Its a Fact

Nice i noticed you missed out half of the skills

Such as anything to do with armor and also some of the shield skills, the mobility skills are not listed either, also all the prof skills for the 2 weapons you specialize in which are important espc for the AV ppl, also any electronics or enginnering sub skills you need if you suit doesnt have enough PG or CPU

Infact you did such a ****** ******* job of trying to list the skills i should go and do it myself to show you how much you dont know and what a total potato you are

Anyone with half a brain can see it takes less SP and time to skill into the tank, hence why we have seen them earlier on even tho the SP given to us is reduced

Sorry, your milita gear should never be able to take down my 1million ISK gunnlogi unless there are 6 of you hitting it at the same time.

No. Not really.

Actually, not at all.

And if you really think tanks should be HARDER to skill into, you HAVE to accept that they make Tanks HARDER to kill. MUCH harder.

where was this mentioned...

tried mentioning this in a previous thread. Vehicle specialists get twice the use of their SP grind -on their vehicles and dropsutis (mechanics, shields, shield op, repair et etc. you get the point. If I only want to go Assault - well I only got 1x the effective use of SP grind.

This wouldn't be so bad if there were better counter to Tanks - better AV. or as an assault I can spec into AV quicker (less sp for AV nades maybe? Or SP for assault gets the double bouns like the vehicle class if I go Assault and AV route.

I have just over 4m sp. 400k of that is climbing ot get Lvl 4 nades and I will see what that does to tanks. My assault is only lvl 4. I have my passive skills up. I am not even going to bother with swarms. I tried them last build wth 3 complex damage modules. Pretty rubbish at best against a decent tank. But then it was hard to group with people - but when I did against a high end tank they were still pretty weak..

I dont know what the answer is. And I dont know whether Tanks are op or not since their changes, because Tanks are so easy to skill in to they have already arrived on the field - assaults haven't even got to swarm protos yet

Tanks to me do seem to be too cheap, too easy to skill into, and there is no effective AV counter at them moment for infantry. I am not convinced that EWar or whatever people are talking about will be the answer either. The game needs to be balanced upwards - from foot soldiers upwards. And anyone who says this will be like Eve there is no balance. Of course there is: CCP regulates the game continually by providing and changing the attributes of ships weapons, the economy and so on....

well we could combine all skill mods to see just how far apart they are. Proficiencies not to be included

Tanks
(12x) HAV
(1x) Vehicle Command
(1x) Turret Operation
(1x) Turret Upgrades
(1x) Small Hybrid turret
(1x) Small Missile turret
(3x) Large Hybrid turret
(3x) Large Missile turret
(1x) Mechanics
(2x) Shield Upgrades
(2x) Shield Operation
(3x) Shield Management
(5x) Shield Adaptations
(1x) Engineering
(2x) Energy Grid Upgrades
(2x) Electronics Upgrades
(1x) Electronics
[42x] Total

Assault Suit
(1x) Dropsuit Command
(8x) Assault Suit
(1x) Electronics
(1x) Engineering
(2x) Shield Operation
(3x) Shield Management
(2x) Light weapon or sidearm of choice
(2x) Sidearm of choice
(1x) Weaponry
(1x) Mechanics
(6x) MISC secondary skills unlocking preferred mods or H/L/S upgrades/reload/sharpshooter ect...
[28x] Total

Yes "facts" I see...

678k for a "terrible" tank. 4mil for a lolProtosuit.
Who wins? lolSuit or a 678k tank.
Tank. It has 10k ehp and will 1 shot the protosuit.

Anyone who can't see the problem is
A.) chronically stupid
B.) lying

corellate that with the rate at which skill points are gained. yes facts you choose not to see.

Lack of AV items also hinders AV users, we dont even have AV mines that we can plant, not too mention tanks do not have cap yet which tbh they should and EWAR stuff is missing quite a bit

Also while tanks do not have to carry ammo and reload they will endlessly spam everywhere

678k for a "terrible" tank. 4mil for a lolProtosuit.
Who wins? lolSuit or a 678k tank.
Tank. It has 10k ehp and will 1 shot the protosuit.

Anyone who can't see the problem is
A.) chronically stupid
B.) lying

4 million Proto suit = stupid player.

The suits have one advantage the tanks don't have. They are more mobile and they can get into places tanks can't. Suits can in effect be nearly impossible for a tank to spot, while the suit is sending an endless stream of damage towards it, so the tank has to move. And a moving tank is not protecting objectives as well as a stationary one will be.

also: if 4 miliion proto suit is a stupid player- does that mean top tank drivers are too?

Don't judge and nerf tanks, or anything else for lack of information.

AV are not even fully equipped with the modules you are going to get yet.

You don't have the webbers, or any of the other AV modules that I assume will start appearing in the next build. A webber is the death of any tank not fitting to counter it, and to counter a webber he has to spend a slot on that module = less HP or Damage depending on which slots those modules use.

Tanks are tough, but they do tend to get rather easy to kill over time. Take your snake oil to someone who cares please. Nerfing anything now, even the AV gear nerf in a way, is premature.

And whats with all the extra sp the gunners of tanks get 35xp for assist and 25 if damaged the person? That is just weird.

Right now, with the ISK rewards being what they are, and the only income are from ISK rewards, then yes. Fielding anything that expensive is kinda stupid.

yes. yes. thats right. its much harder and much more sp. Thats why the games full of them.

ah, sarcasm. yes.

next time try responding with facts, but whatever, fighting an uphill battle with these things is understandably tough when most of your argument is qq.

there are a lot more tanks because a lot of the infantry have gotten frustrated with the few actually good tank drivers and have jumped on the bandwagon, which is fine since now i have new tanks to pop with my anti-tank fit. doesn't mean they are good and they certainly dont last the match.

tanks currently require much more sp ...

