Its a Fact

Nice i noticed you missed out half of the skills

Such as anything to do with armor and also some of the shield skills, the mobility skills are not listed either, also all the prof skills for the 2 weapons you specialize in which are important espc for the AV ppl, also any electronics or enginnering sub skills you need if you suit doesnt have enough PG or CPU

Infact you did such a ****** ******* job of trying to list the skills i should go and do it myself to show you how much you dont know and what a total potato you are

Anyone with half a brain can see it takes less SP and time to skill into the tank, hence why we have seen them earlier on even tho the SP given to us is reduced

Sorry, your milita gear should never be able to take down my 1million ISK gunnlogi unless there are 6 of you hitting it at the same time.

No. Not really.

Actually, not at all.

And if you really think tanks should be HARDER to skill into, you HAVE to accept that they make Tanks HARDER to kill. MUCH harder.

where was this mentioned...

tried mentioning this in a previous thread. Vehicle specialists get twice the use of their SP grind -on their vehicles and dropsutis (mechanics, shields, shield op, repair et etc. you get the point. If I only want to go Assault - well I only got 1x the effective use of SP grind.

This wouldn't be so bad if there were better counter to Tanks - better AV. or as an assault I can spec into AV quicker (less sp for AV nades maybe? Or SP for assault gets the double bouns like the vehicle class if I go Assault and AV route.

I have just over 4m sp. 400k of that is climbing ot get Lvl 4 nades and I will see what that does to tanks. My assault is only lvl 4. I have my passive skills up. I am not even going to bother with swarms. I tried them last build wth 3 complex damage modules. Pretty rubbish at best against a decent tank. But then it was hard to group with people - but when I did against a high end tank they were still pretty weak..

I dont know what the answer is. And I dont know whether Tanks are op or not since their changes, because Tanks are so easy to skill in to they have already arrived on the field - assaults haven't even got to swarm protos yet

Tanks to me do seem to be too cheap, too easy to skill into, and there is no effective AV counter at them moment for infantry. I am not convinced that EWar or whatever people are talking about will be the answer either. The game needs to be balanced upwards - from foot soldiers upwards. And anyone who says this will be like Eve there is no balance. Of course there is: CCP regulates the game continually by providing and changing the attributes of ships weapons, the economy and so on....

well we could combine all skill mods to see just how far apart they are. Proficiencies not to be included

Tanks
(12x) HAV
(1x) Vehicle Command
(1x) Turret Operation
(1x) Turret Upgrades
(1x) Small Hybrid turret
(1x) Small Missile turret
(3x) Large Hybrid turret
(3x) Large Missile turret
(1x) Mechanics
(2x) Shield Upgrades
(2x) Shield Operation
(3x) Shield Management
(5x) Shield Adaptations
(1x) Engineering
(2x) Energy Grid Upgrades
(2x) Electronics Upgrades
(1x) Electronics
[42x] Total

Assault Suit
(1x) Dropsuit Command
(8x) Assault Suit
(1x) Electronics
(1x) Engineering
(2x) Shield Operation
(3x) Shield Management
(2x) Light weapon or sidearm of choice
(2x) Sidearm of choice
(1x) Weaponry
(1x) Mechanics
(6x) MISC secondary skills unlocking preferred mods or H/L/S upgrades/reload/sharpshooter ect...
[28x] Total

Yes "facts" I see...

678k for a "terrible" tank. 4mil for a lolProtosuit.
Who wins? lolSuit or a 678k tank.
Tank. It has 10k ehp and will 1 shot the protosuit.

Anyone who can't see the problem is
A.) chronically stupid
B.) lying

corellate that with the rate at which skill points are gained. yes facts you choose not to see.

Lack of AV items also hinders AV users, we dont even have AV mines that we can plant, not too mention tanks do not have cap yet which tbh they should and EWAR stuff is missing quite a bit

Also while tanks do not have to carry ammo and reload they will endlessly spam everywhere

678k for a "terrible" tank. 4mil for a lolProtosuit.
Who wins? lolSuit or a 678k tank.
Tank. It has 10k ehp and will 1 shot the protosuit.

Anyone who can't see the problem is
A.) chronically stupid
B.) lying

4 million Proto suit = stupid player.

The suits have one advantage the tanks don't have. They are more mobile and they can get into places tanks can't. Suits can in effect be nearly impossible for a tank to spot, while the suit is sending an endless stream of damage towards it, so the tank has to move. And a moving tank is not protecting objectives as well as a stationary one will be.

also: if 4 miliion proto suit is a stupid player- does that mean top tank drivers are too?

Don't judge and nerf tanks, or anything else for lack of information.

AV are not even fully equipped with the modules you are going to get yet.

You don't have the webbers, or any of the other AV modules that I assume will start appearing in the next build. A webber is the death of any tank not fitting to counter it, and to counter a webber he has to spend a slot on that module = less HP or Damage depending on which slots those modules use.

Tanks are tough, but they do tend to get rather easy to kill over time. Take your snake oil to someone who cares please. Nerfing anything now, even the AV gear nerf in a way, is premature.

And whats with all the extra sp the gunners of tanks get 35xp for assist and 25 if damaged the person? That is just weird.

Right now, with the ISK rewards being what they are, and the only income are from ISK rewards, then yes. Fielding anything that expensive is kinda stupid.

yes. yes. thats right. its much harder and much more sp. Thats why the games full of them.