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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:46:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Thats been answered already.
Tell the computer where you want to upload and revive next point scrambler to head pull
As long as there is a clone there (this is where eve player comes in handy) then you can wake up there. If an EVE player is required for the clone movement, then everything CCP wants for this game wont work. The game is supposed to work 100% without any reliance what so ever on EVE - and visa versa.
Mentally activates the neocom and holds his hand to head like a phone.
"Hey non immortal dude over there at the biomass facility? Yeah uhm here I am going to wire over some some isk I wanna buy clones and enough nanite paste to cover all the manufacturing my liscences need. I am going to need it for an upcomming battle on your planet... Of course Ill not level your entire home city I only am interested in your place of work just be sure to evacuate the area before we land. Yeah your boss should have alerted you guys there was an attack contract made this morning. Okay thanks. Money should be over shortly." |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:48:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Make the mercs have to do certain actions aboard the eve ship that if improperly done could result in a seizure of assets ftom the merc, enough to make it a risk v reward scenario The all of the ships main functions are controlled by the capsuleer as far as I know, and mercenaries are created specifically as war machines, they don't have much other value. So what "actions" would they be tasked with?
That is where I'm stumped. Basically the actions regular crew would perform but exactly how to do it, i can't say |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:48:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mentally activates the neocom and holds his hand to head like a phone.
"Hey non immortal dude over there at the biomass facility? Yeah uhm here I am going to wire over some some isk I wanna buy clones and enough nanite paste to cover all the manufacturing my liscences need. I am going to need it for an upcomming battle on your planet... Of course Ill not level your entire home city I only am interested in your place of work just be sure to evacuate the area before we land. Yeah your boss should have alerted you guys there was an attack contract made this morning. Okay thanks. Money should be over shortly." Dust players have the same capability. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:50:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Make the mercs have to do certain actions aboard the eve ship that if improperly done could result in a seizure of assets ftom the merc, enough to make it a risk v reward scenario The all of the ships main functions are controlled by the capsuleer as far as I know, and mercenaries are created specifically as war machines, they don't have much other value. So what "actions" would they be tasked with? That is where I'm stumped. Basically the actions regular crew would perform but exactly how to do it, i can't say I don't think this is a viable argument for it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:59:00 -
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We could use dust soldiers to harvest areas far to dangerous/expensive to pay a for a non immortal to give up 20 years of schooling for in one shot.
Belive it or not mercs and capsuleers are 'cost effective' vs using regular humans. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.26 05:03:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We could use dust soldiers to harvest areas far to dangerous/expensive to pay a for a non immortal to give up 20 years of schooling for in one shot.
Belive it or not mercs and capsuleers are 'cost effective' vs using regular humans.
I actually like this, can i apply to work aboard your ship now? |
Jean-Henri
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Posted - 2012.08.26 05:20:00 -
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not that I am in favour of boarding EVE vessels at this point... can I point out another mechanic that could be put in place?
Docking the vessel before the mercs can shut down your ship results in all mercs getting arrested and terminated, all salvage gets given to the pilot and the mercs each cop a fine = 30% of total EVE ship worth...including fittings and cargo... inability to pay said fine results in complete clone bank destruction
like i said I'm not in favour of mercs in ships... not unless they are shut inside password protected secure containers
At some future point the possibility of EVE/DUST getting a reboot, of CCP getting a massive income hike, might allow for more immersive elements to this Game Stable to be added.
In every way, I would love to see the possibility of mercs taking on assassination contracts, especially those contracts currently worth billions of isk but completely undo-able because those pilots never leave dock....
It would certainly bring the whole risk level up again for many players. |
SWEETY muffin CAKES
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.26 06:19:00 -
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When you take away the thought that things are impossible, you find ways to make them possible.
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Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.26 06:21:00 -
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SWEETY muffin CAKES wrote:When you take away the thought that things are impossible, you find ways to make them possible.
Aside from the part that it is completely possible, it would just make mercenaries far to powerful. I am by no means saying it "can't" happen, I'm just saying it wont, shouldn't, and if it does, it will be a bad move on CCP's end. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.26 06:33:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote: I will never stop requesting it
The only kind of ship boarding that's possible is mcc boarding in the style of bf2142, there are ex dice at ccp so maybe that will happen at some point, but as far as eve ship boarding goes.........forGET it! Not gonna happen......ev-er. like someone else posted on this thread....they would have to create full maps for the ships interior, x that buy the amount of ships IN new eden.....on top of all the data for the planetary maps.............toooooooo much data. |
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STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.26 06:50:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote: I will never stop requesting it The only kind of ship boarding that's possible is mcc boarding in the style of bf2142, there are ex dice at ccp so maybe that will happen at some point, but as far as eve ship boarding goes.........forGET it! Not gonna happen......ev-er. like someone else posted on this thread....they would have to create full maps for the ships interior, x that buy the amount of ships IN new eden.....on top of all the data for the planetary maps.............toooooooo much data.
