So! I just went into a game solo and guess who I run into? Imperfects on either side of the match!

Imperfects Side A:

Aldin Kan
Tiel Syssch
Cairn

Imperfects Side B:
Mr Zitro
xHencemen
And someone else

Tiel Syssch calls in his dripshit and he goes 69 - 0! Incase your eyes decieve you, he went 69 - 0. They then change and the other dripshit pilot went 9 - 0! Between the 2 dripshit pilots they went 78 - 0!

And this was against a bunch of other imperfects!

Now the other imperfects were firing swarms at Tiel but it did absolutely nothing! Imperfects B even got their tank destroyed!

So as much as CCP says that the swarms are fixed, I am sorry to say its not!

It is just my humble opinion their either dripshits be allowed to have only blasters, so all they can do is drop troops in and out of battles or buff up the swarms to help take out these dripshits!

Another option would be to have SAMs (Surface to Air)!

Enjoy!

Swarms vs dropships are completey useless that's a fact, unless you using it on a DS that's just stand still then yeah it's effective.

Well I thought CCP said the swarms were fixed and it should take the fastest/shortest route to a dripshit? It doesnt! Thats all Im trying to say!

This aspect of the game is broken and needs some TLC! Thats all folks!

Not broken. L2Forge

Well I thought CCP said the swarms were fixed and it should take the fastest/shortest route to a dripshit? It doesnt! Thats all Im trying to say!

This aspect of the game is broken and needs some TLC! Thats all folks!

Not broken. L2Forge

So! I just went into a game solo and guess who I run into? Imperfects on either side of the match!

Imperfects Side A:

Aldin Kan
Tiel Syssch
Cairn

Imperfects Side B:
Mr Zitro
xHencemen
And someone else

Tiel Syssch calls in his dripshit and he goes 69 - 0! Incase your eyes decieve you, he went 69 - 0. They then change and the other dripshit pilot went 9 - 0! Between the 2 dripshit pilots they went 78 - 0!

And this was against a bunch of other imperfects!

Now the other imperfects were firing swarms at Tiel but it did absolutely nothing! Imperfects B even got their tank destroyed!

So as much as CCP says that the swarms are fixed, I am sorry to say its not!

It is just my humble opinion their either dripshits be allowed to have only blasters, so all they can do is drop troops in and out of battles or buff up the swarms to help take out these dripshits!

Another option would be to have SAMs (Surface to Air)!

Enjoy!

You liked it.

Also, not my dropship. I was gunning in one of our guys' the whole time, then he parked in our spawn to call in the OBs we earned, that's where he got his 9 kills from.

lol it took a lot to take out my first tank (about 2 forges and buttload of ADV/Proto swarms), the second tank got blown up by a damn collision to the wall xD

I lol'd. AV vs Air isn't where its supposed to be. Swarms need to be able to catch the derpship and ECM's are whatever they plan on introducing need to be the counter. Vs infantry they are insane, doing well over 500 damage per missile, dropping my heavy with 1k+ HP in a few hits.

Swarms don't target infantry. Don't hug the tank and you wouldn't get killed.

Swarm Launchers are ineffective against Dropships, but do just fine against LAV's, are you saying that LAV's are broken as well? You see, everyone thinks that each weapon is a "kill anything" type of thing. Yes, having a missile launcher is cool and all, but if that isn't the best weapon to use against it, then why should it get buffed? I'm sorry, this isn't World of Warcraft. Everyone is not equal. There are better methods to taking something out than getting a quick lock on a weapon and crying because it missed.

I'm talking about the derpships sirry birry!

Everyone also missed the point where they're using swarms vs shield Dropships (in general). Very few people fly armour ones for obvious reasons... I'm thinking you TI chaps are pretty clued up on this kinda stuff. I quite agree, although they could perhaps put a specific AA launcher in. Only standard tier IMHO.

Btw, the forge DOES do everything. So it should. It's Dust514's awesome cool weapon. So it should be awesome and cool. Which it is :D

Tanks were never that op.

So! I just went into a game solo and guess who I run into? Imperfects on either side of the match!

Imperfects Side A:

Aldin Kan
Tiel Syssch
Cairn

Imperfects Side B:
Mr Zitro
xHencemen
And someone else

Tiel Syssch calls in his dripshit and he goes 69 - 0! Incase your eyes decieve you, he went 69 - 0. They then change and the other dripshit pilot went 9 - 0! Between the 2 dripshit pilots they went 78 - 0!

And this was against a bunch of other imperfects!

Now the other imperfects were firing swarms at Tiel but it did absolutely nothing! Imperfects B even got their tank destroyed!

