DUST Search - EVE SP Gains for the unwashed masses.

Tarn Adari wrote:

Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:

Bendtner92 wrote:

I refuse to believe that Dust will have a weekly cap of about 400k, if that's what you're implying.

Refuse it all you want. You'll see next week that i'm really not that far off.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them push it about 512k/524k but it wont be much higher than that i expect.
I could be wrong. But its not often i am.

I have no empirical values regarding your last statement, but this time, you are so wrong, you couldn't be more wrong. We already get roughly 3000SP/h passively. In your scenario, that would be all we get ever. No SP for fighting at all. This would just not work. Why would we even want to risk anything or invest money, if it doesn't matter if we play or not? It works for EVE, since it is subscription based. As long as your character gains SP, you have already paid for the game time, so you would also play, if you don't want to spend money on not playing. Dust, however, is F2P. You could just create a character, and then play something else for a year. When you get back, you have 20m SP to spend and CCP got not a single cent.

If CCP wants Dust to be played and make money with it, they have to reward the players for playing it.


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Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 14:15:00 - [1] - Quote For those of you who have the attention span of a goldfish and can't get into EVE i think it's worth sharing with you the SP gains on EVE so you know what to expect on Codex, it was stated in the patch notes that the SP caps have been put into place to bring it in line with EVE SP gains. At the moment, without implants and assuming you're training the correct skills for your characters abilitys (I.E having all your points in perception and willpower) will generate roughly 2250 SP per hour. Now in EVE you can buy implants and plug them into your head which give you a bonus to your attributes and the sets can be anything from +1 per attribute to +5 which can then raise your SP per hour to a maximum of 2700 SP per hour. Using those figures it's a safe bet that the caps will be something like this: No Implants; 2250 per hour 54,000 per day 1,620,000 per month on a 30 day month average. With implants: 2700 per hour 64,800 per day 1,944,000 per month. Now, i'm going to make a prediction and that is that the SP boosters will not effect your SP cap. I could be wrong, but i think CPP are going to use boosters as Dusts version of implants. Which if i'm right would mean you could earn up to as much as: 2,916,000 SP per month using a booster. But again, i could be wrong.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 14:22:00 - [2] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: I refuse to believe that Dust will have a weekly cap of about 400k, if that's what you're implying. Refuse it all you want. You'll see next week that i'm really not that far off. I wouldn't be surprised to see them push it about 512k/524k but it wont be much higher than that i expect. I could be wrong. But its not often i am.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 14:32:00 - [3] - Quote I would assume it's for Active SP and not passive SP.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 14:39:00 - [4] - Quote Nice find i'd not thought of comparing EVE and Dust SP costs on skills. I wonder if they will change SP costs to bring them in line? They use to be quite low and the SP price's was raised due to the amount of SP people happened to be gaining.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 14:54:00 - [5] - Quote ThatGUYisSO GOOOOOOOOOOD wrote: GCC Breaking News DUST has now become Time played> GUN GAME Stop ******* crying about it like a babby and man up and accept that no amount of you crying on the forums is going to change it. Just get on with it and stop shitting up threads. I'm honestly not sure if passive and active SP will be seperate after going over the patch notes again, there's a line in there saying that there is a hard cap so it's possible that your passive SP will stop too. I wonder if CCP will keep the SP gained from boosters seperate to the SP gained from passive or active SP gain?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 15:55:00 - [6] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: 7 months to get where I am now... I cba. Sorry. Yes, to use the same gear you use now, but everyone else will be in the same boat so you'll be at the same level and using the same type of equipment as them assuming you pick the same skills.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 16:07:00 - [7] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Nice find i'd not thought of comparing EVE and Dust SP costs on skills. I wonder if they will change SP costs to bring them in line? They use to be quite low and the SP price's was raised due to the amount of SP people happened to be gaining. The Dust SP cost per level have been this way at lesat since they opened the Beta after the fanfest, however they have increased the Rank on some skills if I recall. I do hope they respec the SP and bring it in line with the EVE SP, especially if they plan on lowering the SP gain to something more akin to EVE. It would be nice to have level 1 skills being filled by capping a single objective or two but keeping the larger skills requiring a month or so of training.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 16:54:00 - [8] - Quote Tarn Adari wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: I refuse to believe that Dust will have a weekly cap of about 400k, if that's what you're implying. Refuse it all you want. You'll see next week that i'm really not that far off. I wouldn't be surprised to see them push it about 512k/524k but it wont be much higher than that i expect. I could be wrong. But its not often i am. I have no empirical values regarding your last statement, but this time, you are so wrong, you couldn't be more wrong. We already get roughly 3000SP/h passively. In your scenario, that would be all we get ever. No SP for fighting at all. This would just not work. Why would we even want to risk anything or invest money, if it doesn't matter if we play or not? It works for EVE, since it is subscription based. As long as your character gains SP, you have already paid for the game time, so you would also play, if you don't want to spend money on not playing. Dust, however, is F2P. You could just create a character, and then play something else for a year. When you get back, you have 20m SP to spend and CCP got not a single cent. If CCP wants Dust to be played and make money with it, they have to reward the players for playing it. I play a hour or two every day, not that much, some days i dont even log in, i have 15m sp. Thats' way, way, way too much. I can only imagine how much some of the more dedicated players have. I said in the OP that i could be wrong, whats wrong with putting out information about how its in done in eve for comparison and theorycrafting? Are you such a sperg you feel the need to **** up every thread you don't totally agree with?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 17:23:00 - [9] - Quote Not totally true, MMO's are based around getting near items and unlocking things all the time, EVE bucked that trend and proved you don't have to be a WoW clone to be a good MMO, Dust has the same intentions. You really can bleat on like a sheep all you like and follow the rest of the babys crying about it and continue to write things in bold if you feel it makes a difference or if it even makes you feel better.. But either way, your reading comprehension skills need some work, i said clearly that it's all speculation and i could be wrong and as i said above, the patch notes say it's making things in line with EVE, i'm pointing out how things work in EVE. If you read the whole thread rather than sperging you'd see we've already discussed that the skill costs are too high currently if they leave them as they are when they bring the SP into line with EVE as per the patch notes. Maybe you'd even have noticed where the SP required for EVE skills was posted and how it's considerably lower and actually quite well balanced when you look at the whole picture.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 17:36:00 - [10] - Quote Give it about 48 hours and we'll know exactly how much the cap is because you can be sure someone's not seen the patch notes, will play like a speg tomorrow and will hit the cap and post 12 threads sperging about it,.

Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 21:41:00 - [11] - Quote You've all missed out on the territory control aspect and the wars and rivalry and thats whats going to keep people logging in,
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 23:20:00 - [12] - Quote Ad ski wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: You've all missed out on the territory control aspect and the wars and rivalry and thats whats going to keep people logging in, Some people might not want to play those kind of things and just stick to instant battle etc. If you want a broader audience giving them to option to play all the things offered without limiting them is the way to go. Look at call of duty black ops, plenty of people play it for the zombies, plenty of play it for the online in general and plenty play it for a bit of both. I don't need to look it up, i have and do play it.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 23:28:00 - [13] - Quote We'll see i guess, the selling point for Dust is not being rewarded after ever match though. The selling point for Dust is tears and dominating other groups, the drama and metagame.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.30 23:48:00 - [14] - Quote I think the brutality of EVE also attracts people it, i know that's what got myself and a lot of other goons involved. It allows us to feed our inner sociopath.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.01 00:47:00 - [15] - Quote It will be interesting to see how their attitude adjusts when they have to invest several million isk into an installation on a planet and are responsible for defending it.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.01 15:51:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Nothin wrote: Here are the new base rates for a rank 1 skill: Level 1 - 6,220 SP Level 2 - 18,650 SP Level 3 - 43,530 SP Level 4 - 87,060 SP Level 5 - 155,460 SP interesting, any reason you didn't go with the EVE SP numbers for a skill even though SP in Dust is capped at EVE levels?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.01 16:15:00 - [17] - Quote Well a rank 1 skill in EVE is 256,000 SP so technically the top end is much lower.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.01 16:19:00 - [18] - Quote Well you know what i meant, it wasnt meant to be taken litterally. If the SP gain is in line i would have thought the SP cost would also have been in line but as you can see, lower skills are more expensive and higher skills are cheaper. I'd love to know the train of thought that came to that decision just out of sheer curiosity.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.01 16:28:00 - [19] - Quote Sounds like a good compromise! Thanks for the replys as always Nothin. Also, are you on twitter? I like to keep as many of the Devs as possible on there to keep up to date with things.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.01 16:43:00 - [20] - Quote Another quality post by deadpool, the voice of reason from the FPS masses, Saviour of lost MAG players, Destroyer of Clones and Hoarder of exotic dancers. (I've had too much coffee waiting for the servers to come back up)

Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.01 16:56:00 - [21] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: We'll have to see how the new build goes, but to me it looks like leveling happens far too quickly now. Proto gear should take months, not weeks. Thats not all skills, that's rank one skills. Those rank 5 skills will still take 5x as much SP as started.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.01 17:11:00 - [22] - Quote Dewie, you a CFC member?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.01 17:22:00 - [23] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Dewie, you a CFC member? Test Alliance. Enlightened Industries to be exact. Why? Knew it was something like that. Just a hunch i got that's all. :D
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.01 17:26:00 - [24] - Quote Something like that.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.10 11:56:00 - [25] - Quote carl von oppenheimer wrote: Also one thing about EVE skill progression is that once you have played long enough (+70mil SP or 4-5 years) your skill training times start to become meaningless because by that time you have maximed skills that you need to be successful in your daily activities and have enough to spare so that you don't need to care about how long you train your next skills. DUST however is still a long way from being diverse enough to make you forget about skill grinding and being happy with skill set you currently have for months to an end. I've found in the last few builds that once you hit about 15m SP in Dust you're set and you can stop worrying about your specialization. Anything you earn after that point can just be sunk into other things to help make changing roles easier.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.10 15:36:00 - [26] - Quote ICECREAMK1NG wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Oh god. People are so off track it's ridiculous. All of you please climb off you CoD bashing chairs please. Counterstrike. Unreal. Quake. There is no levelling up, grinding for stuff/skills. Why do people STILL play these games 15 years after they came out? Game play. The whole, "I don't want to reach endgame too fast" is a joke. No FPS player REALLY cares about the skills or SP. We just want to shoot face. If the gameplay is right, nothing else matters. Not ISK/AUR/SP/SOV. Gameplay and clan mates are what keeps people comming back. What I'm trying to say is SP should not be the reason to play an FPS... Which for many it seems to be... Q. I maxed all my skills?!? What do I do?!?! A. Go kill people Quite right Tony, I've said this too , how many times. The gameplay in this sucks. I can't see many, if any at all playing this. FPS fans that is, I hardly bother now, neither does anyone else I know. We've done all there is to do so come on end of Nov. Funny how you've stopped since you can't abuse mechanics for SP anymore.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.10 20:00:00 - [27] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: I love the fact, that Cerebral, leader of GOONfeet, doesn't realise why you do it. To troll, and grief and generally arse about. The gameplay literally boils down to camping. Let them walk around the corner and kill em. Certainly don't walk around that corner yourself. You'll die. Give me strafe speed. Give me gameplay. I don't care about warriors boosting underground Dropships. I care about game play, which is too slow, and far too heavily stacked on defense. No, i do get it.. but i'm invested in Dust and i'd like to see it work. There's no harm in trying to actually be a productive member of the community prior to launch. Post launch i'll be all for running this **** into the ground and generating tears but it's important to me that we get there first.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.11 11:49:00 - [28] - Quote Ky'noke Vyrus wrote: isn't a pointy clicker But the boosters and quick scopers get it... Right ice? You're clearly unable to read because it's been stated many times that i'm a console gamer, i just prefer the 360 over the PS3. How else would have been sponsored by a console gaming company in the UK? A few years ago i use to ranked in the top 25 players in the UK.