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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.11.09 00:43:00 -
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Im fed up that a AV weapon can be used as a anti infantry weapon. Its time to screw it up like with swarms. if you want a hand wielded railgun then you should have the same penalty. CCP should reduce the blast radius to 1.0m that should prevent it to be missused as AV weapon. Dont see a reason why a weapon that acts like a railgun shouldnt share the same penalty. Oh and reduce the blast damage to something like 100HP max. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.09 00:46:00 -
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Ditto for tanks missiles and rail guns. we shoot what you shoot. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.11.09 00:50:00 -
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Nerf hammer? Lolnever again |
exegr
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.09 00:51:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Im fed up that a AV weapon can be used as a anti infantry weapon. Its time to screw it up like with swarms. if you want a hand wielded railgun then you should have the same penalty. CCP should reduce the blast radius to 1.0m that should prevent it to be missused as AV weapon. Dont see a reason why a weapon that acts like a railgun shouldnt share the same penalty. Oh and reduce the blast damage to something like 100HP max.
If it is not a direct hit, you need 2-3 shots to down a militia assault. With a breach forge that sums up to approx 20-30 seconds. If you cant get out of there in half a minute or kill the (defenseless) forge gunner then you fail. |
BobThe843CakeMan
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.09 00:54:00 -
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i agree thts why they have a sidearm for. Lol |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2012.11.09 00:55:00 -
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agreed +1 |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:01:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Im fed up that a AV weapon can be used as a anti infantry weapon. Its time to screw it up like with swarms. if you want a hand wielded railgun then you should have the same penalty. CCP should reduce the blast radius to 1.0m that should prevent it to be missused as AV weapon. Dont see a reason why a weapon that acts like a railgun shouldnt share the same penalty. Oh and reduce the blast damage to something like 100HP max. There are only two types of Heavy weaponss - what would you say if I suggested nerf half of Light weapons? |
The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
373
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:06:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Im fed up that a AV weapon can be used as a anti infantry weapon. Its time to screw it up like with swarms. if you want a hand wielded railgun then you should have the same penalty. CCP should reduce the blast radius to 1.0m that should prevent it to be missused as AV weapon. Dont see a reason why a weapon that acts like a railgun shouldnt share the same penalty. Oh and reduce the blast damage to something like 100HP max. There are only two types of Heavy weaponss - what would you say if I suggested nerf half of Light weapons?
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:16:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: There are only two types of Heavy weaponss - what would you say if I suggested nerf half of Light weapons?
The forgegun is a AV weapon. And take a look what they did with swarms. Now its time to get rid off the forgeguners who sit the whole day on top of a hill and shoting down to any 1 that comes close to them.
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DJINN Riot
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:19:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Im fed up that a AV weapon can be used as a anti infantry weapon. Its time to screw it up like with swarms. if you want a hand wielded railgun then you should have the same penalty. CCP should reduce the blast radius to 1.0m that should prevent it to be missused as AV weapon. Dont see a reason why a weapon that acts like a railgun shouldnt share the same penalty. Oh and reduce the blast damage to something like 100HP max.
You have obviously never tired to kill someone with a forge gun. It is nigh-impossible.
The only shots i get that kill people are lucky shots, bodys(sans heavies) don't eat forge blasts, they fly through them until they hit the ground behind them. Without the splash, the weapon would be an exclusively AV weapon.( that would be like propsing that all other weapons did zero damage to vehicles)
I don't know if you realize how hard it is to kill you, because you are a red dot magnet, and i have hardly any defense against infantry.
TL;DR It is already very hard to kill people with a forge gun, making it harder is only going to nerf a relatively hard weapon to use. |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:25:00 -
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The issue is the perfect accuracy when crouched. If it even had slight dispersion, it could not snipe infantry at any real range. |
JACK THE R1PPER
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:31:00 -
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Joke post.
From a whiner that just drves around running people over in a jeep and if misses jumps out with a monkey gun.
Ignore idiot posts. |
The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
373
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:41:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:The issue is the perfect accuracy when crouched. If it even had slight dispersion, it could not snipe infantry at any real range.
