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You're wrong, and I'm not delusional. I have never seen anyone but a sniper camping in this game. Fights are not decided based on equipment. The kind of hyperbole and doomsaying you people engage in to build a case for more Halo-like gameplay is silly. Accept the fact that this simply comes down to preference, and that lower strafe speed doesn't mean the game no longer involves skill or nonsense like that. Dust is in a good place right now as far as strafing goes. It would be a shame if the vocal minority were to ruin that.

I believe the slower straife speed is just what this game needed. Playing a heavy we have no straife speed so we adapted by using cover. This is how it should be makes it much more tactile than running straight at someone and expecting your dance moves to be the deciding factor.

This makes your aiming skills much more important. And you already have auto aim available. So I really don't get this complaint.

Get good!

I believe the slower straife speed is just what this game needed. Playing a heavy we have no straife speed so we adapted by using cover. This is how it should be makes it much more tactile than running straight at someone and expecting your dance moves to be the deciding factor.

This makes your aiming skills much more important. And you already have auto aim available. So I really don't get this complaint.

Get good!

I believe the slower straife speed is just what this game needed. Playing a heavy we have no straife speed so we adapted by using cover. This is how it should be makes it much more tactile than running straight at someone and expecting your dance moves to be the deciding factor.

This makes your aiming skills much more important. And you already have auto aim available. So I really don't get this complaint.

Get good!

In reality, speed dominates power. The strafing method is the origin of Pray and Spray.

Strafing + Scout + Shotgun = gay

Strafing+ anything other then a scout + What ever weapon he's using = a way survival.


in this build, you're forced to sit there and take the blast.

In the last build, the best strafing methods wins.

Soon, you'll be seeing a player dancing around a nanohive that repairs armor and replenishes ammos. I can picture it now how silly and gay it is.

Who the hell uses AA?

Also saying get good when players had to ask the Devs to nerf something because they couldn't get good. Lol, show so much skill already for those that needed the Devs to hold their hands.

strafing is the equivalent of "dog fighting" on the ground.

strafing is the equivalent of "dog fighting" on the ground.

Now equipment doesn't decide a fight? Tell that to my Assault A Series, GEK Assault Rifle, Complex Damage Mods and Armor Rep. I'm able to drop players with no problem doesn't matter if it's a Heavy, Scout, Assault. Without strafing unnerfed, it makes the game have a lack feature in the gun game area.

I call bs on that

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A scout strafes just as slow as a heavy, and strafe speed is basically the only defense that the scout had in a gun fight, and now its gone. This isn't just a preference issue, its also a balance issue (poor scouts).

Poor scouts? Oh let's pitty those formerly intangible fairies that hopped around all day and night, that's exactly what they need right now

Who stands like an idiot while in a gun fight? Of course people are going to move around as an effort to break somebody else's aim.

They could not be hit because of the hit detection. Hit detection is fixed now, so if your aiming skills are better than their evasion skills, then you should be fine.
The scout trades defense for speed. If they can't use their speed in battle, then they have nothing. It is a balance issue.

Speed and a smaller hitbox

They could not be hit because of the hit detection. Hit detection is fixed now, so if your aiming skills are better than their evasion skills, then you should be fine.
The scout trades defense for speed. If they can't use their speed in battle, then they have nothing. It is a balance issue.

I believe the slower straife speed is just what this game needed. Playing a heavy we have no straife speed so we adapted by using cover. This is how it should be makes it much more tactile than running straight at someone and expecting your dance moves to be the deciding factor.

This makes your aiming skills much more important. And you already have auto aim available. So I really don't get this complaint.

Get good!

If they can't use the speed in a gun fight (strafing), then they have nothing. A smaller hitbox doesn't amount to anything if you're almost standing still.

