There is no good reason for anyone to play as a drop pilot or logi.
as sp is given according to kills, or am i wrong i dont play as them as its to hard to get sp.
i tried but got nowhere anyone else have this problem and what did you do.

SP is based on war points as far as I can tell. I've had games where I have gone 3/10ish and gotten 150k SP. If you're getting war points, you're getting SP too, regardless of kills.

There is no good reason for anyone to play as a drop pilot or logi.
as sp is given according to kills, or am i wrong i dont play as them as its to hard to get sp.
i tried but got nowhere anyone else have this problem and what did you do.

Do you want SP for supporting the people winning the game for you? And you want it to be equal with the guys doing the winning? Stuff that, get good. Otherwise what incentive is there to become better?

And runoftemiljay wtf are you doin Playing an FPS in a "strictly noncombatant role" F.O to FarmVille. You think anyone gets good without practise? Jeez

Do you want SP for supporting the people winning the game for you? And you want it to be equal with the guys doing the winning? Stuff that, get good. Otherwise what incentive is there to become better?

And runoftemiljay wtf are you doin Playing an FPS in a "strictly noncombatant role" F.O to FarmVille. You think anyone gets good without practise? Jeez

well i do play as logi

i cannot try to compete with the high class people so i do what i can best: Hide behind others and heal them.

Fine. Go win without killing. Get over the fact there will be other players much better than you. There are players much better than me. I'm still taking assault an will help out however needed. Best thing about Protoassault? 2equipment slots.
Seriously, stop being butt hurt, and practise. You will get better. There is a reason logistics have pretty similar health an speed to assault guys... you can keep pace, and get involved with fights. Not because you can hide like a bunch of nonces. Logistics is a combat role, with more shields and health than a scout.
Off base much?

Fine. Go win without killing. Get over the fact there will be other players much better than you. There are players much better than me. I'm still taking assault an will help out however needed. Best thing about Protoassault? 2equipment slots.
Seriously, stop being butt hurt, and practise. You will get better. There is a reason logistics have pretty similar health an speed to assault guys... you can keep pace, and get involved with fights. Not because you can hide like a bunch of nonces. Logistics is a combat role, with more shields and health than a scout.
Off base much?

Fine. Go win without killing. Get over the fact there will be other players much better than you. There are players much better than me. I'm still taking assault an will help out however needed. Best thing about Protoassault? 2equipment slots.
Seriously, stop being butt hurt, and practise. You will get better. There is a reason logistics have pretty similar health an speed to assault guys... you can keep pace, and get involved with fights. Not because you can hide like a bunch of nonces. Logistics is a combat role, with more shields and health than a scout.
Off base much?

The logi isn't meant for combat. It's slower and it has less armor and shields

Being a logistics guy is a thankless horrible job where you die a lot and there are no successes only failures.

The best way I can explain it is who will win. And it seems like a dumb example but.
12 Proto logistics all with 4 pieces of equipment.
12 Proto assault all with 2 pieces of equipment.
You simply don't need the amount of support a Hightier logistic character can provide unless your rolling with a heavy team (9heavies & 3 Logi)

Pick your battles my dude.....one of the first things the logi guy said was that he realized he wasnt the best with a gun and that he prefers to be in a support role. There was no complaining there.

You are the one who does not see how things mesh together here. This isnt like other shooters where it doesnt matter what "class" you are, everything is 100% combat oriented. While anyone CAN do that, the game mechanics here support the existence of a support role, even if there isnt any combat use for them. This game isnt purely FPS.

Pick your battles my dude.....one of the first things the logi guy said was that he realized he wasnt the best with a gun and that he prefers to be in a support role. There was no complaining there.

You are the one who does not see how things mesh together here. This isnt like other shooters where it doesnt matter what "class" you are, everything is 100% combat oriented. While anyone CAN do that, the game mechanics here support the existence of a support role, even if there isnt any combat use for them. This game isnt purely FPS.

