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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:36:00 -
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Final reason.
It be cheaper to blow it (the ship) up than to hire mercs.
Station and Outpost take overs are however different and can prove cost effective. |
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:38:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Why it may not happen but ccp might like the concept I'm sure that they do like the concept; it's such a fun idea, it would be amazing, but it cannot happen without putting EVE players at the mercy of Dust players. It would come down to mercenaries saying "move us here or we wont defend you" or "give us this or we will kill you" perhaps even "ha, you paid us to board and protect your ship.... bad idea. *proceed to list ransom demands*". And again mercs would be at the mercy of eve players because they need eve players to move them onto a ship by using a ship that can launch pods, then damaging the ship enough where pods are can be launched safely Then tell me, how are mercs going to move between stantions/planets/systems/regions if we have to be lugged around by EVE players? Dust mercs are capable of independent movement.
Thats been answered already.
Tell the computer where you want to upload and revive next
point scrambler to head
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As long as there is a clone there (this is where eve player comes in handy) then you can wake up there.
Either way the other problem wtih invading capsuleer ships. They're body extensions of the ship, and they do not like intruders and will automatically repell a dust marine in the very same manner it would a disease, like baking you alive by exposing the reactor or space radiation to you or just spacing you air pressure popping or gravity crushing are the start of many possible interneral defenses the ship has. The only time a capsuller ship has ever been boarded in eve history had a nasty conteigent of starving slaver hounds that ate most of the invading crew. The invaders managed to slip in a poision to kill majority of the crew that caused an evacutation of everyone else. |
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:46:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Thats been answered already.
Tell the computer where you want to upload and revive next
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As long as there is a clone there (this is where eve player comes in handy) then you can wake up there. If an EVE player is required for the clone movement, then everything CCP wants for this game wont work. The game is supposed to work 100% without any reliance what so ever on EVE - and visa versa.
Mentally activates the neocom and holds his hand to head like a phone.
"Hey non immortal dude over there at the biomass facility?
Yeah uhm here I am going to wire over some some isk I wanna buy clones and enough nanite paste to cover all the manufacturing my liscences need.
I am going to need it for an upcomming battle on your planet...
Of course Ill not level your entire home city I only am interested in your place of work just be sure to evacuate the area before we land.
Yeah your boss should have alerted you guys there was an attack contract made this morning.
Okay thanks. Money should be over shortly." |
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:59:00 -
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We could use dust soldiers to harvest areas far to dangerous/expensive to pay a for a non immortal to give up 20 years of schooling for in one shot.
Belive it or not mercs and capsuleers are 'cost effective' vs using regular humans. |
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:38:00 -
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I rather use a CRU module on a ship to explore abandoned stations and ordering up some body guards. |
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:57:00 -
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Azura dark wrote:pew pew youredead wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Why it may not happen but ccp might like the concept and like i said before, the players of EVE have their say in this also, and i think, no, i'm positively sure they're not gonna let it happen console players screamed at ccp not to add kb/m but they never listened, why should screaming eve players be any different, oh wait...they care more about the eve players.
I thought we screamed for keyboard and mouse. |
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:00:00 -
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Thick McRun Fast wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Nathan Lander wrote:I would just set ship to self destruct if I got boarded. Hope you can leave within 30 seconds. Cheaper to but new ship then let you have mine. Unless of course you're flying around in a ship that costs 50,000,000,000 ISK. That translates to about $200 I believe. If you are going to lose it anyway due to ****** mechanics. Why would you let the enemy steal your big ship? You dont. Scorched earth. you aint getting jack. "Someone please bomb my wreck too"
^ ultimate reason why boarding wont work, the owner rather have it blown up to bits before letting you have it. Freindly FCs would rather destroy the ship than to let it get captured and a ship without a captain dont tanke worth a crap with both enemeis and hostiles shooting it. |
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:06:00 -
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#6 If and where possible eve players will deny any chances of capture of anything useful to the enemy and will fire on thier own ships being comprimised. |
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:51:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:#6 If and where possible eve players will deny any chances of capture of anything useful to the enemy and will fire on thier own ships being comprimised. Not really a point against it, more so a defense mechanism.
