Im fed up that a AV weapon can be used as a anti infantry weapon. Its time to screw it up like with swarms. if you want a hand wielded railgun then you should have the same penalty. CCP should reduce the blast radius to 1.0m that should prevent it to be missused as AV weapon. Dont see a reason why a weapon that acts like a railgun shouldnt share the same penalty. Oh and reduce the blast damage to something like 100HP max.

Im fed up that a AV weapon can be used as a anti infantry weapon. Its time to screw it up like with swarms. if you want a hand wielded railgun then you should have the same penalty. CCP should reduce the blast radius to 1.0m that should prevent it to be missused as AV weapon. Dont see a reason why a weapon that acts like a railgun shouldnt share the same penalty. Oh and reduce the blast damage to something like 100HP max.

There are only two types of Heavy weaponss - what would you say if I suggested nerf half of Light weapons?

There are only two types of Heavy weaponss - what would you say if I suggested nerf half of Light weapons?

Im fed up that a AV weapon can be used as a anti infantry weapon. Its time to screw it up like with swarms. if you want a hand wielded railgun then you should have the same penalty. CCP should reduce the blast radius to 1.0m that should prevent it to be missused as AV weapon. Dont see a reason why a weapon that acts like a railgun shouldnt share the same penalty. Oh and reduce the blast damage to something like 100HP max.

The issue is the perfect accuracy when crouched. If it even had slight dispersion, it could not snipe infantry at any real range.

The issue is the perfect accuracy when crouched. If it even had slight dispersion, it could not snipe infantry at any real range.

The issue is the perfect accuracy when crouched. If it even had slight dispersion, it could not snipe infantry at any real range.

Ditto for tanks missiles and rail guns. we shoot what you shoot.

perfect accuracy when crouched? whatttt? pretty sure at any range the blast goes in the general area of where you aim


but yes lets get rid of the blast radius of a forge gun. make a heavy even more fckin easy to kill. for those that say well you have a sidearm...yea an smg or pistol is def gunna save me against an ar... forge gun is fine the way it is. if you get killed by a forge gunner on foot then kudos to the heavy, either he got a lucky shot, or you stayed in the same spot and let him range it in.

i have used forge guns 3 builds now i think? they do not need any change to them. swarms got adjusted becuase scouttards ran around spammin them at their feet magically taking no damage.

If it is not a direct hit, you need 2-3 shots to down a militia assault. With a breach forge that sums up to approx 20-30 seconds. If you cant get out of there in half a minute or kill the (defenseless) forge gunner then you fail.

Accuracy on Forge guns is total crap.
Not only that, but they seem to have poor range too.
Not only that, but speed and mobility and steal are all crap because you have to be a heavy.
Not only that, but you can't hear a thing when you are charging because they don't give you ****ing earmuffs with the gun.
Not only that, but they don't allow you use an equipment slot so your few rounds are all you've got.
Not only that, but when you charge up you either slow down considerably or stop completely.
Not only that, but the rounds don't evade walls like swarm missiles can.
Not only that, but the gun lights you up like a christmas tree.
Not only that, but the rounds can do pretty poor damage.
Not only that, but to train the secondary skills you need more SP as they are an x3 skill.

Yeah. Nerf forge guns.

PS you know how AV weapons get thru all of that armor??? MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY!! => slower firerate, less ammo, lots of noise and and light, god awful fitting requirements, but no they need a nerf because you can be bothered to notice where they are and to get out of their way.

ps ive never play heavy dont want to, and i will agree that some of the high end tank missle could use a splash damage nerf, but not most of them.

1. a forge can pop a dropship out of the sky the breach has poor range because its a breach varient
2. thats a issue with the heavy suit
3. theres nothing to hear any way
4. thats the heavy suit not the forge
5. thats the type your using get a different forge
6. the rounds also one shot everything
7. forges are shock and awe people scatter when they see that christmas tree
8. you should be able to one shot anything with a forge if you can aim
9. thats the price of having damage measured in 1000s

this wouldnt even affect thier ability to kill tanks its a nerf aimed at stopping thier AI uses whats the problem with stopping a weapon from being used as a AI when its clearly meant to be AV?

edit: obviously they dont one shot tanks or dropships but thats not what this tread is aimed at its aimed at stopping a AV weapon from being used as a AI weapon which the forges is fairly effective at

all forge guns have the same range

rounds do not one shot everything...you do 250 splash..90% of suits have more hp then this so a one shot is not gunna happen..unless you get that luck direct hit

ppl scatter when they see the christmas tree? HAHAHAHAAHAHAH when im not using the forge and i see a christmas tree, i go right for it. Why? cuz i can kill the heavy with my ar before he charges the forge, and if he switches to a sidearm ill just back up a bit so im out of his range

forge has to be fairly effective as AI cuz well lets see you are slow suit, only have 16 rounds (seems ppl forget about the small ammo supply), at times ur rounds seem to just dissappear (framerate issue still i believe), sidearms are a joke against an ar.