That video Lurch is the reason tanks are Op. Atli (CCP_Praetorian) is creative director for CCP. And was heavily involved with CCP shanghai (they're the main lot working on Dust, right?) Watch that video again (can't link ATM) @20 minutes the marauder appears on screen, and Atli is clearly in love with it. Notice how they say they all wanted it nerfed, but Atli said "NOoo Ragh".

I just fear that when the boss says "marauders will be godly and you will love it" the hardworking folk will make it so. That's their job.

This is all speculation based on trying to come up with some kind of reasoning behind these crazy changes we've seen. Yes, they're temporary, but it's a real pain having to drive militia HAVs about to play AV.

(Be a good chap someone and link the "Dust 514 battlefield roles" video)

Edit: It'd be nice to hear CCP staff views on current beta gameplay (when they have time. They must be busting their balls working on Dust ATM)

TBH i stopped reading ther tbh because its pure ****

When did your arse grow hands and start to shipost?

facts are all above and in other threads. the rest of your comments are just troll

im sorry you feel that way. you dont have to believe me, i really dont care either way. just another butthurt person whining on the forums to me.

qq threads dont make facts.

the ccp video i am referring to however is full of goodies straight form the devs that apparently never answer anyone's complaints. Truth is, if you guys would actually watch this stuff instead of whining, most of your complaints are already answered. like months ago. again, facts here people.

lol whining, i dont give a **** if one side puts up 4 tanks but AV got a nerf and its easier to get into a tank them imma speak up about it tbh

You can defend your tank all you want but its easier to skill into and AV aint doing that much against it in this build since it requires more SP

so you are stating that the AV vs Tanks is balanced as it is now?
am really surprised of your tankboysim at least other tank drivers agreed that AV needs some work while the tanks are fine (which is not imho) but still they accept others argument but you, oh boy! i am glad am not in your corp i think you would team kill all your AV teammates for not using tanks lol

so you are stating that the AV vs Tanks is balanced as it is now?
am really surprised of your tankboysim at least other tank drivers agreed that AV needs some work while the tanks are fine (which is not imho) but still they accept others argument but you, oh boy! i am glad am not in your corp i think you would team kill all your AV teammates for not using tanks lol

I think a week off to let the tankers fight it out is in order.

rather than trying to trivialize my posts, read them. you would see that i have not said things are balanced, but will be significantly affected by the implementation of ewar, the SAME stance CCP has right now. Because i only state what CCP has backed up.

guess im a ccp fanboy for regurgitating what they say for people who refuse to look at their vids and cough up their own "facts"

lots of qq and a lot of, "Don't listen to this guy, he's inept cause he doesn't agree with the qq bandwagon."

then a server wipe before next patch. just to see if the same people skill into what they did this time. nerf the sp gain you get while in a tank to something that is applicable to what everyone else gets.

stb has 2 tank drivers. didnt play mag unfortunately

Lurch is a diehard tanker. Ted was always good on MAG, and I played 3 games with Krucial the other night. He racked up 70 kills with AR/SMG over 3 games without dying. STB are just taking advantage of the situations. EvE players will be proud :D

I'm sure they'll fix things. We'll just all have to run militia tanks. Ice, get your guys to run militia tanks every game. Become a cheap tank crew! Join the militia today!

make another char just for tonight make an av guy and go play for an hour or two.

fortunately for you, i already have played with av, last build and this build.

Lurch is a diehard tanker. Ted was always good on MAG, and I played 3 games with Krucial the other night. He racked up 70 kills with AR/SMG over 3 games without dying. STB are just taking advantage of the situations. EvE players will be proud :D

I'm sure they'll fix things. We'll just all have to run militia tanks. Ice, get your guys to run militia tanks every game. Become a cheap tank crew! Join the militia today!

well you arent playing well enough or you wouldnt be here complaining about your lame ass ineptitude.

well you arent playing well enough or you wouldnt be here complaining about your lame ass ineptitude.

lol your all so funny

rather than trying to trivialize my posts, read them. you would see that i have not said things are balanced, but will be significantly affected by the implementation of ewar, the SAME stance CCP has right now. Because i only state what CCP has backed up.

guess im a ccp fanboy for regurgitating what they say for people who refuse to look at their vids and cough up their own "facts"

lots of qq and a lot of, "Don't listen to this guy, he's inept cause he doesn't agree with the qq bandwagon."

lol your all so funny

lol you guys are funny. since you are incapable of reading a couple posts up....

so much hate, so many insults, all because i think its cool to be able to drive tanks....lol @ the gaming community. do your chests hurt yet from beating them so much?

so much hate, so many insults, all because i think its cool to be able to drive tanks....lol @ the gaming community. do your chests hurt yet from beating them so much?

yeah well when you do go back to IRC tell em to hurry like they hurried the hotpack that didnt need fixing we can't play untill the end of september, i'm not even gaining skillpoints now. i leave when im put in a rubbish TDM match i leave when the maps too small and has tanks. i leave sometime involunteraly. Basically i'm not having fun, you want me to beta something for free at least make the game as balanced as you possibly can and if they do screw up don't leave it like that for months. I've even taken to killing newly spawned players that have their backs turned to me in the hope they will just give up on the game.

DUST must be just like CoD! If you disagree you're just a no-skill tank spammer and CCP fanboy! All FPSes must be CoD clones!

Well go play world of tanks then. Instead of defending what you know to be true. i.e That this is rapidly becoming world of tanks two. It is being advertised as an MMOFPS you know that right ?

The skills required to use a vehicle and the skills required to be effective in that vehicle are completely different.

I get the feeling many of you are ignoring core skills in the race to get up to high-end gear. The importance of core skills is well-known to EVEplayers, but I think most DUST players don't appreciate them yet.