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The Black Jackal wrote:

Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:

And running as a Dust rep in EVE online will get you laughed out of the running for the position in the first week, i promise you. You've only got to look at EVE players reactions to Dust to know how little they will take a interest or even support an EVE side position for Dust, the sheer thought that you've got the cheek to even attempt it is laughable.

I wouldn't term it cheek. I'd call it determination to get DUST represented.

Rather than simply slag everyone who says anything about running for CSM, let those of us who want to fight for it, do so. If you don't think such a thing is possible, then back off and leave those of us who think it is possible try.

Or, if you're running a mud-slinging campaign to further your own agenda, then try posting some policies. If that doesn't suit, keep spewing poorly thought out responses and taunts, and making unsubstantiated claims as to your communications with Developers of the DUST 514 and EVE Online Games.

Personally, I have been upfront and honest about WHY I want to run, what some of my policy is toward getting the DUST community represented and what ideas I would want to push.

I see your name all over these forums with little to say about anything that isn't negative, or slander, or unsubstantiated claims over communications you've had and so on. Everyone contributes to the community how they see fit, however negativity has never benefited any community.

P.S. Jenza, you get props from me for your work on the wiki. I was afraid to contribute due to NDA restrictions (wasn't sure where they drew the line about release of information). Have you had any issues regarding that? If you haven't had any, I'll gladly help you in populating the wiki and ease your workload. Good job so far as well.

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Joran Myokenes Doomheim 1	Posted - 2012.12.02 03:14:00 - [61] - Quote Back on the topic of Dust and CSM, how about instead of trying to make it so some seats have to be dust players, or create another council, or just let it be, we rename CSM to be the New Eden Council of Interests (NECI), and expand it to have 18 seats, nine of which are capsuleers and nine of which are immortals. Later on we could give it it's own Station with design and rooms which the council could operate out of, instead of a simple forum thread( this would likely come later).
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.02 03:20:00 - [62] - Quote They don't need a station or anything like that, it takes place in real life at CCP's HQ in iceland and over skype meetings weekly. It's not an in game thing, it's a serious game design and decision making process. Renaming it would be pointless too, CSM works fine, even with Dust players on the council.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.12.02 03:30:00 - [63] - Quote Joran Myokenes wrote: Back on the topic of Dust and CSM, how about instead of trying to make it so some seats have to be dust players, or create another council, or just let it be, we rename CSM to be the New Eden Council of Interests (NECI), and expand it to have 18 seats, nine of which are capsuleers and nine of which are immortals. Later on we could give it it's own Station with design and rooms which the council could operate out of, instead of a simple forum thread( this would likely come later). Three extra seats is more than enough. You have to consider travel cost for the members. They have to meet in real life you know.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.02 03:31:00 - [64] - Quote Initially i expected 2 seats personally but 3 would make a lot of sense, that way there will always be a majority vote on Dust related matters if one disagrees with the other for example and it's something the other CSM members have little knowledge about or whatever.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.12.02 05:25:00 - [65] - Quote I think the point here, is that there are quite a few DUST players pushing to have a DUST 514 rep on the next CSM. It's not a matter of waiting to see IF we get one, or falling back and saying we WONT get one, we're pushing TO get one. From what I understand, most candidates will be running EVE Side anyway on behalf of DUST. I know I am, some others have as much EVE experience as I do, if not more. The main thing is, will DUST Mercs be able to vote as DUST mercs, or do they have to follow the strictures outlined for EVE players (have an ACTIVE EVE online Account for at least 30 days, etc.). To cast a vote.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 1005	Posted - 2012.12.02 05:32:00 - [66] - Quote some of you allready know but just mentioning again, I intend to run for a position on CSM if a dust position appears, even if i dont get in i still intend to volunteer for various eve like things for dust if it comes up, I allready am working solo to build up the dust 514 wikia, and also have some things planned for when the nda is lifted. Wish me luck!
William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2012.12.02 05:37:00 - [67] - Quote Good luck.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.12.02 06:03:00 - [68] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: some of you allready know but just mentioning again, I intend to run for a position on CSM if a dust position appears, even if i dont get in i still intend to volunteer for various eve like things for dust if it comes up, I allready am working solo to build up the dust 514 wikia, and also have some things planned for when the nda is lifted. Wish me luck! Wish you luck, Jenza. Even though you're one of my Rivals now. o7 and god speed.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.02 11:15:00 - [69] - Quote Oh god, name-calling? On the Internet? IN EVE ONLINE? Seriously - wipe the glitter off the tampons. This game isn't designed for things like 'feelings' and 'emotions'. You live, you die and you grow harder every day because of it. What really boils me up is the fact that people are just as gullible in Eve Online/Dust 514 as they are in real-life. Your corporation leader says he/she is running for CSM and it's all aboard the gravy train. Seriously, this is why half of the posts in this thread have as many likes as they do. The words and overall message isn't being read, it's just the name of the person who posted it. Cheese. I mean, come on, do you people even listen to yourselves anymore? I love the concept of the CSM and all but what they're -actually- accomplishing means -nothing- to me. Ships get rebalanced, gameplay features get changed but if any of it bothered me -that- much I would just go play Skyrim. Donuts. Which I have been. I stopped playing Dust 514 because it was just -irritating- that (drastic) changes were made and this game isn't what it was two/three months ago. That's fine, I have other things to do. If anyone actually made some CSM seat from Dust 514, I would laugh because I know (for sure) that they would do like all the other CSM members and listen to only their corporation/alliance So why is that? Why is it that Zion Shad would listen to -just- Zion TCD or Jenza Aranda would listen to -just- Betamax? Same reason their sheep continuously follow the shepherds and mindlessly like their posts, because it's their -collective-. There's nothing wrong with it.... Yanno, unless you take into account the fact that those sheep are voting for someone who's interests might be different then mine. Then it's a real problem. Suppose I better start running for CSM with my (imaginary) brood of bleaters. Back to Skyrim.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.02 14:10:00 - [70] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: I think the point here, is that there are quite a few DUST players pushing to have a DUST 514 rep on the next CSM. It's not a matter of waiting to see IF we get one, or falling back and saying we WONT get one, we're pushing TO get one. From what I understand, most candidates will be running EVE Side anyway on behalf of DUST. I know I am, some others have as much EVE experience as I do, if not more. The main thing is, will DUST Mercs be able to vote as DUST mercs, or do they have to follow the strictures outlined for EVE players (have an ACTIVE EVE online Account for at least 30 days, etc.). To cast a vote. And running as a Dust rep in EVE online will get you laughed out of the running for the position in the first week, i promise you. You've only got to look at EVE players reactions to Dust to know how little they will take a interest or even support an EVE side position for Dust, the sheer thought that you've got the cheek to even attempt it is laughable. jenza aranda wrote: some of you allready know but just mentioning again, I intend to run for a position on CSM if a dust position appears, even if i dont get in i still intend to volunteer for various eve like things for dust if it comes up, I allready am working solo to build up the dust 514 wikia, and also have some things planned for when the nda is lifted. Wish me luck! You're probably the only person who's suggested running for CSM that i'd consider a genuine candidate, you've not got involved with any of the bullshit posturing etc that i've seen and seem like the the one of the best people for the jobs. jenza aranda wrote: some of you allready know but just mentioning again, I intend to run for a position on CSM if a dust position appears, even if i dont get in i still intend to volunteer for various eve like things for dust if it comes up, I allready am working solo to build up the dust 514 wikia, and also have some things planned for when the nda is lifted. Wish me luck! jenza aranda wrote: some of you allready know but just mentioning again, I intend to run for a position on CSM if a dust position appears, even if i dont get in i still intend to volunteer for various eve like things for dust if it comes up, I allready am working solo to build up the dust 514 wikia, and also have some things planned for when the nda is lifted. Wish me luck! You're the only person i'd support as you've not shown it's just something you want to use as a badge to support your own agenda, i know from talking to you on skype and IRC that you know what you're talking about more than the other clowns but i do still think you'd be jumping the gun if you intended to run in the next set of elections. As for you Aeon, stop making sense in your posts, that's not allowed on this forum. I'm starting to like your posting.