So as much as CCP says that the swarms are fixed, I am sorry to say its not!

It is just my humble opinion their either dripshits be allowed to have only blasters, so all they can do is drop troops in and out of battles or buff up the swarms to help take out these dripshits!

Another option would be to have SAMs (Surface to Air)!

Enjoy!

Now why should only one AV weapon be effective?

If there is a dropship hammering your team and installations aren't available then at the time, yes, forge guns are the go to for AA that we have. I don't understand why people are giving out about this. If your getting hammered by a dropship(which cost a decent bit of ISK) then if you're well organised a couple of ye should spawn together with forge guns and blast them out of the sky. Forge guns hit hard and because of the price of dropship, pilots will develop respect if ya smack them. Use your gear!!!! It only costs ~100,000ISK and ~12,000SP to set yourself up with a great big hammer.

you're right, everyone should just train into heavies and into forge guns because it's the only thing to counter dropships. the anti air missiles that lock on to vehicles are clearly not meant to be used for that and are stupid and smell bad.

on a real note, a good dropship pilot will eat a forge gun hit and fly away just fine. meanwhile the one guy that has spawned as a heavy with a forge gun is easy pickings for anyone and everyone. i killed plenty of forge gunners with sniper fire, SMGs, assult rifles, and melee.

meanwhile the dropship can only be countered by a forge gun and even that is a long shot. the forge gun isn't accurate and you have to lead it when the ship is moving at a decent speed.

unless it's lagging you pretty much have to concentrate to hit the dropship just to hit it once and if the pilot is worth a damn he will be gone to repair or turn his gunner to kill the heavy in one or two shots

I think the only problem with Swam Launchers, is the path the missiles take. If I shoot in front of a moving target, the missiles will always chase it from behind regardless of what position it was fired from.

I'm doing skirmish because I can't find enough dropships in ambush to kill :(

want to down a dropship? get a forge :p

Im seeing more dropships used like flying tanks tbh

No CRU more tank in general with gunners and flying around shooting stuff all game, now tbh a dropship is ment to be a transport ship

So only way to change it is to make the CRU in every type of dropship and maybe no turrets tbh but with more tank since it cannot defend itself, really make it into a transport ship

Only way this will work is if you get SP/WP for people spawning in the dropship.

Im seeing more dropships used like flying tanks tbh

No CRU more tank in general with gunners and flying around shooting stuff all game, now tbh a dropship is ment to be a transport ship

So only way to change it is to make the CRU in every type of dropship and maybe no turrets tbh but with more tank since it cannot defend itself, really make it into a transport ship

dropship CRU is a tard magnet. every time they get used they just sit in the ship untill the enevitable death or untill a dedicated gunner leaves.

the dummies never hop out. even when a point is completly clear of enemies.
it's used in corp battles only i would say, because randoms are just too stupid to understand.

Thats why ther needs to be an eject button so you can boot them out

Now why should only one AV weapon be effective?

Because it is hilarious.

Well that and Forges require isk, bunch of SP, and skill. If Mass Drivers were good against DS that would just be weird. If HMGs were effective anti-air they would be broken. Militia swarm launchers are free so they can't be too good... at least that's my guess.

My free or paid Swarms are mostly used for picking on the free-bumper cars as they are being deployed. Any shots at other vehicles are generally to scare them away.

As has been said multiple times in this thread, a few forge gunners can do the following:
A. Destroy Dropship, before you go blah blah blah it's impossible, how about you play a game with me and slap one of your dropships up, let me get my buddy in as well, either you will go the route of A. or B. take your pick, while this method is the most hardest and somtimes impossible with a decent dropship pilot and a nice shield tank, it is possible and is done quite a bit, last 2 days alone I have personally taken, or help to take down 10 dropships (4 in one game, kills are my own) with a forge gun, 7 total yesterday and 3 today.

B. Make the dropship fear you, Some dropship pilots will be like god, ultra shield tank, taking 5 shots to take them down to low/no shields, this is where you are most effective, they fear you, their gunners can't get a good lock on you and they will run, and hide in their own spawn and heal up, come back maybe take out 3 people and you'll have another 2 shots in them and they will run while you pump another 1-2 in them making them less and less effective throughout the match, they know where you are after the first run, so make sure to switch up your location, again sometimes this is hard, reason being is they have good-excellent pilots in, this is where a friend comes into play, 2 forge guns on 2 sides of the map, or within 100m of eachother pumping away at a dropship it's sure to go down, unless again, you have gone up against one of the best dropship pilots, and there are a few who evade my wrath and ultimately survive the whole game.