Cover, we have tons of it

So aiming, positioning, team work, and using cover don't contribute at all? I guess if you ever meet someone with the exact same gear as you, the fight always ends in both of you dying simultaneously? I understand that you prefer faster strafing, but you need to understand that making up bullshit like what you wrote there doesn't help your side of the discussion. Everyone knows you're full of **** in asserting that you will always win a fight against someone with inferior gear than you have, because we've actually played Dust.

Speed and a smaller hitbox

Tactical means relating to tactics, and tactics is whatever set of available actions you do to maximize a desired result. This means if stafing was an available action, then it would be tactical.
Tactical =/= realistic.
I hate it when people just throw the word "tactical" around.

a : of or relating to tactics: as (1) : of or relating to small-scale actions serving a larger purpose (2) : made or carried out with only a limited or immediate end in view

what's the point in using cover when you have regenerating shields.

a : of or relating to tactics: as (1) : of or relating to small-scale actions serving a larger purpose (2) : made or carried out with only a limited or immediate end in view

Still its a balancing issue

-Assault has all round performance with decent run speed
-Logi same for the most part but with more support slots
-Heavy can take full clips and laugh it off and has horrible run speed

Scout has **** all for armor and shields 100 shields and 90 armor but our advantage is our speed

If i wanted to play Assault like everyone else i would, but what would be the point of the scout then?

And why would you care if they brought it back, as long as your aim is good, you could still drop me with a few bullets anyways. or should i say precision strike me

I call bs once again on the heavy assumption

Small hitbox = less sprayed rounds going into it which means it is harder to spray and pray at than any other suit

Since you gun game is so good, why do you need to waste time prancing when your fire could be more accurate from a still position?

I call bs once again on the heavy assumption

Small hitbox = less sprayed rounds going into it which means it is harder to spray and pray at than any other suit

Since you gun game is so good, why do you need to waste time prancing when your fire could be more accurate from a still position?

The end of which is winning. Anything is tactical if its something that contributes to the overall end or larger purpose (winning). If strafing was still an option, it would be tactical because it would help contribute to victory.
Nothing about the definition of tactical favors strafing over cover.

Again though, those that wanted to have a nerf on strafing lack the gun game and needed a Dev to hold their hand.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about.

............ if you think I'm wrong, then you're delusional.

Deciding NOT to go somewhere because you're too slow to get there is not a tactical decision.
Deciding not to go somewhere because you're too slow to get there is a game breaking limit.

It is a method of avoiding a sustained lock on by the player shooting you. You can't dodge bullets in this game because most of the weapons ARE hit scan. (they hit any surface you're aiming at instantly.) Some that aren't hit scan are the forge guns, swarms, mass drivers... basically anything that does not fire a bullet of some kind is projectile based.

It may look like they actually take time to across the battle field, but that's just an animation, the bullets ARE actually hitting what ever surface, or entity you're aiming at instantly.

Strafing required skill to be practiced effectively. Now... with player movement nerfed to ****, it has made this one small tactic that could change the outcome of a fight to a near worthless state.

Slow player movement DOES not encourage tactical warfare, it encourages camping, if you think I'm wrong, then you're delusional.
Deciding NOT to go somewhere because you're too slow to get there is not a tactical decision.

Deciding not to go somewhere because you're too slow to get there is a game breaking limit.

CCP does not want equipment to be the largest deciding factor in this game to decide who wins what battles, yet with this nerf, they did just that. If you want to win, tank it out with the best gear, and out shoot the other turtle that's running at you. Who ever has the thickest shell wins, or has the biggest gun, or has the right weapon for the situation.


Now don't get me wrong, some of these factors should help decide who wins what battle. But no factor should decide who wins more then a player's skill. Even the most casual FPS games abide by this rule of thumb. Yes, even COD.


Bring back our strafe speed, give us our ability to actually play this game to our full ability.

You must have never played Halo 1 for the Xbox. When you ADS you can't really strafe and to be honest the strafing here is pretty much the same as it was with Halo 1.