jenza aranda BetaMax. 1005	Posted - 2012.12.02 16:00:00 - [71] - Quote Thanks Cerebral, I really do want to help the dust community. Thats why, even if i dont get into a CSM position, i allreay spoke to blam who seemed to think that some of the eve volenteer possitions for dusts would be a good idea and something ill apply for.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.02 18:29:00 - [72] - Quote It makes a lot of sense, i've recently attempted to start a conversation with Two Step about getting the Dust community involved in the EVE/Dust links rather than just leaving the discussions on the EVE forums. Feel free to poke anyone you know about it too because it's all in our own interests.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 1005	Posted - 2012.12.02 21:20:00 - [73] - Quote Ill try to talk to hans at some point, he has an dusty in betamax
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.03 04:33:00 - [74] - Quote Thanks Jenza, i appreciate it.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.12.03 05:34:00 - [75] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: And running as a Dust rep in EVE online will get you laughed out of the running for the position in the first week, i promise you. You've only got to look at EVE players reactions to Dust to know how little they will take a interest or even support an EVE side position for Dust, the sheer thought that you've got the cheek to even attempt it is laughable. I wouldn't term it cheek. I'd call it determination to get DUST represented. Rather than simply slag everyone who says anything about running for CSM, let those of us who want to fight for it, do so. If you don't think such a thing is possible, then back off and leave those of us who think it is possible try. Or, if you're running a mud-slinging campaign to further your own agenda, then try posting some policies. If that doesn't suit, keep spewing poorly thought out responses and taunts, and making unsubstantiated claims as to your communications with Developers of the DUST 514 and EVE Online Games. Personally, I have been upfront and honest about WHY I want to run, what some of my policy is toward getting the DUST community represented and what ideas I would want to push. I see your name all over these forums with little to say about anything that isn't negative, or slander, or unsubstantiated claims over communications you've had and so on. Everyone contributes to the community how they see fit, however negativity has never benefited any community. P.S. Jenza, you get props from me for your work on the wiki. I was afraid to contribute due to NDA restrictions (wasn't sure where they drew the line about release of information). Have you had any issues regarding that? If you haven't had any, I'll gladly help you in populating the wiki and ease your workload. Good job so far as well.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.03 07:44:00 - [76] - Quote Seleene wrote: Until DUST becomes something more than closed-beta vaporware (which has been in development for the better part of 4-5 years) and CCP starts talking to the community about their plans for it beyond some grey area, "The two games will connect!" stuff, I really don't see a point to a "DUST Player" running for CSM. I think it would be interesting to see someone whose primary focus was on a console only game running for the council of a PC only game though. Sure, give it a shot. TLDR - There are enough DUST bunnies on the CSM (or in contact with the CSM) already, or at least there were until Planetside 2 came out. v0v For the record, Seleene is a CSM member.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 1005	Posted - 2012.12.03 07:52:00 - [77] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: P.S. Jenza, you get props from me for your work on the wiki. I was afraid to contribute due to NDA restrictions (wasn't sure where they drew the line about release of information). Have you had any issues regarding that? If you haven't had any, I'll gladly help you in populating the wiki and ease your workload. Good job so far as well. Thanks dude, i would appreciate the help. The NDA issue is very simple, only put up information that can be seen publicly either through announcements or through the eve client (any server). If you look at the items i have uploaded thus far, they only have a basic description, the name and the base cost. However i have been working on the framework so that once the NDA has been lifted, that it wouldnt be too difficult to get the extra stuff in.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.12.03 21:52:00 - [78] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Seleene wrote: Until DUST becomes something more than closed-beta vaporware (which has been in development for the better part of 4-5 years) and CCP starts talking to the community about their plans for it beyond some grey area, "The two games will connect!" stuff, I really don't see a point to a "DUST Player" running for CSM. I think it would be interesting to see someone whose primary focus was on a console only game running for the council of a PC only game though. Sure, give it a shot. TLDR - There are enough DUST bunnies on the CSM (or in contact with the CSM) already, or at least there were until Planetside 2 came out. v0v For the record, Seleene is a CSM member. This reinforces what I said earlier about future DUST-side members in the CSM having to first earn the trust of everyone if they want to be taken seriously.
Nameless 514 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2012.12.04 02:49:00 - [79] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: You'd be better off voting for me for Sha. Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: I don't want to run for CSM currently. So Two faced
jenza aranda BetaMax. 1005	Posted - 2012.12.04 03:31:00 - [80] - Quote you really dont like goons, nameless lol