Take my examples of B.

Playing on the 4 flag map, dropship called in, raping all infantry on the ground, I start forging him, 2 shots and he's half shield, meaning 5 forge and he's gone, most I pumped into him was 4, slight armor damage which he ran and healed up, ultimately he had 4 kills before I got my fit out, and he ended up with a total of 9, not the 78 that your talking, a decent forge gunner can ultimately take out or make useless any dropship as long as he has support via his team, either that dropship will die in flames, or run and hide, you choose.

we are talking about swarm launchers, not everyone wants to be in the useless heavy suit that can barely hold it's own against infantry. unless they gave all the race heavies then i wouldn't see why not even though it's a pain to get in the suit to start. meanwhile swarms can lock on be used by whatever flavor suit you want. if the pathing was corrected and perhaps the skill itself was made useful it would be a larger danger.

swarms vs forge gun is another discussion.

Everyone also missed the point where they're using swarms vs shield Dropships (in general). Very few people fly armour ones for obvious reasons... I'm thinking you TI chaps are pretty clued up on this kinda stuff. I quite agree, although they could perhaps put a specific AA launcher in. Only standard tier IMHO.

Btw, the forge DOES do everything. So it should. It's Dust514's awesome cool weapon. So it should be awesome and cool. Which it is :D

I agree the forge gun is meant to deal with high value high armored targets like tanks and Drop ships. I use one all the time. Most people want to kill players all the time so when a player is smart and saves sp for a well equiped tank or dropship all the who players specked to kill drop suits are caught with their pants down.
I don't think its a game mechanic issue more of a player knowledge base and team/squad issue.
If you decide to go into a CQC map with a all sniper squad and complain about how your getting face rolled by mini heavys then that's your own dam fault. same goes for tanks.
Tough tanks and DropShips need to be dealt with by a heavy with a forge gun or allot of players with swarm launchers. Just look how much a tank costs + its a tank if everyone could kill it it would lose all viability.

Now why should only one AV weapon be effective?

"I'm running 2,564ish shields and some level one turrets, oh and a nice shield recharger. that comes to about 350,000 ISK, a forge gun costs 6,000. lets run some numbers.

you can buy: 60 forge guns for what it costs me to buy 1 myron.

my current average ISK per [FULL AMBUSH] match is 70K. a full match takes 15 minutes.
that's 6 matches and an hour and a half using militia blueprint gear to buy a single outfitted myron.

to earn back what it cost me to Buy my myron it has to survive 6 matches (90 min)

to earn what it cost you to buy a forge gun it will take you .0851 matches
....thinking what is .0851 matches? it's a minute and 20 seconds


quit whining.

*all numbers rounded for convenience of mental math*
*all decimals accurate to the third point*"

Yeah, what a good idea. Why not buff the flight speed of missiles to counter dropships?.

At least that way any ground vehicles will get completely stomped off the map by any old scrub with a free fitting. +1!

/endsarcasm

As for the pathing being off. Are people actually that blind?. Swarms can seemingly navigate around corners and scenery, then proceed to chase you across the entire map.

This thread fails hard and is not the answer.

Just remove all AV and vehicles until they work. As they are now it's a waste of time and effort for anyone using vehicles unless they go into dropships and we all know how stupidly OP they are at the minute.

It's not the drops hip that needs nerfing, its the bloody missile turrets that have needed the ban hammer . However as in eve it must be in dust, so missiles don't get the nerf they deserve or need.

For me they'd should remove the small missile turrets period. They cannot or will not balance with all the other weapons.

Tony has been saying it for months, and while his general downer on the process that is this beta gets on my kitten occasionally, he has a valid point.

Leave the dropship and get rid of the small missile turret and if you can stomach it place the large turret in with the other turrets it competes with. It will open the game up much more.

i can agree on that. the missile turret is what gets them 30+/0 in dropships. they are supposed to be a APV not a gun boat.

and gun boats should be slow and not able to out run missiles.

Maybe missiles should require a locking before firing (lockon once then hold to fire as long as you want). Then tie lockon speed to signature size. It would definitely make them less "spammy" and make them feel more like missiles instead of rockets.

I still think limited ammo would solve a lot of problems with turrets. Ships in EVE don't have infinite ammo, so neither should vehicles.

They can't outrun small missiles, large missiles, rail guns, forge gun shots, or blaster fire.

Dropships are on the slow side, as you would see if you compared them to the fighter in the FanFest video. Very slow in comparison. You don't want your transport flying slower than your scouts can run, do you? Keep in mind that you will be riding in them once the maps really open up.