Being a logistics guy is a thankless horrible job where you die a lot and there are no successes only failures.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Elitesaint (Screwed up my quoting >.<)

It doesn't, and saying screw my team, I'm going for more KD isn't as easy and mindless as you think. People don't actually think this. They are instead just a BETTER player. The top KD players aren't going for KD. They are PTFO and are good at it. Also, the spawn camping idiots aren't nearly as dumb as the retards spawning at the spawn when there are objectives on the map that are taken. FURTHERMORE these spawn campers would be absolutely brain dead if they went around to objectives when they hold them all. When the game releases, people won't be kind in clan matches and such, the objective WILL be to spawn camp the other team when possible and not let them escape to potentially cap an objective an turn it around. After all, it is the teams fault for letting the other team spawn camp them (not hard to escape from TBH).

Just to reiterate, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, goes in to the game with the mentality that they are going for a high KDR. If you do, you are being falsely led by all the other butthurt people.

Do you want SP for supporting the people winning the game for you? And you want it to be equal with the guys doing the winning? Stuff that, get good. Otherwise what incentive is there to become better?

And runoftemiljay wtf are you doin Playing an FPS in a "strictly noncombatant role" F.O to FarmVille. You think anyone gets good without practise? Jeez

Agreed. I remember redlining the enemy after 3 minutes. Chucked down a hive, shot a few people with my rifle. Went 6/2 , but got loads of SP because I dropped 2 hives at the redline. Everyone else (8 or so people, used my nano's for about 15 minutes. Had 4 Forgeguns just spamming shots and a couole of snipers.

I DON'T think the Logi suit is bad. It is simply there for teams consisting of heavies and not assaults. Like I have said, assault guys can support themselves. If some guys on teamspeak or something can get together, try 2*forgegun 1*HMG 1*Creodon logistic. The spray, splash and direct damage should see off almost any group.
The logistic suit is special, like the command and pilot suits. It's still an effective combat suit, and I've lost a few 1v1's against Logi players.
The whole point is "I can't shoot so I won't shoot." is an unacceptable attitude. Logistics is wasted unless you can roll with heavies.

My point isn't stupid. The OP is unhappy at the SP for logistics. 1 bullet can give you can assist, and distract the enemy.

Personally I find the logistics role fine. If correctly fitted it becomes deadlier than the assault class. People that complain about only being able to carry 1 weapon should seriously invest in reload speed and range skills.

Hey guys! Let's all get into arguments on the internet!

Noc has it right.
Gar, you can't provide all the logistics for 3 heavies as Assaut. The first 3 corp builds will probably be mech, assault, and heavy/Logi.
I look forward to finding out which hybrid of these will prove strongest.

SP is based on war points as far as I can tell. I've had games where I have gone 3/10ish and gotten 150k SP. If you're getting war points, you're getting SP too, regardless of kills.

No I have to choose which is more important since the proto assault has only 2 equipment slots. Usually, it's nanohive and repair tool since those are the ones most often needed. I have another suit with an uplink and a repair. The syringe is a waste with this build. Even with limited tools, the sp gain is pretty good so that's not an issue.

I'm just going to say this even though I'm going to catch hell for it. Having a dedicated logi in full tank/support is like playing with a man down. The group's damage potential is lowered and you often have to babysit the logi to keep him safe. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but that has been my experience so far. When I logi in Assault, I can take care of myself and the group and still be in the top 3 for KDR easily. Dedicated logi is a handicap with this build and it pains me to say so. I hope the new build changes things so I don't feel guilty for playing it.

Fine. Go win without killing. Get over the fact there will be other players much better than you. There are players much better than me. I'm still taking assault an will help out however needed. Best thing about Protoassault? 2equipment slots.
Seriously, stop being butt hurt, and practise. You will get better. There is a reason logistics have pretty similar health an speed to assault guys... you can keep pace, and get involved with fights. Not because you can hide like a bunch of nonces. Logistics is a combat role, with more shields and health than a scout.
Off base much?

Logi is the best at secondary dps, I simply think you haven't really tried the logi enough to know what it is capable of. They cannot push solo, but instead of a man down, it is more like getting an extra man, but only when there is working as a group, which is currently very hard to organize with random deploy.

this may sound dumb... but what is war points...

