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SoTa PoP
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Several times now a thread has come up with the subject "CSM." From what I understand, it's a player elected committee, and a lot of people take it seriously. So let's take it seriously. 
The point of CSM for DUST514 would be proper communication between us and CCP. As it stands, many of us are unhappy with the lack of involvement CCP has with it's actual beta community, they hardly speak with us, and there posts are almost always them locking a thread or warning us of small violations of forum rules.
If a CSM was to be formed, it's first purpose would be to repair the bridge that lack of communication has created. CSM would also need to get involved on the forums often and would be expected to understand not only the DUST side of things, but EVE as well.
It's second purpose is to help us testers out. We're always making posts without looking at the history to see if it was already made, and as much as I'm sure another community member would help point out the old threads, CSM would be the officials to that resolution. They'd help keep information maintain and important on forums without letting an important topic drop too far behind in history to ever be seen again. Basically, they'd keep track of important/unimportant details to better help CCP organize what's important.
The next issue in regards to CSM is positioning. From what I understand, there's a different Rep for different things in Eve. One for Null Sec, one for FW, one for markets, ect ect. As we are in the BETA, we don't yet have a need for specific roles. What's required of our CSM is an over-all knowledge of everything this game offers. There's not much, so it's not asking much right now. CSM members are expected to all have an equal degree of understanding of the games mechanics and the direction it's heading. Once the game is released and we understand all the variables, we can begin true CSM elections to start filling required roles.
Another problem facing CSM will be from the EVE side. Anyone we elect will become our public face to the EVE side. They mostly view us as bugs, rightly so too being in such big ships, but that's far from the truth. We'll matter a lot to them, and as such we'll need public figures to show how serious our side is about this game and help more and more EVE players possibly look into hiring DUST players.
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These are just a few things I'd expect from CSM, but there are several more matters that need touching on.
I'm honestly of the mind that we should just meet as a community once or so a month and discuss it as a community together the direction of the game and the things we want to see changed/grow. But I can see the value of elected people handling the minor details a group would have a hard time with.
Also it should be noted that if we don't make any plans for CSM as a community we'll lose our chance to have any till 2014.
Here's a record of a past meeting with CSM from Eve and CCP it contains some useful information regarding what CSM do exactly and what CCP has been doing themselves: http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf
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Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2012.11.29 05:22:00 -
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You act like Dust CSM will operate in a separate ecosystem. It isnt. |
SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2012.11.29 05:26:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:You act like Dust CSM will operate in a separate ecosystem. It isnt.
It isn't about separating DUST's CSM, it's about fulfilling roles that are neglected while ignoring roles that are unimportant. CSM function a certain way, but in a Beta most of there roles are null. CSM is also a new idea to most around here, including me. I've taken an interest in it, but only it's mechanic in helping organizing the dust beta community to move things forwards positively here, as well as help DUST's image to Eve players. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.11.29 05:45:00 -
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I completely agree with your sentiment here. However, there are a few things to address.
- First we have to consider that the Eve CSM is elected by players who pay an active subscription to vote and be represented. Dust 514 is a free-to-download-and-play game and thus can be a problem by itself as Dust 514 players may not take real-world company politics seriously. Imagine Dust one day having over 500,000 players like Eve has right now but only 1% of that population actually participate. During the last Eve CSM elections, voter turnout was over 10% which surprisingly was more than the voter turnout of several US states during the 2008 presidential elections between John McCain and Barack Obama. With such a low voter turn out on the part of Dust due to lack of interest, a Dust CSM may not be taken seriously by even us, the players. Of course, the Eve CSM had to undergo the same problem during its early years and people use to see the CSM as nothing more than a gimmick from CCP. Given enough time, a Dust CSM may actually grow to have influence like the Eve CSM does now.
- A large number of us Dust players are also Eve players. If there is ever to be a Dust exclusive CSM, Dust players may feel infiltrated by the Eve players.
