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The Black Jackal wrote:

Pretty simple question to answer there. I'd fight for interaction elements that affect the way DUST fits with EVE Online, PvE Missions (not just Drone Swarms) based upon EVE-like styles of missions though with solo, small group (2-3) Squad-level (4-6) and team-based (7-16) objectives.

I would be fighting for DUST to be considered more than an Add-On to EVE Online. I play both, and the different styles, and outlooks make both games very different, despite occupying the same space as EVE Online server wise and overlapping sphere's of Influence.

And lastly, I would fight for a feature I'd like to see (and so would alot of others) about Player-Owned Planetary Bases and Persistent Defences on battlefield maps. I don't mean the simple 'plug-in' style they want us to use. I want to be able to 'plug-in' a varied design on a district that allows us to set up permanent fortifications. ie. Walls and Gates (with hackable gate house) and dstructable walls. Defencive Batteries placed where we want then within the compund (and around the border). One of the greatest advantages of this game should be the ability to utilise your assets already in place to fight in your favor. Currently Defenders hold no advantage over Attackers as they would in true warfare.

Those points, and more of course, would be what I fight for.

P.S. I thought Quick wasn't running for CSM. I thought he said that no one should vote for him in one of his politcial threads.


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Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.01 03:00:00 - [1] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Bottom line you do nothing for this community now, so why should anyone trust you to do anything then? The last Goon to be in the CSM was fired from both the CSM and banned from EVE. Heck you were even fired from writting for theMittani.com (where Marc the editor came on our show "Podside" and stated it and added you were crap). But hey glad to hear your running and GG on the forum PvP Speaking solely as an observer here, Zion Shad lacks an element of knowledge in the way things work in Eve Online. Perhaps because he doesn't play the game or perhaps because he doesn't have enough connection in it but I'm hard pressed to vote for someone who is inexperienced in these matters. Dust 514 is an addition, an expansion, to Eve Online. It is not a separate entity and as such should be treated as such. To we, the Eve Online community, it's not very practical to vote in someone who only knows the Dust 514 element. I would sooner vote for Cerebral Wolf Jr or Jenza Aranda as they both have a well rounded ideal as to what both of these games have to offer. I myself would run, but I have no political reach and frankly I'm not a very friendly person when it comes to gameplay changes that I don't feel benefit the game in any way, shape or form besides true core gameplay material. True, Goonswarm are probably presumptuous assholes. That's fine because how they act has absolutely nothing to do with what this game, its features or the changes made to it need to be. The Mittani may have been removed from the CSM but what he set in motion over the course of the Redemption Trilogy (the three expansions which made drastic fixes to Eve Online) is nothing short of magnificent and I applaud that. Knowing that they can do right by Eve Online, I know that they can do right by Dust 514. Sure, some of the fixes are sort of shady and strangely coincidental to some of Goonswarm's efforts but let's take a look at the face of the card here: If everyone is using it and everyone is effective, it must be broken. It's just that simple.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.01 05:56:00 - [2] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: That would be a surprising sentiment, but I don't doubt that Maverick Conflict Solutions is the Dust based subsidiary of The Maverick Navy. https://gate.eveonline.com/Corporation/The%20Maverick%20Navy. I suppose I might be wrong about that. Purely coincidental. I have no affiliations with null-sec alliances ever since my previous corporation separated from Red Overlord. I left that corporation and started Maverick Conflict Solutions as there were no corporations that fit my specific interests and thereby created my own. Zion Shad wrote: I disagree fully on two parts here. First I have played EVE under a few accounts starting back in GÇÖ07 where a death in the family took me away. I came back around GÇÖ09 until the Summer of Rage hit and people started leaving the game due to dissatisfaction. My current start of me participating in EVE is that my laptop currently canGÇÖt support it, but will have a new one come Christmas. So I will be on EVE in one month. But I will always be a DUST Merc. Second, DUST is much more than some simple GÇ£add onGÇ¥ to EVE. True we will interact and share the same space, but we are separated in game mechanics, factuality and in the majority of our communityGÇÖs. In the US we have one military, but itGÇÖs broken up in three partGÇÖs (Army, Navy, Air force). I see Dust and EVE in this same fashion, but brought together in one universe IGÇÖm not running to help fix ship balancing or POS in EVE, IGÇÖm running