Simple answer, one map per class of ship |
kellogs27
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.26 06:59:00 -
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The major issue with ship boarding is that both parties will have to sit around for 10-20 minutes. In high sec concord will just come and blow the offender up, In Nullsec the person being boarded can just call his friends and they'll destroy the other guy.
Plus it is much easier to just kill someone yourself then sit around for that long waiting. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.08.26 07:02:00 -
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pew pew youredead wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Why it may not happen but ccp might like the concept and like i said before, the players of EVE have their say in this also, and i think, no, i'm positively sure they're not gonna let it happen I've gotta agree. If you haven't been to the Dust section of the EVE forums before, there's a good portion of the playerbase that doesn't even like the idea of Dust being made, much less connected to EVE. If CCP introduced ship boarding, you'd be looking at another Incarna riot within minutes of the anouncement. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.26 07:11:00 -
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kellogs27 wrote:The major issue with ship boarding is that both parties will have to sit around for 10-20 minutes. In high sec concord will just come and blow the offender up, In Nullsec the person being boarded can just call his friends and they'll destroy the other guy.
Plus it is much easier to just kill someone yourself then sit around for that long waiting.
What if taking a ship could be done in a manner more complicated than simply killing the crew. Maybe a complicated hack sequence that takes a shorter time then having a full battle but something to keep taking a ship difficult |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.08.26 07:32:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:kellogs27 wrote:The major issue with ship boarding is that both parties will have to sit around for 10-20 minutes. In high sec concord will just come and blow the offender up, In Nullsec the person being boarded can just call his friends and they'll destroy the other guy.
Plus it is much easier to just kill someone yourself then sit around for that long waiting. What if taking a ship could be done in a manner more complicated than simply killing the crew. Maybe a complicated hack sequence that takes a shorter time then having a full battle but something to keep taking a ship difficult What would you do with it, though? Are you suggesting Dust players be able to crew ships and operate them against EVE players, or is this all just a very complex means of handing it over to another capsuleer? |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.26 08:20:00 -
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I'm just gonna say it again - ship boarding would make mercenaries to valuable. Any number of ways could make it a more "complicated" endeavor, but complex or not complex it would still be far to valuable. It would make having mercenaries at your disposal a necessity rather than an opportunity. |
Lasarte Ioni
Noob Gaming
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Posted - 2012.08.26 17:16:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:I don't know how movement is going to work, but I'm sure it wont rely on EVE. The games are not suppose to rely on each other, they're supposed to add a strengthening element to each other.
Maybe something like they did w custom offices; Concord decides to make some kind of space structure holding clones/MCCs so they can be deployed around the solar system/planet.
Those structures should be conquerable/destructible in low/0.0 (maybe just in 0.0)
It's in 0.0 when the war barges comes handy; the system/planetary structure isn't yours, so you gotta deploy a war barge, but they need a pilot, and that makes DUST dependent of EVE, but only in 0.0/[low?], places that actually belong to capsuleers.
If you want to be independent, stick to high/[low?], but sure not 0.0, DUST should be quite dependent of EVE there. (So forget about all those plans of destroying the Goons with just mercs and a lot of will)
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Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.27 04:27:00 -
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Lasarte Ioni wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:I don't know how movement is going to work, but I'm sure it wont rely on EVE. The games are not suppose to rely on each other, they're supposed to add a strengthening element to each other. Maybe something like they did w custom offices; Concord decides to make some kind of space structure holding clones/MCCs so they can be deployed around the solar system/planet. Those structures should be conquerable/destructible in low/ 0.0 (maybe just in 0.0) It's in 0.0 when the war barges comes handy; the system/planetary structure isn't yours, so you gotta deploy a war barge, but they need a pilot, and that makes DUST dependent of EVE, but only in 0.0/[low?], places that actually belong to capsuleers. If you want to be independent, stick to high/[low?], but sure not 0.0, DUST should be quite dependent of EVE there. (So forget about all those plans of destroying the Goons with just mercs and a lot of will) Making Dust rely on EVE in 0.0 would be outright stupid. Especially considering that CCP outright stated that full Dust corps could have Sov in NullSec. |
kalahari ilkeston
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:16:00 -
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kellogs27 wrote:The major issue with ship boarding is that both parties will have to sit around for 10-20 minutes..