I'm not sure that i've seen many Forge gunners crouching about when faced with infantry. I'm not saying you're wrong, i'm wondering if there are really enough people crouch-forging to make it an issue that needs attention? |
Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:43:00 -
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i have no problem with a weapon with a secondary purpose, at least its not a fire-and-forget type of thing. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:47:00 -
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not sure if OP is srs or got caught standing still one too many times to be hit by a forge........... |
immortal ironhide
SyNergy Gaming
80
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:48:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:The issue is the perfect accuracy when crouched. If it even had slight dispersion, it could not snipe infantry at any real range.
perfect accuracy when crouched? whatttt? pretty sure at any range the blast goes in the general area of where you aim
but yes lets get rid of the blast radius of a forge gun. make a heavy even more fckin easy to kill. for those that say well you have a sidearm...yea an smg or pistol is def gunna save me against an ar... forge gun is fine the way it is. if you get killed by a forge gunner on foot then kudos to the heavy, either he got a lucky shot, or you stayed in the same spot and let him range it in.
i have used forge guns 3 builds now i think? they do not need any change to them. swarms got adjusted becuase scouttards ran around spammin them at their feet magically taking no damage.
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Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:49:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:The issue is the perfect accuracy when crouched. If it even had slight dispersion, it could not snipe infantry at any real range.
theres no perfect accuracy with the forge, this build its much rougher to nail someone but there isnt a perfect accuracy the gun has a fairly high miss % even if your crosshairs light up. |
ATR Kuan Ti
Above The Rest
64
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:51:00 -
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Im not understanding this post so what your saying a gun that is ment to kill tanks should not be able to get ppl running around you know this is not a lock on wepon its a charge and fire. should beable to kill a person 1 shot if you hit him |
fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
213
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Posted - 2012.11.09 02:54:00 -
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go roll with a forge gun and tell me how you fair in anti personnel! I regularly roll forge heavies, trust me heavies don't want to use their forge for anti personnel already but they will, and given the investment and importance to the team that a forge heavy is heavies are fine!
yes they nerfed the **** out of swarms because they were turning into shotguns trust me i know i was dominating with them. how ever with the forge you have to go heavy. That limits speed and turn rate, so you really have to be able to defend against long range and short(forge and side arm). no forge are fine I die all the time to ARs shotguns and snipers, but forges less then any other weapon(WTE of lasers maybe), so should we nerf every thing else?? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1062
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Posted - 2012.11.09 02:54:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Ditto for tanks missiles and rail guns. we shoot what you shoot. perhaps the best way to nerf large missile launchers is to give them swarm tracking |
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fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
213
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Posted - 2012.11.09 02:59:00 -
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PS you know how AV weapons get thru all of that armor??? MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY!! => slower firerate, less ammo, lots of noise and and light, god awful fitting requirements, but no they need a nerf because you can be bothered to notice where they are and to get out of their way.
ps ive never play heavy dont want to, and i will agree that some of the high end tank missle could use a splash damage nerf, but not most of them. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2012.11.09 03:31:00 -
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Have you ever tried to bean someone with a Forge Gun? The last time I actually killed someone with a direct hit was when an unlucky LAV driver drove in front of me and exposed his side.
It was funny as hell to watch his Baloch roll to a stop without him, but it was luck.
I almost one-shotted a scout suit with the splash damage once, but he bolted out of there before I could finish charging. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.11.09 04:02:00 -
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immortal ironhide wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:The issue is the perfect accuracy when crouched. If it even had slight dispersion, it could not snipe infantry at any real range. perfect accuracy when crouched? whatttt? pretty sure at any range the blast goes in the general area of where you aim but yes lets get rid of the blast radius of a forge gun. make a heavy even more fckin easy to kill. for those that say well you have a sidearm...yea an smg or pistol is def gunna save me against an ar... forge gun is fine the way it is. if you get killed by a forge gunner on foot then kudos to the heavy, either he got a lucky shot, or you stayed in the same spot and let him range it in. i have used forge guns 3 builds now i think? they do not need any change to them. swarms got adjusted becuase scouttards ran around spammin them at their feet magically taking no damage.
this. heavies dont need anymore nerfs
swarms got nerfed because any suit can use it and when u got scouts super strafing to jump rocket u at cqc like ironhide said like it was in the 1st build then u have a problem.