to represent the Players of DUST 514 You're inexperienced in Eve Affairs and Dust 514 isn't prominent enough to warrant a completely new CSM solely for it's sake. It has neither age, experienced players nor a player-base to support those efforts. What is important to acknowledge, besides personal ambition and pride, is that any Dust 514 player appointed a CSM position should have adequate experience in both games as to not look like a fool in front of former developers (Seleena, for example) and current Alliance Leaders. You're the corporation leader of a 250 man corporation who's experience of Eve Online is dated back three or more years who claims to be for the people of Dust 514, but the people of Dust 514 can't even agree on what weapons and vehicles need balancing. I'm not attempting to sway the public opinion of you but I am attempting for you to understand that this is not something that just happens and you're definitely in way over your head. The CSM is not just a title, you actually have to fly to Iceland to meet with the Developers and negotiate what is -necessary- for the game's health. When you can collaboratively unite more than just your corporation in Dust 514 (I.E Capsuleers) then you may have a fighting chance but for the moment you're simply not going to get enough support because there are other, more capable candidates. The Black Jackal wrote: I'll be running for CSM EVE-side as a DUST representative alongside / against Zion (however you'd like to phrase rivals i guess) but having more than one seat on the CSM will increase our chances of haviung DUSTs voice heard. The CSM would only need one person covering the Dust mechanics, just as it does one person for each individual field. Hans Jagerblizten was appointed as a CSM solely because his focus was on Faction Warfare mechanics and it got a major revamp just recently. The CSM does -not- need 12 extra members all focusing on their own personal views of Dust 514 when it's active player-base doesn't even number 10,000 yet. There are more corporations than there are people playing Dust 514 (metaphorically speaking) and there are, apparently, more people running for a CSM position -when the game hasn't even been released yet- then there are people in the actual CSM. As yet, I have only seen people state that they are running for the CSM and that they will be "the voice of the people", yet I have not once seen a single entity attempt to unite the Dust 514 community as a whole to even out the silly things such as Weapon balancing, let alone balancing the game as a whole in tangent with it's source - Eve Online. What this really is is a power struggle for someone to gain a position of power to serve their own self-absorbed means and until someone actually starts asking the questions (outside of their mundane and archaic corporations) that need answered that is all it ever will be.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.01 06:44:00 - [3] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: The CSM would only need one person covering the Dust mechanics, just as it does one person for each individual field. Hans Jagerblizten was appointed as a CSM solely because his focus was on Faction Warfare mechanics and it got a major revamp just recently... "Each Individual Field" your words Aeon. So a guy for Ship BalancingGÇª So a Guy for Dropsuit, and Vehicle BalancingGÇª A Guy for EVE Faction WarfareGÇª So add a guy for Dust Faction WarfareGÇª Dust has and will have just as many field equivalents Aeon Amadi wrote: The CSM does -not- need 12 extra members all focusing on their own personal views of Dust 514 when it's active player-base doesn't even number 10,000 yet. There are more corporations than there are people playing Dust 514 (metaphorically speaking) and there are, apparently, more people running for a CSM position -when the game hasn't even been released yet- then there are people in the actual CSM.. You Can't see past the Beta so your opinion is already highly flawed. And to me it appears you want all the power to go to eve. As for uniting the community of Dust, where has this ever happen in EVE? Apparently you missed the fact that Goonswarm and it's 10,000 members has connections, ties and associations with almost every other alliance in Eve Online... They're all saying the same thing. POSes suck, Faction Warfare needs to be looked at and the Economy as a whole needs a drastic overhaul. I can see past the Beta, I just don't see it turning out very well. It's irrelevant as you're still avoiding (as you had when I was actually in your corporation) what I am advising you to look at in and of it's entirety: Actually fighting for the issues the Dust 514 community has a whole, which is nigh impossible as they're too sporadic and self-concerned. Take a look at the General Discussion here on the forums and you'll see a hundred thousand different view points. You're running for CSM, Quickgloves is running for CSM, Cerebral Wolf Jr is running for CSM, Jenza Aranda is running for CSM. Every single corporate leader is running for CSM. Yet, for some reason, you can't all just sit down and delegate as to who would be the best for the position and step out of the spotlight - rather, you want an entirely new CSM for a game that even on release won't have THAT