We'll see i guess, the selling point for Dust is not being rewarded after ever match though. The selling point for Dust is tears and dominating other groups, the drama and metagame.

then another corp comes along and takes it from them without issues.
yeah, that would go over real well. totally going to have them keep playing a game.

yeah that is why i don't think dust players are going to be the ones owning the planets. the eve players simply build the sand castles and dust players run on them. the sand castles will trade corps multiple times while people make money.

you can only take systems in nullsec and even then it takes time, first it's destroy the resident's presence (station bash) and then there is another step involving sovereignty blockades, territorial control unit, anchoring your own station in system and various other things i am skipping because i don't know all the details.

its all here.

nothing involves the planets. no one has any idea how they are going to incorporate planets into it. all this talk about "factional warfare" just seems fishy to me. it's all just speculation and CCP has a tight lip.

lol.... 2 games I'm done.

I see a thread!

There's going to be a devblog on how the skill system changed, but here's the gist of it:

We noticed in the past few months that having the diminishing returns on a 24-hour cycle had some downsides to it. It forced players to log in every day in order to not lose out on skill gain and consequently made e.g. taking a break quite difficult. Simply put, we felt that things were a bit too intense. As a short-term measure to combat this, we made it so that the diminishing returns to reset every seven days instead of every 24 hours. This should allow players to choose when to play without feeling stressed out about jumping in every day (although you can do just that as well). A reasonable amount of game time each week should allow you to earn all the points you can and keep up with the more hardcore players. Overall pacing of the progression should remain somewhat intact, since we also rebalanced overall skill costs down a bit to match the new active skill gain speed.

As far as Boosters go, they will continue to work as they used to and will give you 50% more active SPs per week. They won't make you hit the cap faster.

Finally, the per-week skill caps are per character, so if you're hardcore, you can grind on your other characters if your main hits the cap.

Overall pacing of the progression should remain somewhat intact, since we also rebalanced overall skill costs down a bit to match the new active skill gain speed.

Here are the new base rates for a rank 1 skill:

Level 1 - 6,220 SP
Level 2 - 18,650 SP
Level 3 - 43,530 SP
Level 4 - 87,060 SP
Level 5 - 155,460 SP

interesting, any reason you didn't go with the EVE SP numbers for a skill even though SP in Dust is capped at EVE levels?

interesting, any reason you didn't go with the EVE SP numbers for a skill even though SP in Dust is capped at EVE levels?

They didn't say capped at eve levels ... they said in line with Eve (paraphrasing cos I can't be bothered looking it up) this could mean so that skill levelling is brought into line ... ie. it could take 30 days for level 5 HAV as some of the higher Eve skills take these sorts of times.

interesting, any reason you didn't go with the EVE SP numbers for a skill even though SP in Dust is capped at EVE levels?

As pointed out above, the two games are very different in terms of pacing. While it was necessary to align and cap the skill gain rates to EVE in order to have future compatibility, we don't necessarily need to share the same pacing. We also didn't want to drastically change the pacing we had, so the solution was to make DUST skills cheaper compared to EVE skills in terms of SP. The goal is to have a rewarding progression that lets you feel you can reach new shiny things by playing the game.

As pointed out above, the two games are very different in terms of pacing. While it was necessary to align and cap the skill gain rates to EVE in order to have future compatibility, we don't necessarily need to share the same pacing. We also didn't want to drastically change the pacing we had, so the solution was to make DUST skills cheaper compared to EVE skills in terms of SP. The goal is to have a rewarding progression that lets you feel you can reach new shiny things by playing the game.

Here are the new base rates for a rank 1 skill:

Level 1 - 6,220 SP
Level 2 - 18,650 SP
Level 3 - 43,530 SP
Level 4 - 87,060 SP
Level 5 - 155,460 SP

Sounds like a good compromise! Thanks for the replys as always Nothin.

Also, are you on twitter? I like to keep as many of the Devs as possible on there to keep up to date with things.

i said this before and i will continue to say this again cuz like sometimes ppl just dont get it.

What works for EVE wont always translate well into a FPS, there are 2 different games with 2 different communities. Passive SP gain and caps may work in EVE but for a FPS where the majority of ppl play to get new gear and unlock kool stuff and feel generally REWARDED for their time they put in this move will turn ppl off if its gonna be an even longer grind than it currently is.

And to the ppl even disputing this go do some research on the console and FPS community in general because last i checked CCP is trying to attract a DIFFERENT audience that may not be into EVE style play but interested in the universe so this means certain aspects of gameplay would have to be fundamentally different....thats just common sense.

What you are missing is the entire point of Dust. Which admittedly hasn't really been shown yet.
Like in EVE the point of Dust isn't character advancement. The advancement makes it meaningful and deep.

The actual day to day gameplay is about game play not skills. So for people like you who just don't get it, effecting the game and making money and playing the way you want to is what the game is meant for.

Owning districts, defending your districts, attacking others districts, effecting the faction war sov that is what keeps people playing and that is the reward for playing. What makes the whole thing meaningful and a deeply involved game is the very long term character progression and growth.

Giving character progression quickly and with little investment is what most other games do and is also why most other games come out with new versions and updates so often because the system very quickly feels cheap and unimportant because it becomes only about your next upgrade.

Here are the new base rates for a rank 1 skill:

Level 1 - 6,220 SP
Level 2 - 18,650 SP
Level 3 - 43,530 SP
Level 4 - 87,060 SP
Level 5 - 155,460 SP