- A debate use to exist about whether or not to have the Eve CSM represent both Eve and Dust at the same time. Many agreed that this might be more practical as the Eve CSM is already established and has influence at this stage. According to the CSM minutes, the CSM practically has almost the same level of influence as a real-world board of directors for a corporation. If the CSM agrees, they could use their leverage to push CCP to improve Dust further.
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PS: Putting together a Dust CSM during beta may not be a good idea as we don't even have a stable voting system in place like Eve does. |
Zion Shad
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Posted - 2012.11.29 06:58:00 -
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Here are some facts about the CSM. Campaigns start around late January to February. The winners are announced at Fan Fest (late March to April) By this time DUST 514 will be a fully functional game tied in to EVE Online. These means that by this time communication with CCP will become less frequent then what we are accustomed to now. So to set up player representatives to speak on the communities behalf will be crucial if we to influence the way we game.
Today we are in Beta and donGÇÖt need a CSM, but this does not mean we should wait on setting it up for the future.
List of What DUST Candidates may run under:
 Faction Warfare- (EVE/DUST Link, NPC Attack/Defend Contracts, LP and so on)
CorporationGÇÖs & Corp Mechanics- (Dust UI, Dust Management capabilities for Capsuleers, Roles, Communication, ectGǪ)
Infantry Balancing- (Weapons, Mods, Suits and so forth)
DUST Ground Base Vehicle Balancing- (LAVGÇÖs, MAVGÇÖs, HAVGÇÖs, MechGÇÖs)
DUST Air Based Vehicle Balancing- (Dropships, Fighters, Bombers,)
E-Sports (TourneyGÇÖs, Betting, Leagues, Streaming, ectGǪ)
EVE/DUST Planetary interaction- (Installations, District owning/renting, mining, bases, UI, ectGǪ)
EVE/DUST Interaction- (Corps/Alliances, Contracts, Communication, Markets, transportation, ectGǪ)
These 8 are a good place to start and through this list I can a committee can easily be formed |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2012.11.29 07:12:00 -
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Why vote? Everyone knows its just gonna be Imperfects on Dust CSM  |
Stupid Drunk1
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Posted - 2012.11.29 08:18:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote: Faction Warfare- (EVE/DUST Link, NPC Attack/Defend Contracts, LP and so on... .... EVE/DUST Interaction- (Corps/Alliances, Contracts, Communication, Markets, transportation, ectGǪ) These 8 are a good place to start and through this list I can a committee can easily be formed
All the arrows are right, anything less envisioned one could not be not forgive, all iM saying is yours points are the floor not the ceiling. |
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Posted - 2012.11.29 09:29:00 -
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I vote REGNUM for CSM 2013!!!!!! |
Tony Calif
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Posted - 2012.11.29 09:38:00 -
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???
Why have a second council just for Dust? Not just have a seat or 2 on the current CSM? 1 universe, 1 war, 1 CSM :P
That's why Sha will get my vote if he runs for it. Failing that, Zionshad. |
Zion Shad
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Posted - 2012.11.29 11:04:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:???
Why have a second council just for Dust? Not just have a seat or 2 on the current CSM? 1 universe, 1 war, 1 CSM :P
That's why Sha will get my vote if he runs for it. Failing that, Zionshad.
It could be that, but I'm just saying that it is possible to hold two councils based on depth of the game. Why restricted ourselves if we donGÇÖt have to? |
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The Black Jackal
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Everyone should know my stance on this by now, but I'll wade in all the same.
Firstly, I'm hedging for us to have seats on the current CSM. Why? Because then we'll be representing the DUST COmmunity from a platform already well established and listened to by CCP. Giving us equal opportunity to talk to developers.
On the other hand, trying to 'muscle in' on what is essentially a 'EVE-only' Club is very tough (unless everyone in DUST beta has an EVE Account over 30 days old and votes for one candidate.)