many features attached to it. Corporation Battles, Random Matchmaking and Factional Warfare. All of which can be governed, overseen and viewed by -one CSM member-, not an entire line up. For each "Individual field" as you so aptly noticed (and I'm glad you did so that I can explain in more detail) does not mean Ship Balancing. Ship Balancing is an aspect -all- CSM members can delegate. Wormholes, High Sec, Low Sec, Faction Warfare, Null sec are all areas of which certain CSM members have expertise. There are not that many global features in Dust 514 and there won't be for -at least- another six months. As previously stated, my vote is for the people that can help Dust 514 in it's initial stages - the people who can grasp the Dust/Eve connection right off the bat, not the people that have the most supporters because they're for the people of Dust 514. This game is not just about you and the FPS community. EDIT: Right now - if you were a CSM delegate, what would you honestly fight for? Right now?
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:37:00 - [4] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: Pretty simple question to answer there. I'd fight for interaction elements that affect the way DUST fits with EVE Online, PvE Missions (not just Drone Swarms) based upon EVE-like styles of missions though with solo, small group (2-3) Squad-level (4-6) and team-based (7-16) objectives. I would be fighting for DUST to be considered more than an Add-On to EVE Online. I play both, and the different styles, and outlooks make both games very different, despite occupying the same space as EVE Online server wise and overlapping sphere's of Influence. And lastly, I would fight for a feature I'd like to see (and so would alot of others) about Player-Owned Planetary Bases and Persistent Defences on battlefield maps. I don't mean the simple 'plug-in' style they want us to use. I want to be able to 'plug-in' a varied design on a district that allows us to set up permanent fortifications. ie. Walls and Gates (with hackable gate house) and dstructable walls. Defencive Batteries placed where we want then within the compund (and around the border). One of the greatest advantages of this game should be the ability to utilise your assets already in place to fight in your favor. Currently Defenders hold no advantage over Attackers as they would in true warfare. Those points, and more of course, would be what I fight for. P.S. I thought Quick wasn't running for CSM. I thought he said that no one should vote for him in one of his politcial threads. Interesting response. It's nice to see an active goal.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.02 11:15:00 - [5] - Quote Oh god, name-calling? On the Internet? IN EVE ONLINE? Seriously - wipe the glitter off the tampons. This game isn't designed for things like 'feelings' and 'emotions'. You live, you die and you grow harder every day because of it. What really boils me up is the fact that people are just as gullible in Eve Online/Dust 514 as they are in real-life. Your corporation leader says he/she is running for CSM and it's all aboard the gravy train. Seriously, this is why half of the posts in this thread have as many likes as they do. The words and overall message isn't being read, it's just the name of the person who posted it. Cheese. I mean, come on, do you people even listen to yourselves anymore? I love the concept of the CSM and all but what they're -actually- accomplishing means -nothing- to me. Ships get rebalanced, gameplay features get changed but if any of it bothered me -that- much I would just go play Skyrim. Donuts. Which I have been. I stopped playing Dust 514 because it was just -irritating- that (drastic) changes were made and this game isn't what it was two/three months ago. That's fine, I have other things to do. If anyone actually made some CSM seat from Dust 514, I would laugh because I know (for sure) that they would do like all the other CSM members and listen to only their corporation/alliance So why is that? Why is it that Zion Shad would listen to -just- Zion TCD or Jenza Aranda would listen to -just- Betamax? Same reason their sheep continuously follow the shepherds and mindlessly like their posts, because it's their -collective-. There's nothing wrong with it.... Yanno, unless you take into account the fact that those sheep are voting for someone who's interests might be different then mine. Then it's a real problem. Suppose I better start running for CSM with my (imaginary) brood of bleaters. Back to Skyrim.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.03 07:44:00 - [6] - Quote Seleene wrote: Until DUST becomes something more than closed-beta vaporware (which has been in development for the better part of 4-5 years) and CCP starts talking to the community about their plans for it beyond some grey area, "The two games will connect!" stuff, I really don't see a point to a "DUST Player" running for CSM. I think it would be interesting to see someone whose primary focus was on a console only game running for the council of a PC only game though. Sure, give it a shot. TLDR - There are enough DUST bunnies on the CSM (or in contact with the CSM) already, or at least there were until Planetside 2 came out. v0v For the record, Seleene is a CSM member.