Shooting a scout in the back just to have him run off with 1 Health then appear behind me and kill me faster than I could damage him isn't about leading shots, as soon as he starts moving, even in a straight line, he starts going neo all on my bullets.

Everyone is very vague with the term hitdetection. It is turning into the goto excuse when you do not kill someone.

That said the Scouts are taking way more damage now and the frame rate problems that helped them are no longer a problem.

The Scout suits have fewer HP and should be harder to hit. They have smaller hit boxes, and that is proper, not broken. They are demolished by anything at range that can aim.

It is the Assault fools running up and helping the Scout close range that makes the Scout look good.

You're right, its not a hit detection issue because the scouts can outrun the bullets. what?

No, they CAN'T. You're aiming AT them when you need to be aiming IN FRONT of them (in the sense of movement direction, not aim direction). So it's pretty much a learn to aim issue.

The bullets COULD do with travelling faster (they're already faster than a Scout suit though, so not sure WTF you think you're trying to babble about there), and there ARE still occasional hit detection issues where shots trigger a target's shield animation, but continue through the target and deal no damage. That's NOT the issue you're describing though, and as a frequent Scout player myself, I have no problems killing Scouts whether I'm one or not, unless they legitimately outplayed me or forced me to fight how THEY want instead of letting me control the fight.

Engage your enemy at a range that gives YOU the advantage, instead of the target. If you can't do that, you deserve to die.

You make no sense, do you know what hit detection is? In game development, the server runs the real simulation and feeds the clients information about the scenario state.

Due to lag, the client is always behind, it displays what makes sense to him but on the server side, the enemy might just be in a different spot. When the lag is low enough, the client can afford to "smooth" the other player's movements, but that's just a rough guess.

In worse scenarios, movement is jumpy, the client just can't cope with what the server is feeding back.

The enemy's hit box is the location where the server has the enemy, you don't see the hit box, you see what your client tells you.

Saying "you have to shoot ahead" only applies to VERY SLOW projectiles, regular projectiles don't even have a "flying speed', they're "instant hit", which is a lot easier for the server as it doesn't have to keep the state of a moving projectile.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Saying "you have to shoot ahead" only applies to VERY SLOW projectiles, regular projectiles don't even have a "flying speed', they're "instant hit", which is a lot easier for the server as it doesn't have to keep the state of a moving projectile.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Except that YOU clearly don't know what you're talking about, because "instant hit" means "hitscan" and this game DOESN'T use hitscan for most of its weapons, which is WHY so many people who can't lead their shots think there are hit detection issues that aren't really there.

Bullets from ARs, SMGs, etc. are NOT hitscan in this game (at least in the current build), and they DO have travel time, and you DO have to lead your shots to account for that fact.

People still aren't leading their shots.

Scout suits are still running around taking down anyone stupid enough to aim at where they ARE instead of where they WILL BE.

I've seen a few moments where hit detection looks problematic, but the problem with Scouts was NEVER about hit detection, it was about projectile speed.

Except that YOU clearly don't know what you're talking about, because "instant hit" means "hitscan" and this game DOESN'T use hitscan for most of its weapons, which is WHY so many people who can't lead their shots think there are hit detection issues that aren't really there.

Bullets from ARs, SMGs, etc. are NOT hitscan in this game (at least in the current build), and they DO have travel time, and you DO have to lead your shots to account for that fact.

Do you have a source to back that up?

Doing that would be heavy on the server and they have to optimize every bit to even be able to include a 4v4 map.

Making games is not an easy task, buddy.

No hitscan at all? yea right.

Do you have a source to back that up?

Doing that would be heavy on the server and they have to optimize every bit to even be able to include a 4v4 map.

Making games is not an easy task, buddy.

No hitscan at all? yea right.

girls calm down, you're both pretty....


there is definately an issue with hit detection if i'm shooting at a stationary target and have to use an entire mag (using bursts of fire of course) and only getting a few hits with each burst at very close range...

Do you have a source to back that up?

Doing that would be heavy on the server and they have to optimize every bit to even be able to include a 4v4 map.

Making games is not an easy task, buddy.

No hitscan at all? yea right.

People still aren't leading their shots.

Scout suits are still running around taking down anyone stupid enough to aim at where they ARE instead of where they WILL BE.

I've seen a few moments where hit detection looks problematic, but the problem with Scouts was NEVER about hit detection, it was about projectile speed.

there is definately an issue with hit detection if i'm shooting at a stationary target and have to use an entire mag (using bursts of fire of course) and only getting a few hits with each burst at very close range...

LOL thats some REAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLYYY slow projectiles then considering even at close range and mid range u gotta lead
hit detection is still ass PERIOD.
if CCP wants this to be considered a AAA game they need to get th core stuff PINPOINT

Actually, I was in a few matches with you yesterday and the the hit detection on you specifically was fabulous. In the past, you had some of the worst.

Are my grenades going to go off? Are my bullets going to hit? Are my suits going to be invalid?

Dust is like a box of chocolates lately.

People still aren't leading their shots.

Scout suits are still running around taking down anyone stupid enough to aim at where they ARE instead of where they WILL BE.

I've seen a few moments where hit detection looks problematic, but the problem with Scouts was NEVER about hit detection, it was about projectile speed.

uh, the fact that people need to lead shots is WHY the hit detection looks so bad.

Lag causes firing delays. In one match, I managed to fire a shotgun, turn 90-Ü while strafing, and see my shotgun fire from where I had been almost a full second earlier.

if the final release of this game is going to be dependent on leading all shots as if these futuristic rounds are somehow traveling at way subsonic speeds, this is going to be a bad game. plain and simple.
you might cry "harden the **** up!" "this is a real shooter!", ect, but it will be a bad game with a very small and intensely rabid fanbase refusing to listen to reason. kind of like the old republic
i really hope that does not happen

People still aren't leading their shots.

Scout suits are still running around taking down anyone stupid enough to aim at where they ARE instead of where they WILL BE.

I've seen a few moments where hit detection looks problematic, but the problem with Scouts was NEVER about hit detection, it was about projectile speed.

if the final release of this game is going to be dependent on leading all shots as if these futuristic rounds are somehow traveling at way subsonic speeds, this is going to be a bad game. plain and simple.
you might cry "harden the **** up!" "this is a real shooter!", ect, but it will be a bad game with a very small and intensely rabid fanbase refusing to listen to reason. kind of like the old republic
i really hope that does not happen

I agree that there's a problem, I'm ONLY pointing out that the problem isn't ONLY with hit detection - and in particular pointing out that hit detection ISN'T any worse on Scouts than any other suit.

except that it is, simply because of their higher movement speed

this "strafe back and forth to mess up aiming" thing is very common in shooters, it's great way to quantize the exact limitations of the hit detection in that particular game. it's super amplified by scouts because of their speed, you can basically smear your hitbox all over the place to the enemy player,so they don't know where to shoot

in a very well constructed game like CS 1.6, the effect is almost impossible to perceive, so most players don't bother to strafe like that

in a poorly constructed game like..well...dust514, it's extremely apparent.

the solution is client side hit detection
i'm not worried about hackers, it's incredibly difficult to get onto PSN with a jailbroken ps3, and you have to be constantly vigilant to keep it from being banned. you might see one obvious aimbot once every few hundred matches, but he'll be reported and banned instantly so who cares?

You're right, its not a hit detection issue because the scouts can outrun the bullets. what?