I suggested in my current thread about this very issue that we could form our own council. Elected and unofficial (at fdirst) but we could possibly get endorsement from CCP about making it an Official CPM (Council of Planetary Management.)
They'd have to handle the elections, as they'd know who was alts etc, able to limit the voting to 1 vote per account, etc. |
Sha Kharn Clone
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Posted - 2012.11.29 11:41:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Tony Calif wrote:???
Why have a second council just for Dust? Not just have a seat or 2 on the current CSM? 1 universe, 1 war, 1 CSM :P
That's why Sha will get my vote if he runs for it. Failing that, Zionshad. It could be that, but I'm just saying that it is possible to hold two councils based on depth of the game. Why restricted ourselves if we donGÇÖt have to?
YouGÇÖre restricting yourself and the community by attempting to divide it from the beginning.
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The Black Jackal
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Posted - 2012.11.29 11:44:00 -
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^^ Agreed Sha Kharn |
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"I suggested in my current thread about this very issue that we could form our own council. Elected and unofficial (at fdirst) but we could possibly get endorsement from CCP about making it an Official CPM (Council of Planetary Management.)"
You suggested that? Now thats interesting. I thought you only wanted to run for CSM representing DUST and have a seat on the CSM... I suggested that we have our own. If they need us, they can elect someone to sit on our council... No offense, But It doesnt make you look very trust worthy if you are taking my point and presenting it as yours. I know its politics, but its just a little  |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.11.29 14:15:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:???
Why have a second council just for Dust? Not just have a seat or 2 on the current CSM? 1 universe, 1 war, 1 CSM :P
That's why Sha will get my vote if he runs for it. Failing that, Zionshad.
That's how it would have to be. Getting one person on the CSM seat will be good for Dust. Currently alot of eve thinks they Own Dust and we are muppets for their pleasure..so we need a guy from the inside of both worlds to represent us. And a CSM does not have to do some of the stuff OP mentioned, like directing people on the forums.. most CSM would laugh in your face at that, truely |
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The Black Jackal wrote:Everyone should know my stance on this by now, but I'll wade in all the same.
Firstly, I'm hedging for us to have seats on the current CSM. Why? Because then we'll be representing the DUST COmmunity from a platform already well established and listened to by CCP. Giving us equal opportunity to talk to developers.
On the other hand, trying to 'muscle in' on what is essentially a 'EVE-only' Club is very tough (unless everyone in DUST beta has an EVE Account over 30 days old and votes for one candidate.)
I suggested in my current thread about this very issue that we could form our own council. Elected and unofficial (at fdirst) but we could possibly get endorsement from CCP about making it an Official CPM (Council of Planetary Management.)
They'd have to handle the elections, as they'd know who was alts etc, able to limit the voting to 1 vote per account, etc.
Very much this. Alot of EVE players don't even consider DUST "worthy" of their time atm and to be honest, we might not be.
Why? We have NO idea how things between the two games will go, we don't know how much influence we will have on FW or Sov./Null Sec. Without information on these important issues that affect both games, we don't matter much to the pilots.
Has CCP even stated DUST will get a CSM rep.? I haven't seen it and won't assume they will give us a spot.
If everything rolls in DUST's favor and we are able to influence EVE etc. we are going to need more than just 1 person repping the game. We will be a totally different game than EVE and need to be represented that way. ie. our own CSM not just a part of EVEs.
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EnglishSnake
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I really dont see it happening for a while
The game will get release and then when everything is included then maybe a rep or 2 maybe added to EVE CSM, i cant really see a DUST CSM because the end result of this game is DUST and EVE being together and effecting each other so i just see the CSM in EVE getting a few more additions from DUST maybe espc for subjects which will effect DUST and EVE such as FW/NULL mechanics
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Posted - 2012.11.29 14:41:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:Everyone should know my stance on this by now, but I'll wade in all the same.
Firstly, I'm hedging for us to have seats on the current CSM. Why? Because then we'll be representing the DUST COmmunity from a platform already well established and listened to by CCP. Giving us equal opportunity to talk to developers.
