I agree. the only issue is that when you have friendly ds up in air i will just hunt forge gunners.

If other team has drop ship(s) bringing in a forge is expensive and normally I get killed by reds on the ground not the drop ships.

shooting a forge is a dead give away and I get popped pretty quick. I have tried calling LAVs but that just gives away my local. Running across a map in a heavy is pointless too.

so yes the mechanic is there to take down dropships with forge guns but in practice there is a high rate of failure. That can't be denied.

Lol idiots blaming the swarms. Blaming the dropships. Not understanding the game at all.

It's the maps!

I could have a map that is [kitten]ing flat and I would still not be able to hit a dropship.

Lol idiots blaming the swarms. Blaming the dropships. Not understanding the game at all.

It's the maps!

AGREED!!
Its the kitten MAPS that one shot forge gunners and not! the poor OP dropships that must be protected from anything that can lockon and kill them.

Its the MAPS that let you go 100 and 0 and not the INSTAKILL turrets on the OP dropships.
Its the MAPS that let you just say MAP!! and a few seconds later you are 100 and 0 with huge SP and ISK gains.!!

Hmmm let me try that!
MAP!!
Nothing!!
So whats the secret to saying MAP!! and getting 100 kills and ZERO deaths??

I think we should go back a few builds when AR's were able to take out tanks and dropships... but thats just me.

Clearly this is hard to understand for you, but if the maps weren't 100% open then it wouldn't matter how powerful vehicles and turrets were, since infantry would have a role by necessity where the vehicles couldn't reach.

Clearly this is hard to understand for you, but if the maps weren't 100% open then it wouldn't matter how powerful vehicles and turrets were, since infantry would have a role by necessity where the vehicles couldn't reach.

Skill up with a forge. They can 2 hit kill my 4200 shield myron. Or, wait for the dropship to camp a spot and lay in the swarms. They're not broken, you just have to work as a team to take them down, which is the way it should be. If it takes 2-3 guys to make an effective dropship then it should take 2-3 guys working together to knock it down.

Let's improve the maps, and the Swarms!

I think that is a good compromise.

Dropships I try to stay away from, tanks I actively run too... The difference is night and day. As infantry only, I can easily coordinate and take out tanks with my AV (whether it be grenades or swarms). Dropships are different right now in that they require a certain AV spec in order to kill them (Forge guns).

Dropships cant be killed with AV grenades (altho Ive hit a few) and atm rarely killed with Swarms (tried this as well) if the pilot is any good. The only thing that seems to have fighting chance is a fully speccd Forge Gunner. IMHO

Yes maps with a more inclosed close-quarters area where infantry can battle it out.

Also I've suggested before the othe turrets are hard to track their paths and the feel of them seem weak. Give me a mini-gun with greater range and have it tear threw infantry, and railguns that actually seem to do damage and also feel cooler than a pew pew feel.

Then there aare the useless swarms and the crazy bucking that they cause your shield DS to do. The rocking from swarms needs to be toned down but not removed, and there should be DIFFERENT types of swarm launchers. Everything to tank busters, dropship droppers, to anti infantry. Variety is the spice of life!

Not true. It takes approximately 3 AV nades and a clip from an SMG. I know. I've done it. And yes, it was in the air trying to kill me at the time.

Lol idiots blaming the swarms. Blaming the dropships. Not understanding the game at all.

It's the maps!

You forgot the main ingredient in that kill dropship formula:

99% IDIOT Dropship pilot.
1% 3 AV nades and finish with a sprinkle of SMG bullets for toasty dropship.

Dropships are DUST's versions of the COD AC-130

Very true. I was a sniping and he decided to sit within range. My point is that it doesn't take a lot of damage, you just have to get the damage on the target. Anyone can kill a DS.

I would tend to agree with this. I think the problem is that your team communicated so poorly that they got red lined. Had you not gotten red lined, then the DS wouldn't have done so well. When you see a DS on the field, or a tank for that matter, your squad needs to resupply into AV fits and get them off the field. Done and done. Zion has no problems with this - see the results of our matches this past weekend in the tournament where several tanks and DS were killed in the same match.

Just hopped in another match with the same three guys. No one on the team can even be a part of the double SP weekend because Caeli, Tiel and Noc take literally all of the kills.

This is probably the first time I've ever wanted to betray a team mate...

Except AC-130's do not last for eternity.

time to invest in a militia dropship and kamakaze these assholes.