Are you telling me you seriously expect a - grenade- launcher to be a direct hit weapon? Of course they're going to miss and kill you, who would waste time trying to get only direct hits?

Do you guys think that there's nothing wrong with a grenade launcher that you can fire 6 or 8 grenades without having to reload? That gun requires the least skill in the game but, arguably, the most damaging because it is the splash that wipes you out. You don't even have to hit the guy and you can launch it across the map.

I don't mind the splash damage or its radius....my issue with the MD is the fact that you can miss a guy 6 times and still kill him without a reload. There should be a reload after each grenade or after 2 grenades at maximum. It just doesn't make sense that you can spray all of those grenades and miss and still get the kill.

What you guys think?

6-8 per clip is way too many for the simple reason that it can be spammed at close range for kills. It is the very reason why you seem them more and more in CQC because you can fire off 6 of them in proximity without worry.

4-6 made them perfect as support role from a distance but a lot less OP in CQC. if the idea behind the increase was to make them better support weapons since 4 shots could often not be enough to suppress ppl at distance then make a variant that offers 6 and 8 shots respectively but at a much lower ROF or

some sort of distance delay needed to travel before exploding so that they can be spammed at CQ.

Why are we comparing MDs to ARs?? You already got your AR nerf. People use ARs because that's how it has always been and will be. I've never seen a grenade launcher as a primary weapon until this game.

All of what you wrote is extremely irrelevant. I'm talking about reloading and you're bringing up damage. Read before you comment instead of trying to be the first 'Anti-OP, all weapons are good as is fanboy, Poster' in the thread.

you know what I'm done being reasonable F**K YOU GO BACK TO COD! god forbid there is any usable weapon that not a rifle or smg HUH?? how dare they make a grenade luancher that is a primary weapons that isnt easy to kill. there is a reason very few people use it and they dont point well becuase its NOT OP!! you just hate it becuase you cant dance around it and kill it with your ar like every thing else.

I love that the MD is finally useful again even if only in the hands of a logi. I dont really use it for anything but crowd breaking but its fun having to use different tactics then dance and kill this guy dance and kill that guy it was boring, I like that I have to work for heavy kills, I like that I have to use the terrain to my advantage or god forbid work with my squad to take out a MD.

this guy got it exactly right! look at the dps hell look at the dmg per cilp it favored and still favors the AR, a gun that is easier to use.
he read and under stood your comment better the you did you half wit.

Agreed. No skill required. NERF THE NOOB TOOB!!

Oh I read your OP.

You're saying that "spraying" a magazine (6-8 grenades) for splash damage should not be enough to kill someone, I'm saying it still takes more skill to accomplish this then direct hits with the AR.

If you want to talk about magazine size, then if course calculating the damage per magazine is necessary.

Weapons cannot be discussed in a vacuum, weapons have to be balanced against and compared to other weapons, therefore comparison to other weapons (like the AR) is obviously.

It is completely relevant what weapon people use most. If MD was overpowered like you're ttrying to imply (or any weapon), players would flock to it for easy kills. People look for the most effective shortcut.

Where the hell are you getting the idea that I'm some fanboy who thinks all weapons are perfect the way they are? I stated an opinion about 1 weapon? actually I would prefer that being hit by mass driver grenades didn't have that annoying recoil effect, and there are a lot of other changes I would like for weapons in Dust. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I think nothing should be changed from, but its s stupid assumption.

You exposed your bias; seems like your problem is that the mass driver is a light weapon at all. You have problems accepting that a grenade launcher can ever be balanced with others of such a weapon class. Bottom line is, stat wise (including magazine size and damage per magazine), its still pretty modest compared to other weapon of the same class, and still takes more skill (even with splash damage) then other weapons of the same class.

EDIT: If MDs have to reload after every 2 shots, then that would make them pretty crappy, and require some other buff to make it a viable weapon... and people will say that buff will makes OP.