On the other hand, trying to 'muscle in' on what is essentially a 'EVE-only' Club is very tough (unless everyone in DUST beta has an EVE Account over 30 days old and votes for one candidate.)
I suggested in my current thread about this very issue that we could form our own council. Elected and unofficial (at fdirst) but we could possibly get endorsement from CCP about making it an Official CPM (Council of Planetary Management.)
They'd have to handle the elections, as they'd know who was alts etc, able to limit the voting to 1 vote per account, etc.
You suggested that? Now thats interesting. I thought you only wanted to run for CSM representing DUST and have a seat on the CSM... I suggested that we have our own. If they need us, they can elect someone to sit on our council... No offense, But It doesnt make you look very trust worthy if you are taking my point and presenting it as yours. I know its politics, but its just a little |
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Posted - 2012.11.29 16:16:00 -
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Hm, Maybe it would be best instead of forming our own council to elect one or two people of our own to simply be a part of the EVE one to represent our interest and things I posted above. |
Corban Lahnder
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Posted - 2012.11.29 16:47:00 -
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I think its more likely the CSM will represent both games considering it is the same game, your just interfacing with it differently in dust.
I think what will happen is the dusters will probably end up throwing there weight behind one candidate that will have to be in the top however many that get sent to iceland summit twice a year. |
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Deadly Mitauchi
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Posted - 2012.11.29 17:47:00 -
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If Dust ever really wants to be considered viable to the Eve community, we have to have influence on the Eve CSM. The integration, continued expansion and CCP support for DUST hinges on the advertised unification of DUST & Eve Online.
That gentlemen is what interests most of the FPS community (those currently in the beta and those holding off to see what happens) in this shooter. Without that deeper meaning or unique link DUST will go the way of most shooters and suffer for a slow bleeding death.
I have little interest in the politics or positioning I see forming throughout the forums around this subject, however as a leader of a large section of the DUST community and an active stake holder in Eve Online I do feel it s important that all leaders of all size groups get more heavily involved in the conversation about the DUST / Eve link and how to best move this element forward.
In the last CSM election ROFL rallied our people both inside and outside our alliance for a total of 250+ of his 1533 votes helping push the Representative we felt had our interests and those of our community in mind. Many Dust players have Eve accounts. Perhaps more than some of us realize. While I believe it is good for us to discuss how we can work together as a community and perhaps have our own CSM someday, I think it is more important for us to focus on influencing the current established CSM so that our voice is heard.
Not to mention having a rep elected from our community in the current CSM or at least one that has the interest of DUST/Eve link could go a long way to making our game more viable and accepted to the Eve community as a whole.
Again I do appreciate everything all of you do to try to make things better for the DUST Community as a whole. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents. I look forward to working with you all on the future of DUST 514. |
Maken Tosch
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This is a very civil conversation we are having here and I am glad to see folks trying to work together on this so that we can benefit from this in the long run.
I have an Eve Online account and I remember voting in the recent CSM election in favor of Seleene who ultimately became a member of the CSM who wants to represent the interests of the industrial players of Eve Online. More than 10,000 players (alts excluded) practically voted for The Mittani alone during that same election which later gave him the position of Chairman of the CSM. The events that followed was a clear demonstration of how influential the CSM members have become.
CCP has its own separate council that works with the CSM alone with their own Board of Directors that represent the private investors that helped fund CCP from the beginning. It is speculated that CCP might (please note that this is just rumor) file an IPO one day and then become publicly owned. The board of directors would change accordingly like any other publicly owned business. But that doesn't mean the CSM will be gone. The CSM has become such an important part of Eve Online's progress and success that the CSM is now seen as a board of directors for players that cannot be messed with. If anything doesn't go the way they hoped or at least compromised for, they can rally enough players to cripple Eve Online and Dust forever. Kind of like a poison pill policy should greed ever get in the way.
