I want besides the Skirmish/Ambush REGULAR maps an OPTIONAL skirmish/Ambush maps option where there are no vehicles.
Those wanting vehicles/infantry can go play the regular maps.

I want an OPTION to chose skirmish/ambush maps with NO VEHICLES just infantry.

Topic.

No they wont do this but there will be maps with huge downsides for tankers etc.

I want besides the Skirmish/Ambush REGULAR maps an OPTIONAL skirmish/Ambush maps option where there are no vehicles.
Those wanting vehicles/infantry can go play the regular maps.

I want an OPTION to chose skirmish/ambush maps with NO VEHICLES just infantry.

Topic.

Sooooo......

You wont mind if i drop a tank in then?

While I don't care if they do this, it would be 1000000 times better if they just made the maps have actual interiors, roofs, walls, and tunnels so infantry have mobility and utility without being mere target practice for turrets.

The problem is that currently some corporations came to unexpected wealth which has led to a surprising high amount of machinery. There should be no round with 4 tanks at once for one side. At least not in the no corporation battles, otherwise it will just turn off every non-vehicle player.

@Jason: I'd really like you to see it a bit more differentiated. Having vehicles is fun and stuff but if you want people to have more tolerance towards players with vehicle playstyle you should show a bit more tolerance to those who prefer vehicle free gameplay instead of basically saying "Screw you, if you don't happen to be one of the few AV focused people out there who actually have a chance to take down non militia tanks". Vehicle free gameplay offers exciting new possibilities (mainly talking about close quarter building based gameplay, which this game currently lacks. I want some big complex building structures where i can fight over corridors in addition to wide field sniper / vehicle catering maps. Also if i am right he proposed basicaly an additional gamemode with existing maps with no vehicles which kind of made your whole argumentation basis invalid. So i'd say that it was actually your comment that was "just bad" since it showed that you didn't read the post careful enough.

I want besides the Skirmish/Ambush REGULAR maps an OPTIONAL skirmish/Ambush maps option where there are no vehicles.
Those wanting vehicles/infantry can go play the regular maps.

I want an OPTION to chose skirmish/ambush maps with NO VEHICLES just infantry.

Topic.

I want besides the Skirmish/Ambush REGULAR maps an OPTIONAL skirmish/Ambush maps option where there are no vehicles.
Those wanting vehicles/infantry can go play the regular maps.

I want an OPTION to chose skirmish/ambush maps with NO VEHICLES just infantry.

Topic.

The problem is that currently some corporations came to unexpected wealth which has led to a surprising high amount of machinery. There should be no round with 4 tanks at once for one side. At least not in the no corporation battles, otherwise it will just turn off every non-vehicle player.

@Jason: I'd really like you to see it a bit more differentiated. Having vehicles is fun and stuff but if you want people to have more tolerance towards players with vehicle playstyle you should show a bit more tolerance to those who prefer vehicle free gameplay instead of basically saying "Screw you, if you don't happen to be one of the few AV focused people out there who actually have a chance to take down non militia tanks". Vehicle free gameplay offers exciting new possibilities (mainly talking about close quarter building based gameplay, which this game currently lacks. I want some big complex building structures where i can fight over corridors in addition to wide field sniper / vehicle catering maps. Also if i am right he proposed basicaly an additional gamemode with existing maps with no vehicles which kind of made your whole argumentation basis invalid. So i'd say that it was actually your comment that was "just bad" since it showed that you didn't read the post careful enough.

+ 1 billion.


Otherwise wuts the point of infantry. LAV can go everywhere there is no point in infantry really.

Whats wrong with just one district on a planet having an underground HQ or a massive warehouse or somthing.

Or some jungle or forests or well anything other than owide open areas everywhere.

Just go play another game if you don't want vehicles to be a factor.

I'd be fine with having more terrain that limits their effectiveness, but there shouldn't be a "no vehicles" mode any more than there should be a " no heavies" or "no shotguns" mode.

aw somebody doesnt like dying to tanks lol.

tech, shouldnt you go answer your call? your call to duty? lol had to be done, but really, they dont have any vehicles

why do you think that?

Underground bunker style things.
Operation Metro from BF3 is one of the best examples of this type of map IMHO.

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Replace Map with Gamemode.
There shouldn't be a single map/gamemode that limits me in calling in whatever I damn well please in terms of mechanics. No gamemode restrictions saying "Sorry mate, but you spent 3mil SP on Vehicles so **** YOU, go play with your militia gear with not even 100k SP in actual infantry based skills", instead I said there should totally be map limitations in the sense that theres lots of alleys or a lot of cover from above. Buildings with inside and such. Any more flaws in my post you want to point out? The idea itself is still just bad.

