerf. People use ARs because that's how it has always been and will be. I've never seen a grenade launcher as a primary weapon until this game. All of what you wrote is extremely irrelevant. I'm talking about reloading and you're bringing up damage. Read before you comment instead of trying to be the first 'Anti-OP, all weapons are good as is fanboy, Poster' in the thread. Oh I read your OP. You're saying that "spraying" a magazine (6-8 grenades) for splash damage should not be enough to kill someone, I'm saying it still takes more skill to accomplish this then direct hits with the AR. If you want to talk about magazine size, then if course calculating the damage per magazine is necessary. Weapons cannot be discussed in a vacuum, weapons have to be balanced against and compared to other weapons, therefore comparison to other weapons (like the AR) is obviously. It is completely relevant what weapon people use most. If MD was overpowered like you're ttrying to imply (or any weapon), players would flock to it for easy kills. People look for the most effective shortcut. Where the hell are you getting the idea that I'm some fanboy who thinks all weapons are perfect the way they are? I stated an opinion about 1 weapon? actually I would prefer that being hit by mass driver grenades didn't have that annoying recoil effect, and there are a lot of other changes I would like for weapons in Dust. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I think nothing should be changed from, but its s stupid assumption. You exposed your bias; seems like your problem is that the mass driver is a light weapon at all. You have problems accepting that a grenade launcher can ever be balanced with others of such a weapon class. Bottom line is, stat wise (including magazine size and damage per magazine), its still pretty modest compared to other weapon of the same class, and still takes more skill (even with splash damage) then other weapons of the same class. EDIT: If MDs have to reload after every 2 shots, then that would make them pretty crappy, and require some other buff to make it a viable weapon... and people will say that buff will makes OP.