Sit around and wait why? the attacking ship fires the dust soldiers at your ship then leaves if the defending ship has no security contract or clones on board they can call friends to send some over or hope your internal security is up to, |
kalahari ilkeston
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:22:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:I'm just gonna say it again - ship boarding would make mercenaries to valuable. Any number of ways could make it a more "complicated" endeavor, but complex or not complex it would still be far to valuable. It would make having mercenaries at your disposal a necessity rather than an opportunity.
problem??? its just another weapon on your ship, that im sure you have by necessity |
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:38:00 -
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I rather use a CRU module on a ship to explore abandoned stations and ordering up some body guards. |
Jin'Tanith
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:48:00 -
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Sky Fire battery.......all well and good until Goonswarm jumps into your pathetic little solar system with a 700+ Capital Fleet, you can this to the bank, you will never be able to cycle and fire said sky fire cannon enough to make even an impression on that monster, other than "Aww, look, they're actually trying to defend themselves, how cute" |
Azura dark
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Posted - 2012.08.27 17:19:00 -
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pew pew youredead wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Why it may not happen but ccp might like the concept and like i said before, the players of EVE have their say in this also, and i think, no, i'm positively sure they're not gonna let it happen console players screamed at ccp not to add kb/m but they never listened, why should screaming eve players be any different, oh wait...they care more about the eve players. |
Nathan Lander
Interstellar Brotherhood of Eternal Warfare
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:43:00 -
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I would just set ship to self destruct if I got boarded. Hope you can leave within 30 seconds. Cheaper to but new ship then let you have mine. |
Thick McRun Fast
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:48:00 -
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Azura dark wrote:console players screamed at ccp not to add kb/m but they never listened, why should screaming eve players be any different, oh wait...they care more about the eve players.
True that. We made them fire about 150 employees because we raged quit over incarna. EvE is the money maker. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:50:00 -
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Nathan Lander wrote:I would just set ship to self destruct if I got boarded. Hope you can leave within 30 seconds. Cheaper to but new ship then let you have mine. Unless of course you're flying around in a ship that costs 50,000,000,000 ISK. That translates to about $200 I believe. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:53:00 -
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If there were firm limits to how this could work, I don't see how it couldn't be possible in 2 or three years time. The biggest limitation IMO is lag. Time dilation is great for large fleet battles, but I imagine it would be nearly unplayable for an FPS. Once technology catches up to our imaginations it may be possible.
There's certainly no harm in speculation and brainstorming ideas. Who knows, maybe one day standard fleet doctrines will include one or two cruiser sized breaching vessels designed to ram into Titans, Super Capitals, POS and POCOs before disgorging pissed off Marines for takeover or sabotage. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:57:00 -
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Azura dark wrote:pew pew youredead wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Why it may not happen but ccp might like the concept and like i said before, the players of EVE have their say in this also, and i think, no, i'm positively sure they're not gonna let it happen console players screamed at ccp not to add kb/m but they never listened, why should screaming eve players be any different, oh wait...they care more about the eve players.
I thought we screamed for keyboard and mouse. |
Thick McRun Fast
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:58:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Nathan Lander wrote:I would just set ship to self destruct if I got boarded. Hope you can leave within 30 seconds. Cheaper to but new ship then let you have mine. Unless of course you're flying around in a ship that costs 50,000,000,000 ISK. That translates to about $200 I believe. If you are going to lose it anyway due to ****** mechanics. Why would you let the enemy steal your big ship? You dont. Scorched earth. you aint getting jack. "Someone please bomb my wreck too" |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:00:00 -
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Thick McRun Fast wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Nathan Lander wrote:I would just set ship to self destruct if I got boarded. Hope you can leave within 30 seconds. Cheaper to but new ship then let you have mine. Unless of course you're flying around in a ship that costs 50,000,000,000 ISK. That translates to about $200 I believe. If you are going to lose it anyway due to ****** mechanics. Why would you let the enemy steal your big ship? You dont. Scorched earth. you aint getting jack. "Someone please bomb my wreck too" ^ ultimate reason why boarding wont work, the owner rather have it blown up to bits before letting you have it. Freindly FCs would rather destroy the ship than to let it get captured and a ship without a captain dont tanke worth a crap with both enemeis and hostiles shooting it. |
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