This great for say, a tournament. Outside of a sporting settings, you have ignored one crucial factor:

This is New Eden.

EVE online has no "frigates only combat" mechanic, only the players do that via the Red vs Blue wars (keyword, players). Since this MMO is a free for all, I doubt that there will be such thing as a pure infantry map in capturable planets. At best, you can hope for planet complexes where vehicles are useless, and only infantry can access said complexes (Or if the complex is not worth capturing, blow it sky high with tank and artillery weapons. )

Metro is one of the worst Battlefield maps ever created, in the context of a Battlefield game, obviously such a map could be suited to another popular franchise. I seriously believe the focus they've put on inf-only is one of the biggest factors to the overall watering down of the series. Sure, we have freedom of choice, but as a BF vet, BF3 just doesn't feel like "Battlefield".

Don't care if I'm thought of as elitist or whatever for this, but most vets will agree with me, especially the last bit.

Anyway, I'd rather if CCP were to do this, they do it when - what I see as - other more important aspects of the game are finished. Sure maps don't take a lot of time to make (depending on a few factors of course), but it's still an unnecessary distraction.

Needless to say, I personally play these games for the vehicular combat. if I want to play an infantry shooter then I load up Counter-Strike. There's more than enough inf combat going on in this game anyway so I don't see any need for inf only.

+1

Balance by giving both their strong environments. Otherwise it's just RPS, not skill based. Still, EVERY map should have sections like this. It is more interesting to have multiple options than to just separate into different gamemodes. Emergent gameplay.

No, you shouldn't be able to filter out the kinds of things you have trouble fighting against. What they've done with maps right now is to make some areas fairly open and vehicle-friendly, while other areas are more urban/built-up and safer for infantry. That's the ideal solution.

So if you want to avoid vehicles, then fight in areas of the existing maps where tanks/whatever can't navigate as easily. But further dividing the playerbase between more and more game modes would be a bad idea.

Vehicles are another players playstyle and therefore totally fine for any match. We shouldn't limit vehicles to certain maps by map based restrictions automatically disallowing them. By all means, have maps that make it unsuitable for Vehicle combat, such as a suburb area with lots of alleys with no place to actually place a tank, or with only a few places that are suitable for them. Places with lot's of shelters to protect from dropships and other air vehicles.

Right now, what you're proposing is just bad imo.

I want besides the Skirmish/Ambush REGULAR maps an OPTIONAL skirmish/Ambush maps option where there are no vehicles.
Those wanting vehicles/infantry can go play the regular maps.

I want an OPTION to chose skirmish/ambush maps with NO VEHICLES just infantry.

Topic.

They can play all they want on the maps, in the Vehicle only mode. Which is what the regular mode we play now is turning into. As for sections of the map vehicles can't get to? In all of Dust right now there is less than 20 square meters that is entirely protected from any and all damage than can be dealt by some vehicles weapons.

Yes, there are those who Want to use vehicles and have specced into them.

You are forgetting that there are whole groups of people who have NO specs in av and who do NOT want to play against a constant stream of tanks and dropships everyday, and these people should have the option to play without those issues popping up. They shouldn't all have to learn AV skills just to get to play the way THEY want to when the field is finally vehicle free, if the field is finally vehicle free, at the end of the match after all of the vehicles are disposed of.

This would be especially good for new players who are just starting out and have no idea about the missile splash damage fest they are blindly walking into.

Then THEY can find a theme park game that doesn't have vehicles, THEY can put some SP into adapting to the changing battlefield, or THEY can team up with people that can.

I want besides the Skirmish/Ambush REGULAR maps an OPTIONAL skirmish/Ambush maps option where there are no vehicles.
Those wanting vehicles/infantry can go play the regular maps.

I want an OPTION to chose skirmish/ambush maps with NO VEHICLES just infantry.

The result of this would mean no infantry players would ever queue for maps where there are vehicles. Vehicle maps would be nothing but vehicles with a couple newbies who accidentally joined the game mode, although their queue times would be so lengthy due to hardly anyone trying to play those maps that chances are you'd never even get a vehicle game going.

This is a terrible solution to the issue of vehicle balance.

why do you think that?

The result of this would mean no infantry players would ever queue for maps where there are vehicles. Vehicle maps would be nothing but vehicles with a couple newbies who accidentally joined the game mode, although their queue times would be so lengthy due to hardly anyone trying to play those maps that chances are you'd never even get a vehicle game going.

This is a terrible solution to the issue of vehicle balance.