Again, the IPO thing is just a rumor based on the recent news of CCP receiving millions of dollars for Dust advertising from a private investment group. |
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Maken Tosch wrote:This is a very civil conversation we are having here and I am glad to see folks trying to work together on this so that we can benefit from this in the long run.
I have an Eve Online account and I remember voting in the recent CSM election in favor of Seleene who ultimately became a member of the CSM who wants to represent the interests of the industrial players of Eve Online. More than 10,000 players (alts excluded) practically voted for The Mittani alone during that same election which later gave him the position of Chairman of the CSM. The events that followed was a clear demonstration of how influential the CSM members have become.
CCP has its own separate council that works with the CSM alone with their own Board of Directors that represent the private investors that helped fund CCP from the beginning. It is speculated that CCP might (please note that this is just rumor) file an IPO one day and then become publicly owned. The board of directors would change accordingly like any other publicly owned business. But that doesn't mean the CSM will be gone. The CSM has become such an important part of Eve Online's progress and success that the CSM is now seen as a board of directors for players that cannot be messed with. If anything doesn't go the way they hoped or at least compromised for, they can rally enough players to cripple Eve Online and Dust forever. Kind of like a poison pill policy should greed ever get in the way.
Again, the IPO thing is just a rumor based on the recent news of CCP receiving millions of dollars for Dust advertising from a private investment group.
;p;. swap away. im nassty is need be.
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edit 2 sack who needs to be sacked and ******* move on . |
Zion Shad
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SoTa PoP wrote:Hm, Maybe it would be best instead of forming our own council to elect one or two people of our own to simply be a part of the EVE one to represent our interest and things I posted above.
Sha Kharn Clone wrote:
YouGÇÖre restricting yourself and the community by attempting to divide it from the beginning.
I made a statment of how it could happen. It's far from an attempt. I publicly speak more with EVE Capsuleers about interacting with DUST Merc then most any other players. DonGÇÖt mistake me for dividing anything, but let me ask you "do you want a capsuleer to effect how your guns fire or your LAVs drive?". If we only have two seats, we will be out numbered and most of the current CSM are not intrested in DUST. This could be a potential problem in representation in the future.
Im fine with ether way as long as we are represented well  |
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I've not read the whole thread yet, i got about 2 sentences in and realised the first thing i need to point out is that Dust WILL NOT have it's own CSM. It will have a single, or several elected people to sit ON the current CSM. |
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Paran Tadec wrote:Why vote? Everyone knows its just gonna be Imperfects on Dust CSM
I highly, highly doubt that. CSM is about politics and you guys have zero experience in EVE politics, or at least zero experience at the EVE politics that matter like Nullsec warfare and the large alliances like ours. You guys backing someone with experience would be a good thing but i highly doubt you'd be able to pull it off for at least a couple of years.
Tony Calif wrote:???
Why have a second council just for Dust? Not just have a seat or 2 on the current CSM? 1 universe, 1 war, 1 CSM :P
That's why Sha will get my vote if he runs for it. Failing that, Zionshad.
Zion's a nice bloke but he's too slippery and not a very honest guy. He says what people want to hear which is good for politics alone if you never plan to actually do anything but eventually he'd have to act and make enemys and he claims to hate us Goons but he's done his fair share of playing nice with us even though he apparently hates us. Either he's got no backbone and will let us do what we want, when we want or he's very, very two faced and long term that does not bode well for him with something like the CSM.
You'd be better off voting for me for Sha.
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The Black Jackal
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Posted - 2012.12.01 02:14:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Why vote? Everyone knows its just gonna be Imperfects on Dust CSM I highly, highly doubt that. CSM is about politics and you guys have zero experience in EVE politics, or at least zero experience at the EVE politics that matter like Nullsec warfare and the large alliances like ours. You guys backing someone with experience would be a good thing but i highly doubt you'd be able to pull it off for at least a couple of years. Tony Calif wrote:???