Which is going to hvae dust players asking why bother? if they melt the ship 10 seconds into the match. |
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:52:00 -
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Its more like eve players have to supply the means to make use of dust players via clones and nanite vats being shipped to the front lines. |
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Posted - 2012.08.29 05:14:00 -
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First off cargo as you mentioned is a delimiting factor, CRUs are huge, so are the clones and nanites used to build thier gear. This I will agree with.
Mo Gallas thinking that battleships to be used for mining... lol he obviously doesnt play eve like the power players do also doenst know about the roqual and how we BRING the mining outpost to the miners also in the current state of mining its, bash rocks haul refine then sell. there is no 'hand over'
Mo Gallas doenst know CCP too well. They will not go this simple of a bastardization oh one map per size they will do the entire 556 different ship maps ordeal. While most of it will be copy and pasted sections its going to be a convincing interior none the less belonging to that ship.
Also some pods on a few ships are far from any accessible area (IE merlin's pod gantry is inaccessbale from the bridge)
On that note, boarding a capsuleeer ship is suicide. A capsuleer can easily airvent/gravity crush/caustive atmosphere/reactor flush/coolant flush/microwave hostile mercs out without even thinking about it as his body's natural defenses react to the intrusion.
Also most ships are old warfare design and are still built to counter invaders when and where possible as these designs dual function in ship to ship combat survival. Countermeasures against ship boarding got so good nobody does it much anymore. Shielded compartments, heavily armed crew, blast doors everywhere and the nature of current shipbuilding.
MCCs are cruiser sized and dont go all that fast in space and based on how much damage and size of the guns. they dont take abuse too well either.
Also any 'gimmick' any of you mercs purpose to make a ship 'invunerable' during boarder is going to be ABUSED to hell.
Also of note its not just one ship opening gate, its usually several, becuase chances are the first one to lite off gets blown to bits first.
The reason why its more valuable for a dust mercenary to be hired for station take overs is becuase stations takes HOURS to kill no matter how large the fleets are. Dust 514 mercs woulc be the cost effective option.
Another bad thing about your ram, /flips on warp scrambler/ Good luck operating it with one of these on it.
Finally if any ship is being boarder and it doesnt look good the capsuleer will turn tank modules off. Ships without tank die instantly on the field usually.
Also no artifcalating, players make reasons to have fights, CCP cannot and will not and never will force you to fight the spawn rare item thing is just simply cannot exist in new eden ever. Also value of said item is up to the player, its impossible to make an item 'worth' trillions if all its going to do is get your ship blown to bits.
Finally a dust controlled ship is never as effective as a eve pilots.
Eve Capsuleers when they jack into a ship the ship becomes them. Every bit of damage every bit of function translate to an equatable bodily function. The ships sensors becomes the pilots eyes, weapons activating on his rage.
Dust Pod Pilots dont get this feedback, they're slower to respond to stimulus and they are only feed the stimulus the holostatic pods feed them. So even if you do manage to take the ship how are you going to bring up the same algrorthyms and mimic the thought process for the hardeners which where finely mentally attuned to the pilots unique feel for the ship? How are you going to fight against the ships memorized settings for that pilot? Operating a shield booster on a previoulsy owned capsuleer ship could require erratically different coding from the other ship all becuase one pilots feel euphoric when activating the shield booster while other one gets unscratchable static itchy feeling. |
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Posted - 2012.08.29 05:37:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Show me where the lore states that all ships have built in internal security systems.
If I'm not mistaken a battleship can be use to mine (i wouldn't but it's possible)
While it can be used to mine its a waste of a hull with the new mining changes in that gives some barges more hp than some battleships and of course better yeild.
Unfourtuantely its in published material, EON magazines. Capsuleer ships have some extremly nasty defenses becuase they can be more automated than regular crewed ships which is more reliant on crew to repell intruders and even worse is the outership defenses, trying to dock with an active eve ship that doesnt want you to dock can be rather dangerous.
Only once in the lore had a capsuleer ship had ever been boarded without inbound incident all because slaves aboard the ships released a poision that forced evactuation of the entire crew and pod captain. The slaver hounds left on the ship ate well that night however and they wherent even part of the original defense plans. |
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