Giving players the option to turn off vehicles will, in that mode, negate ALL the value of someone who's skilled into vehicle operation. I can understand someone who doesn't like tanks thinking that's ok.

Problem is, it ALSO negates the value of anyone who's invested all their skillpoints into AV infantry skills.

I've focused pretty heavily on making my character good at AV operations. I've spent a lot more SP on anti-vehicle skills than I have on anti-infantry effectiveness.

You want a mode where ALL vehicles AND about half the infantry in the game are basically removed from play.

No thanks.

Jesus Christ...it's an additional mode. He's not saying remove more vehicle maps. He's requesting to ADD an additional mode. Which means.....MORE than less.

Players like yourself who specced into vehicle and anti-vehicle will still queue for vehicle maps. And players, especially, new players who haven't will queue for infantry. Why are you guys being close-minded?

This worked in BF3 and it has worked in MAG. Some people queue for Metro, others queue for Caspian Border. Some people play Sabotage, others play Domination. There is something for everyone.

+1 to the OP

For a mode where there's a fight inside a War Barge, or the possibility to fight inside the MCCs and take them down that way, there would be environments that don't allow vehicles within the battlefield - but that WOULDN'T mean the entire battle is fought without vehicles.

For urban maps, there would be areas that are far more infantry-friendly and far less suitable to bring vehicles into.

There are plenty of ways to limit vehicle use within certain areas of the battlefield, and plenty of ways to encourage new players to use the provided infinite-use Starter Fits until they get the hang of things so their deaths don't matter as much while they learn the ropes.

I don't see the value in a mode which removes core elements of the game.

The point I'm making is that something like the OP is suggesting would encourage new players NOT to learn, and to just stick to the no-vehicles mode if they don't care to play the full game. With the way New Eden is structured, there's no rational incentive for non-vehicle battles outside of a possible arena type setting.

FPSMMO. Core elements being OP vehicles. Yeah..... since when is letting noobs who would normally get spanked heavily by more experienced players get utterly thrashed by insanely unbalanced vehicles a core mechanic?

Maps like Communications on ambush are already built the way you describe.... but they don't stop those tanks from raining small and large missile turret barrages on every surface in sight in sight to 1 & 2 shot everyone with splash damage over at least 90% of the map, not to mention dropships flying overhead can still rain death on 99% of the map. Ashland is similar for dropships because of the high cranes and such, but it doesn't stop the dropships from just looping the outside of the map and blasting OHK missiles over the whole area. It would be the same for any map you make unless you just make it impossible for the vehicles to get there. There will always be a way for this to happen no matter how the map is designed unless they do some serious work on the missile turret issue.

would love for maps to be more rugged so tanks and LAV would have to focus on not running off cliffs or getting stuck in canyons, and more interior space would be great for more infantry combat.

make large external like lifts, drawbridges and gates so tanks have to get out of have infantry support to use these

Just a side note, any map that is cluttered or close quartered enough to restrict vehicle movement in the way you guys describe will also restrict usability of swarms and open space for forge guns to charge up and clear skies through which they can fire, thereby also restricting the viability of at least 2 of our current AV abilities. Just throwing that out there.

Av nades still work

I want besides the Skirmish/Ambush REGULAR maps an OPTIONAL skirmish/Ambush maps option where there are no vehicles.
Those wanting vehicles/infantry can go play the regular maps.

I want an OPTION to chose skirmish/ambush maps with NO VEHICLES just infantry.

Topic.

Some of the post are of things for infantry to get behind,underneath(cover)impassable terrain.But a completely inclosed infantry only map say in a building is gonna be a no go......even if you go beast mode then whats the point in such a map that makes it impossible to OS people?Warfare is 3 dimensional not Linear.

But even if you have a section on a map where vehicles won't be able to go.....infantry will stay there while vehicles will just drive around watching paint dry.

This is a really viable idea and it's proven that it works because it is like that in other games. This game is a vehicle styled game and not a shooter. I'm exaggerating, of course....but most of the games are decided by Vipers, Prometheus', Gunnlogis, etc. All of the vehicles are relatively difficult to take down, requiring more than one or two people at a time. Although, I don't like it...I'm fine with it. But adding infantry only modes or maps will be great.

If anything, CCP can reward the vehicle maps with more ISK than infantry maps. Then that might enourage players to play on those maps if they choose to. But when they feel like just shooting someone, then they should have the option to do so.

Ambush, TDM should definitely be without vehicles.....if that's the only change then that would suffice. Leave all other maps and modes the same but change ambush modes to infantry only modes. I have never seen a fps where you can just roll a tank and obliterate the entire opposition. In BF3, there is one tank allowed for squad death match and it's the dumbest thing in the world.