Why have a second council just for Dust? Not just have a seat or 2 on the current CSM? 1 universe, 1 war, 1 CSM :P
That's why Sha will get my vote if he runs for it. Failing that, Zionshad. Zion's a nice bloke but he's too slippery and not a very honest guy. He says what people want to hear which is good for politics alone if you never plan to actually do anything but eventually he'd have to act and make enemys and he claims to hate us Goons but he's done his fair share of playing nice with us even though he apparently hates us. Either he's got no backbone and will let us do what we want, when we want or he's very, very two faced and long term that does not bode well for him with something like the CSM. You'd be better off voting for me for Sha.
Firstly, how'd you get to the conclusion that Zion is a slippery guy? You've actually been more negatively trolled than Zion yourself, and almost every post I see from you is negative in some respect... and you think we'd want you representing us? I think not.
Sure you have your supporters likely, as does Zion, as do I, as does Sha Kharn... there are plenty of people who have support from various cliques, corporations, alliances in this game.
Unless we get behind 1 or 2 candidates for this CSM we wont have anyone representing us on the CSM. And since there's not been (to my knowledge) an announcement from CCP that DUST players will get to vote, only those with EVE accounts over 30 days old are even applicable to place votes, or be candidates.
I'd love to say that DUST could vote it's own rep... I want it to, but at this time it's not confirmed whether we will, so we need to focus behind 1 or 2 candidates (aim for 2 as 2 reps will represent better than 1) and get the word out why we would want these to represent us.
Yes, by the way, I'd like to be one of those candidates (stated weeks ago now before many of these CSM discussions started) but the more candidates we have who can make their cases the better opportunity for us to have a representative who shares all or most of the values wanted in this game.
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Posted - 2012.12.01 02:29:00 -
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Since we're in beta, CSM candidates should be decided on who has put in the highest number of unique tickets into the bug reports. It's a simple metric, and one that would favor the people who are actually trying to help the game reach release rather than the "I'm better than you" chest thumpers and political backstabbers. |
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DUST should have its own CSM to discuss on how the game should be balanced and new changes, expansions etc etc etc just like in EVE and for DUST//EVE link have both CSMs sit down with CCP
it will not benefit DUST as a standalone game from any internal problems if we only have like 1 rep on the current CSM along with how many other EVE players talk about how whats broken in DUST how it should be balanced etc.
Need 2 CSMs tbqh.
EVE link can be easily discussed with both CSMs and CCP having a sitdown imo |
Zion Shad
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Posted - 2012.12.01 02:51:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:
Zion's a nice bloke but he's too slippery and not a very honest guy. He says what people want to hear which is good for politics alone if you never plan to actually do anything but eventually he'd have to act and make enemys and he claims to hate us Goons but he's done his fair share of playing nice with us even though he apparently hates us. Either he's got no backbone and will let us do what we want, when we want or he's very, very two faced and long term that does not bode well for him with something like the CSM.
You'd be better off voting for me for Sha.
Your a Member of Goon (not that high up) and a troll. If we were voting for Trolls, Id nominate ReG.
With me being "Nice" with goons, I have given respect where respect is given back to me. Nothing more. To say I have no back bone is BS, I have gone toe to toe with Court House (A director of Goon and Manager of the CFC) and never once backed down (like say the Hive Mind has) when he called all of Dust a "bunch of scrubs".
I find your failed smear to be lame at best. It says a lot when another Duster who is running for Dust CSM step's up to defend me (Thanks Black Jackal )
if you were to run and not have all of Goon vote you in... You would lose.
Bottom line you do nothing for this community now, so why should anyone trust you to do anything then? The last Goon to be in the CSM was fired from both the CSM and banned from EVE. Heck you were even fired from writting for theMittani.com (where Marc the editor came on our show "Podside" and stated it and added you were crap).
But hey glad to hear your running and GG on the forum PvP 
Quote:...or several elected people to sit ON the current CSM.
I'm cool with this idea TBH |
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