Do you guys think that there's nothing wrong with a grenade launcher that you can fire 6 or 8 grenades without having to reload? That gun requires the least skill in the game but, arguably, the most damaging because it is the splash that wipes you out. You don't even have to hit the guy and you can launch it across the map.

I don't mind the splash damage or its radius....my issue with the MD is the fact that you can miss a guy 6 times and still kill him without a reload. There should be a reload after each grenade or after 2 grenades at maximum. It just doesn't make sense that you can spray all of those grenades and miss and still get the kill.

What you guys think?

Jesus OP, what a stupid idea.

Why the hell would a support weapon designed for laying down suppressive fire and pinning people in place need to reload after 2-3 shots? That's idiotic. Look at support weapons in the real world right now, typically they are high ROF, inaccurate and AOE if possible at all.

I can't understand why the hell you'd think that reducing clip size by 50% would be the solution. I've said for the last build or 2 that the MD needs looking at but not in the context you're suggesting. If anything it either needs a SLIGHT damage reduction or a SLIGHT AOE reduction and nothing more.

you know what I'm done being reasonable F**K YOU GO BACK TO COD! god forbid there is any usable weapon that not a rifle or smg HUH?? how dare they make a grenade luancher that is a primary weapons that isnt easy to kill. there is a reason very few people use it and they dont point well becuase its NOT OP!! you just hate it becuase you cant dance around it and kill it with your ar like every thing else.

I love that the MD is finally useful again even if only in the hands of a logi. I dont really use it for anything but crowd breaking but its fun having to use different tactics then dance and kill this guy dance and kill that guy it was boring, I like that I have to work for heavy kills, I like that I have to use the terrain to my advantage or god forbid work with my squad to take out a MD.

this guy got it exactly right! look at the dps hell look at the dmg per cilp it favored and still favors the AR, a gun that is easier to use.
he read and under stood your comment better the you did you half wit.

After the missile nerf the MD is the ONLY area of effect weapon left in the game. It sounds like you want to remove the last one so it's all rifles all the time. More homogenization to go along with the request to make needles a standard part of every fit.

Your terminology reveals your bias. If you took damage, he didn't miss you! He meant to splash you and he managed to do so despite the need to visualize the launch arc and compensate for your movement and grenade travel time. That is not trivial at mid to long range. If you stood around long enough for someone to empty an entire clip at short range you are a very poor AR user as you have a significant DPS advantage over the MD.

If you were more concerned with shooting his teammates with ARs, then you are complaining about teamwork. The MD is a support weapon not suited to going solo or frontal assault. The first round alerts everyone around and the smoke trail points right to the launcher. Any AR being targeted will spin around and unload a full clip into the MD user and win.

Use a weapon before crying for a nerf. Find out what it's like to use before you assume it's OP.

Oh look, another child.

Go back to COD.

Right....you have to actually aim and connect with an assault rifle. Aso opposed to a mass driver where you miss and still get the kill. I would respect it if guys killed you with one or two grenades. But when they pop 6 at you before killing you.....it is just a noobb weapon

Naming no names, a certain person in a proto suit one shotted me with the EXO Mass Driver the other day while I was in an A-Series Assault suit with 2 enhanced shield extenders, 1 enhanced armor plate, 1 armor repair module, and my mechanics skill is at 5 and my shield control is at 3. I suppose I may have been tapped by a bullet or two before it connected, but it was still far too strong. The proto drivers should be officer level weapons, the advanced should be proto, basic should be advanced, and a lower level should replace the basics.

TL;DR: Drivers need a minor drop in damage. DON'T REPEAT THE MISSILE NERF CRISIS WITH THESE WEAPONS. These weapons are perfect as are, but the damage is just slightly over the top.

THE fact that you wrote "I suppose I may have been tapped by a bullet or two before it connected, but it was still far too strong."

means your argument is invalid
you suppose you could have been hit by a flux grenade before you got hit with the MD (flux grenades do 1200 damage to shields)