so yea lets nerf forge gun splash damage, make a forge gunner a true suicide route (probly dont even get my 72 virgins when i die). take away splash damage and anyone close truly will track down the heavy. stay at 50m and unless they are a god with a pistol, you will kill them all the time

1. a forge can pop a dropship out of the sky the breach has poor range because its a breach varient
2. thats a issue with the heavy suit
3. theres nothing to hear any way
4. thats the heavy suit not the forge
5. thats the type your using get a different forge
6. the rounds also one shot everything
7. forges are shock and awe people scatter when they see that christmas tree
8. you should be able to one shot anything with a forge if you can aim
9. thats the price of having damage measured in 1000s

this wouldnt even affect thier ability to kill tanks its a nerf aimed at stopping thier AI uses whats the problem with stopping a weapon from being used as a AI when its clearly meant to be AV?

edit: obviously they dont one shot tanks or dropships but thats not what this tread is aimed at its aimed at stopping a AV weapon from being used as a AI weapon which the forges is fairly effective at

wow you must be horrible at aim since a forge one shots everything +1 forge dont need splash being AV weapons.

not realy a nerf it still have the smae killing power vs tanks and dropships since you dont really use splash to take them out your use the direct damage makes sense all it would do is stop people from using it as a AI weapon

How did you know Im so horrible? I tried keeping it a secret...

I'll give you 2mil isk if you run a forge only alt and get a K/D ratio of over 1 with a minimum sample of 200 kills or deaths, whichever happens first.

EDIT: And of course by forge only alt I mean no shooting at vehicles and no sidearms as this would skew the K/D ratio. But Im sure you can pull it off.

Im fed up that a AV weapon can be used as a anti infantry weapon. Its time to screw it up like with swarms. if you want a hand wielded railgun then you should have the same penalty. CCP should reduce the blast radius to 1.0m that should prevent it to be missused as AV weapon. Dont see a reason why a weapon that acts like a railgun shouldnt share the same penalty. Oh and reduce the blast damage to something like 100HP max.

Im fed up that a AV weapon can be used as a anti infantry weapon. Its time to screw it up like with swarms. if you want a hand wielded railgun then you should have the same penalty. CCP should reduce the blast radius to 1.0m that should prevent it to be missused as AV weapon. Dont see a reason why a weapon that acts like a railgun shouldnt share the same penalty. Oh and reduce the blast damage to something like 100HP max.

The forge gun is a handheld railgun yet it can do everything that a large railgun can do but more efficiently

The forge gun is an anti-vehicle/infantry/sniper/installation weapon while the large railgun for HAVs is only an anti-vehicle/installation weapon

Now the large railgun got nerfed because it killed infantry a bit too much, but yet the forge remains untouched

So the solution is to make the forge gun only anti-vehicle/installation so it cannot be used for fighting infantry, instead they will have to rely on ther sidearm slot to defend themselves in CQC

no its not. You can easily kill infantry with a forge if they are standing still - more fool them if they are doing this in open play. I can be sniped in 1 or 2 rounds (the later if a militia sniper with no sp) while trying to use a proto forge - and I often am as I try and chase tanks, whilst running at a snails pace. The splash damage for a forge is what? the size of a militia grenade?

The heavy can have a side weapon? Whoopee as opponents stay mid to long range. Heavies cant carry a nanohive. So no individual restocking.

Tank railguns may have had the splash damaged nerfed v infantry - and so what? A tank can have two other missile launchers that are still effective anti-infantry.

so wait, its to have a hand cannon, but its not ok for HAV's to do that much damage? if forge guns are doing 1000hp of damage, than why cant HAV's do that much damage, think about if for a moment, you have a giant machine with a giant cannon on it...


with enough firepower you'd think it would do alot of damage. But they dont and you can have something smaller and hand held and its ok for it to do more damage than something bigger than it O.o... wheres the fun in this game again?

So then buff the tank cannons then....lord knows infantry can't survive the "nerfed" damage anyway. infantry doesn't have shield boosters and shield resistance on top of shield extenders.

But don't make them harder to kill.

but if dont make them harder to kill than people will be losing lots and lots of money especially people like me the grinders with no funds in their corp to back them... Like come now, we already have hard to kill heavy troops their the infantry support, why cant the tanks be hard to kill that actually require SOME TACTICS. Instead of stupid free swarm launchers being the end all to end all.

The splash damage is the issue. No AV weapon should be able to snipe/oneshot infantry with splash damage, it's a joke.

Anybody who's worth mentioning with a forge is more than capable of this and anybody who disagree's must be crap with it.

The fact remains it's a swiss army knife at the minute and for very little investment. It can snipe, AI, AV and AA. That's pretty much the definition of OP for one guy and one weapon yet none of you see that obviously.

I'm sure you'd all have a massive problem with it if it was one guy in a tank no?, yet this is obviously balanced yes?. lol

I am beginning to think those that are calling for this nerf are trolls.