Heavies using FG is not the same as swarms back then, heavies turn speed is slow and for those that say "use a sidearm" yeaaaa..........SMGs got an effective range of what? 15m? lol
last thing we need is LESS ppl skillin into AV because a few ppl got caught standing still or some actual good FG got them with a one off shot |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
320
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Posted - 2012.11.09 06:37:00 -
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Accuracy on Forge guns is total crap. Not only that, but they seem to have poor range too. Not only that, but speed and mobility and steal are all crap because you have to be a heavy. Not only that, but you can't hear a thing when you are charging because they don't give you ****ing earmuffs with the gun. Not only that, but they don't allow you use an equipment slot so your few rounds are all you've got. Not only that, but when you charge up you either slow down considerably or stop completely. Not only that, but the rounds don't evade walls like swarm missiles can. Not only that, but the gun lights you up like a christmas tree. Not only that, but the rounds can do pretty poor damage. Not only that, but to train the secondary skills you need more SP as they are an x3 skill.
Yeah. Nerf forge guns. |
xMarauder
Doomheim
139
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Posted - 2012.11.09 06:46:00 -
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Not another nerf thread... And for the forge gun!?!?
I swear... Some people.... |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
197
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:14:00 -
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exegr wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Im fed up that a AV weapon can be used as a anti infantry weapon. Its time to screw it up like with swarms. if you want a hand wielded railgun then you should have the same penalty. CCP should reduce the blast radius to 1.0m that should prevent it to be missused as AV weapon. Dont see a reason why a weapon that acts like a railgun shouldnt share the same penalty. Oh and reduce the blast damage to something like 100HP max. If it is not a direct hit, you need 2-3 shots to down a militia assault. With a breach forge that sums up to approx 20-30 seconds. If you cant get out of there in half a minute or kill the (defenseless) forge gunner then you fail.
wow you must be horrible at aim since a forge one shots everything +1 forge dont need splash being AV weapons.
not realy a nerf it still have the smae killing power vs tanks and dropships since you dont really use splash to take them out your use the direct damage makes sense all it would do is stop people from using it as a AI weapon |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
197
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:23:00 -
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Reimus Klinsman wrote:Accuracy on Forge guns is total crap. Not only that, but they seem to have poor range too. Not only that, but speed and mobility and steal are all crap because you have to be a heavy. Not only that, but you can't hear a thing when you are charging because they don't give you ****ing earmuffs with the gun. Not only that, but they don't allow you use an equipment slot so your few rounds are all you've got. Not only that, but when you charge up you either slow down considerably or stop completely. Not only that, but the rounds don't evade walls like swarm missiles can. Not only that, but the gun lights you up like a christmas tree. Not only that, but the rounds can do pretty poor damage. Not only that, but to train the secondary skills you need more SP as they are an x3 skill.
Yeah. Nerf forge guns.
1. a forge can pop a dropship out of the sky the breach has poor range because its a breach varient 2. thats a issue with the heavy suit 3. theres nothing to hear any way 4. thats the heavy suit not the forge 5. thats the type your using get a different forge 6. the rounds also one shot everything 7. forges are shock and awe people scatter when they see that christmas tree 8. you should be able to one shot anything with a forge if you can aim 9. thats the price of having damage measured in 1000s
this wouldnt even affect thier ability to kill tanks its a nerf aimed at stopping thier AI uses whats the problem with stopping a weapon from being used as a AI when its clearly meant to be AV?
edit: obviously they dont one shot tanks or dropships but thats not what this tread is aimed at its aimed at stopping a AV weapon from being used as a AI weapon which the forges is fairly effective at |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
197
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:25:00 -
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fred orpaul wrote:PS you know how AV weapons get thru all of that armor??? MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY!! => slower firerate, less ammo, lots of noise and and light, god awful fitting requirements, but no they need a nerf because you can be bothered to notice where they are and to get out of their way.
