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Posted - 2012.11.29 05:12:00 -
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Several times now a thread has come up with the subject "CSM." From what I understand, it's a player elected committee, and a lot of people take it seriously. So let's take it seriously. 
The point of CSM for DUST514 would be proper communication between us and CCP. As it stands, many of us are unhappy with the lack of involvement CCP has with it's actual beta community, they hardly speak with us, and there posts are almost always them locking a thread or warning us of small violations of forum rules.
If a CSM was to be formed, it's first purpose would be to repair the bridge that lack of communication has created. CSM would also need to get involved on the forums often and would be expected to understand not only the DUST side of things, but EVE as well.
It's second purpose is to help us testers out. We're always making posts without looking at the history to see if it was already made, and as much as I'm sure another community member would help point out the old threads, CSM would be the officials to that resolution. They'd help keep information maintain and important on forums without letting an important topic drop too far behind in history to ever be seen again. Basically, they'd keep track of important/unimportant details to better help CCP organize what's important.
The next issue in regards to CSM is positioning. From what I understand, there's a different Rep for different things in Eve. One for Null Sec, one for FW, one for markets, ect ect. As we are in the BETA, we don't yet have a need for specific roles. What's required of our CSM is an over-all knowledge of everything this game offers. There's not much, so it's not asking much right now. CSM members are expected to all have an equal degree of understanding of the games mechanics and the direction it's heading. Once the game is released and we understand all the variables, we can begin true CSM elections to start filling required roles.
Another problem facing CSM will be from the EVE side. Anyone we elect will become our public face to the EVE side. They mostly view us as bugs, rightly so too being in such big ships, but that's far from the truth. We'll matter a lot to them, and as such we'll need public figures to show how serious our side is about this game and help more and more EVE players possibly look into hiring DUST players.
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These are just a few things I'd expect from CSM, but there are several more matters that need touching on.
I'm honestly of the mind that we should just meet as a community once or so a month and discuss it as a community together the direction of the game and the things we want to see changed/grow. But I can see the value of elected people handling the minor details a group would have a hard time with.
Also it should be noted that if we don't make any plans for CSM as a community we'll lose our chance to have any till 2014.
Here's a record of a past meeting with CSM from Eve and CCP it contains some useful information regarding what CSM do exactly and what CCP has been doing themselves: http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf
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Posted - 2012.11.29 05:26:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:You act like Dust CSM will operate in a separate ecosystem. It isnt.
It isn't about separating DUST's CSM, it's about fulfilling roles that are neglected while ignoring roles that are unimportant. CSM function a certain way, but in a Beta most of there roles are null. CSM is also a new idea to most around here, including me. I've taken an interest in it, but only it's mechanic in helping organizing the dust beta community to move things forwards positively here, as well as help DUST's image to Eve players. |
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Posted - 2012.11.29 16:16:00 -
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Hm, Maybe it would be best instead of forming our own council to elect one or two people of our own to simply be a part of the EVE one to represent our interest and things I posted above. |
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I speak my mind, i'm not interested in professionalism, i'm here to have fun not take on another job.
If Dust becomes all about work and not fun at all, i'm doing something very, very, very wrong which is why i've just taken a 6 week break or so.
Dust was becoming too serious for me, i felt the need to step back and take a wee break and come back with a fresh perspective on things, other people could learn from that actually.
As i've said, i've no interest in taking part on anything CSM related at the moment, it's premature and i think anyone who's even considering it right now and idiots with an inflated ego and opinion of themselves as some sort of Console messiah and should take a look in the mirror and a step back to reflect on things for awhile, i'm entitled to an opinion and to voice it however i wish the same as you are. I couldn't care less what people think of me and that's why some people love me and some people hate me here.
Cerebral, it's obvious to anyone reading your comments - even if they have no experience with DUST or EVE - that you know what you're talking about and have weight behind your words, but assertiveness and name calling for the sake of it, that's not speaking your mind, that's hostility. But I understand you don't mean it that way, you're just this way. So in response I want to thank you for your input on this thread, much of what you've said has been informal to me on the situation on not only the Eve side, but how DUST is doing by a view point not of my own.
If people see you as an ******* for speaking facts and opinions, that's cool. But I'll always support open mindedness in my threads.
But back on topic: CSM as a today structure is simply our community attempt at orchestrating a more unified community. It's not for the benefits that come immediately, but that come with time. It's the same idea as this closed Beta, if we're going to eventually have one, then we should prepare, tweak, and recognize. I agree it seems preemptive right now, but I'm all for planning a head before the plan is ever needed. |
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