Nameless 514 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2012.12.04 04:36:00 - [81] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: you really dont like goons, nameless lol We truly don't. We have been back in EVE setting some stuff up, but got word Wolf had returned. P.S. I'll admite I'm glad Noc was wrong about Betamax closing. Keeps the forums more interesting
Dust Goon Doomheim 22	Posted - 2012.12.04 13:18:00 - [82] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: And running as a Dust rep in EVE online will get you laughed out of the running for the position in the first week, i promise you. You've only got to look at EVE players reactions to Dust to know how little they will take a interest or even support an EVE side position for Dust, the sheer thought that you've got the cheek to even attempt it is laughable. I wouldn't term it cheek. I'd call it determination to get DUST represented. Rather than simply slag everyone who says anything about running for CSM, let those of us who want to fight for it, do so. If you don't think such a thing is possible, then back off and leave those of us who think it is possible try. Or, if you're running a mud-slinging campaign to further your own agenda, then try posting some policies. If that doesn't suit, keep spewing poorly thought out responses and taunts, and making unsubstantiated claims as to your communications with Developers of the DUST 514 and EVE Online Games. Personally, I have been upfront and honest about WHY I want to run, what some of my policy is toward getting the DUST community represented and what ideas I would want to push. I see your name all over these forums with little to say about anything that isn't negative, or slander, or unsubstantiated claims over communications you've had and so on. Everyone contributes to the community how they see fit, however negativity has never benefited any community. P.S. Jenza, you get props from me for your work on the wiki. I was afraid to contribute due to NDA restrictions (wasn't sure where they drew the line about release of information). Have you had any issues regarding that? If you haven't had any, I'll gladly help you in populating the wiki and ease your workload. Good job so far as well. Its not so unsubstantiated when ZionShad got my main banned from posting on the forums for releasing proof now is it?.... Not my fault the Dev's decided to delete the posts i made. Seleen is right, there are CSM members here already, there are EX CSM members here also and there are many people who have contact with CSM members already. Like he said, it would be very amusing to watch you guys run for CSM. As for me coming back Nameless, it was your doing that got me back when you messaged me on twitter, i figured if you're still interested in what i'm upto i left a good enough lasting impression to make it worth my time to come back. You've only got yourself to blame for it. As for being two faced, it's a simple misunderstanding. I've no interest in running for a Dust CSM at this time, but i do think i'd be a much better choice than many of the people who want the spot and hardly know EVE. How goes the anti goon plans Nameless?... Still working on your little plan to remove us from the game?


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