ps ive never play heavy dont want to, and i will agree that some of the high end tank missle could use a splash damage nerf, but not most of them.
dont nerf tank turrets its all they have left to actually be effective
the forges dont need splash though its not like you could miss a tank and splash damage to a tank is negligible |
immortal ironhide
SyNergy Gaming
80
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:33:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:Reimus Klinsman wrote:Accuracy on Forge guns is total crap. Not only that, but they seem to have poor range too. Not only that, but speed and mobility and steal are all crap because you have to be a heavy. Not only that, but you can't hear a thing when you are charging because they don't give you ****ing earmuffs with the gun. Not only that, but they don't allow you use an equipment slot so your few rounds are all you've got. Not only that, but when you charge up you either slow down considerably or stop completely. Not only that, but the rounds don't evade walls like swarm missiles can. Not only that, but the gun lights you up like a christmas tree. Not only that, but the rounds can do pretty poor damage. Not only that, but to train the secondary skills you need more SP as they are an x3 skill.
Yeah. Nerf forge guns. 1. a forge can pop a dropship out of the sky the breach has poor range because its a breach varient 2. thats a issue with the heavy suit3. theres nothing to hear any way 4. thats the heavy suit not the forge5. thats the type your using get a different forge 6. the rounds also one shot everything 7. forges are shock and awe people scatter when they see that christmas tree 8. you should be able to one shot anything with a forge if you can aim 9. thats the price of having damage measured in 1000s this wouldnt even affect thier ability to kill tanks its a nerf aimed at stopping thier AI uses whats the problem with stopping a weapon from being used as a AI when its clearly meant to be AV? edit: obviously they dont one shot tanks or dropships but thats not what this tread is aimed at its aimed at stopping a AV weapon from being used as a AI weapon which the forges is fairly effective at
all forge guns have the same range
rounds do not one shot everything...you do 250 splash..90% of suits have more hp then this so a one shot is not gunna happen..unless you get that luck direct hit
ppl scatter when they see the christmas tree? HAHAHAHAAHAHAH when im not using the forge and i see a christmas tree, i go right for it. Why? cuz i can kill the heavy with my ar before he charges the forge, and if he switches to a sidearm ill just back up a bit so im out of his range
forge has to be fairly effective as AI cuz well lets see you are slow suit, only have 16 rounds (seems ppl forget about the small ammo supply), at times ur rounds seem to just dissappear (framerate issue still i believe), sidearms are a joke against an ar.
so yea lets nerf forge gun splash damage, make a forge gunner a true suicide route (probly dont even get my 72 virgins when i die). take away splash damage and anyone close truly will track down the heavy. stay at 50m and unless they are a god with a pistol, you will kill them all the time
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Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
907
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:51:00 -
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immortal ironhide wrote:
all forge guns have the same range
rounds do not one shot everything...you do 250 splash..90% of suits have more hp then this so a one shot is not gunna happen..unless you get that luck direct hit
ppl scatter when they see the christmas tree? HAHAHAHAAHAHAH when im not using the forge and i see a christmas tree, i go right for it. Why? cuz i can kill the heavy with my ar before he charges the forge, and if he switches to a sidearm ill just back up a bit so im out of his range
forge has to be fairly effective as AI cuz well lets see you are slow suit, only have 16 rounds (seems ppl forget about the small ammo supply), at times ur rounds seem to just dissappear (framerate issue still i believe), sidearms are a joke against an ar.
so yea lets nerf forge gun splash damage, make a forge gunner a true suicide route (probly dont even get my 72 virgins when i die). take away splash damage and anyone close truly will track down the heavy. stay at 50m and unless they are a god with a pistol, you will kill them all the time
Totally agree. Forge guns are a rare breed and one of the few truly fun, rewarding, and unique weapons in this game. It takes skill to use them and patience to level them up. They have been nerfed every build. Leave them alone.
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