Now equipment doesn't decide a fight? Tell that to my Assault A Series, GEK Assault Rifle, Complex Damage Mods and Armor Rep. I'm able to drop players with no problem doesn't matter if it's a Heavy, Scout, Assault. Without strafing unnerfed, it makes the game have a lack feature in the gun game area.

Never thought we would agree on the same thing.

You must be one of those people that QQ'd about strafing players so you cried to the Devs right? Those with gun game can strafe and shoot at the same time and counter strafe and shoot at the same time. Those that lack skill in FPS games need someone or something to give them a edge. With that said, the nerf was highly unneeded and anyone that is good at FPS games know that.

I believe the slower straife speed is just what this game needed. Playing a heavy we have no straife speed so we adapted by using cover. This is how it should be makes it much more tactile than running straight at someone and expecting your dance moves to be the deciding factor.

This makes your aiming skills much more important. And you already have auto aim available. So I really don't get this complaint.

Get good!

You're wrong, and I'm not delusional. I have never seen anyone but a sniper camping in this game. Fights are not decided based on equipment. The kind of hyperbole and doomsaying you people engage in to build a case for more Halo-like gameplay is silly. Accept the fact that this simply comes down to preference, and that lower strafe speed doesn't mean the game no longer involves skill or nonsense like that. Dust is in a good place right now as far as strafing goes. It would be a shame if the vocal minority were to ruin that.

I thought aiming won the battles?

aiming correctly is a part of skill. if your aim sucks, you'll probably loose.

In this build however, your equipment decides who wins and who loses CCP did not want that to begin with, but they did just that with this new build.

It is a method of avoiding a sustained lock on by the player shooting you. You can't dodge bullets in this game because most of the weapons ARE hit scan. (they hit any surface you're aiming at instantly.) Some that aren't hit scan are the forge guns, swarms, mass drivers... basically anything that does not fire a bullet of some kind is projectile based.

It may look like they actually take time to across the battle field, but that's just an animation, the bullets ARE actually hitting what ever surface, or entity you're aiming at instantly.

Strafing required skill to be practiced effectively. Now... with player movement nerfed to ****, it has made this one small tactic that could change the outcome of a fight to a near worthless state.

Slow player movement DOES not encourage tactical warfare, it encourages camping, if you think I'm wrong, then you're delusional.
Deciding NOT to go somewhere because you're too slow to get there is not a tactical decision.

Deciding not to go somewhere because you're too slow to get there is a game breaking limit.

CCP does not want equipment to be the largest deciding factor in this game to decide who wins what battles, yet with this nerf, they did just that. If you want to win, tank it out with the best gear, and out shoot the other turtle that's running at you. Who ever has the thickest shell wins, or has the biggest gun, or has the right weapon for the situation.


Now don't get me wrong, some of these factors should help decide who wins what battle. But no factor should decide who wins more then a player's skill. Even the most casual FPS games abide by this rule of thumb. Yes, even COD.


Bring back our strafe speed, give us our ability to actually play this game to our full ability.

aiming correctly is a part of skill. if your aim sucks, you'll probably loose.

In this build however, your equipment decides who wins and who loses CCP did not want that to begin with, but they did just that with this new build.

Strafe speed has absolutely nothing to do with advancing on a position. That's forward movement. If you want to advance on a defended position you work as a squad providing cover fire to allow other squadmates to advance towards the enemy. There's nothing strategic about dancing your way toward the enemy. It's just exploiting a weakness of the control scheme.

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A scout strafes just as slow as a heavy, and strafe speed is basically the only defense that the scout had in a gun fight, and now its gone. This isn't just a preference issue, its also a balance issue (poor scouts).

Tactical means relating to tactics, and tactics is whatever set of available actions you do to maximize a desired result. This means if stafing was an available action, then it would be tactical.
Tactical =/= realistic.
I hate it when people just throw the word "tactical" around.

Strafing+ anything other then a scout + What ever weapon he's using = a way survival.


in this build, you're forced to sit there and take the blast.