Dragoon, you can't post a thread saying you don't use Logi because you don't get enough SP, then when I tell you it's because you aren't killing, Lurch and yourself get all "you don't get it Tony" :)
Get kills, drop uplinks, repair and get hives on the ground. Better yet roll assault and do the same. You'll have more hp, and move faster. Really... I can't wait for the fools who think Logi is noncombatant. Here's some news.
A logistics player IS a combat role. That's WHY you can't get the SP. Because you are DOING IT WRONG. Really, why te hell do I say this? Because you can fit more damage mods on a Logi build than any other class. Omg Logi killers? Surely not? (maybe scout has 4 slots too, don't know.)
Oh yeah, you can take a gun with Logi's too. I mean come on, you can earn an infinate number of points off a nanohive. But Ofcourse I know nothing. Like if 1 person get 2 and a half clips off your hive it's 50 war points, same as a kill. 4 people actually use your uplink = more than a kill.
Stop QQ at me for giving you serious advice just because you're bad. You'll get good with practise.

@Dragoon 514
How much SP difference did you find between your normal gear and Logi? I find I get about 75% of the SP I would if I were Assaut. I think that's fair because I'm in militia Logi instead of Proto Assault.

*awaits more trolling from bad players*

Fine. Go win without killing. Get over the fact there will be other players much better than you. There are players much better than me. I'm still taking assault an will help out however needed. Best thing about Protoassault? 2equipment slots.
Seriously, stop being butt hurt, and practise. You will get better. There is a reason logistics have pretty similar health an speed to assault guys... you can keep pace, and get involved with fights. Not because you can hide like a bunch of nonces. Logistics is a combat role, with more shields and health than a scout.
Off base much?

Obviously, you have no military experience.
But let me guess, your going to say you do and talk about all the people killed right?
No, no wait. Your going to say that I have NO idea what Im talking about and that I need to skill more, right?
Hold on, I think I got a phone call. It's from the rest of your team, asking where the hell you are because your head is so far up your ass, that they can't hear you on the coms.

You have no tact. You kill well, but that's it. You act like your the best thing ever. Yeah, there are people better than you. So what. You still treat everyone like dirt and then say "Yeah, I'm awesome". Get off your high horse and learn to be better person. No wonder all you can do is kill. You have no soul to fight the Good fight, while your teammates burn around you.

Ok 1 more time and real simple
There is no good reason for anyone to play as a drop pilot or logi. (From what i can see)
as sp is given according to kills, or am i wrong ?????????????? (as it ends up there is other ways thats why i asked)
I dont play as them as its to hard to get sp.(in my short experence with it)
i tried but got nowhere
anyone else have this problem and what did you do????????.

It was a question to logi and drop players.
thats the thread.
the rest was you making its look like everyone sucks but you.
Not alot of help.
you all so assume that logi and drop don't shoot at targets that's not the case, they just spend so much on other skills there not as good at it. all nothing to do with gamer skill.
and as the question was posed to get helpful info for Drop and logi, not free sp but better ways to get it in there role.
You should be feeling a little dumb right now.
You didn't just miss the point your not even in the same system as it your guns a toaster and your using pop tarts as ammo.

"There is no good reason to play a a drop pilot or logi."
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. What you MEAN is that you (and by you, I mean specifically Nexus Dragoon 514) don't benefit from being a Logi. If we look at the game from a more broad view, like the view a Corp will have, Logi's help the team as a whole win, so maybe it doesn't pertain to you, since you apparently don't care about the team (at least that's what your comments make me believe, sorry otherwise) but the Logi's are a greater good towards the advancement of the battle.

You still don't get that there is nothing to stop a Logi killing like an assault. Sorry if I missed your point, but I don't see any problem with getting SP as Logi.

This is utterly and completely flawed logic. If all the best rewards of SP are gained through shooting and killing, then why have any other roles at all? Your statement of "and you want it to be equal with the guys doing the winning...." is so off base it's not even funny.

The entire team wins as a team. People doing you the favor of flying you into position, or healing, or restocking ammo, or any other number of roles are just as vital to 'winning' the map as stocking up your K/D ratio. If I had my way, K/D would be utterly meaningless as far as SP goes so attitudes like the one you expressed would be non-existant.

Do you want SP for supporting the people winning the game for you? And you want it to be equal with the guys doing the winning? Stuff that, get good. Otherwise what incentive is there to become better?

And runoftemiljay wtf are you doin Playing an FPS in a "strictly noncombatant role" F.O to FarmVille. You think anyone gets good without practise? Jeez

You still don't get that there is nothing to stop a Logi killing like an assault. Sorry if I missed your point, but I don't see any problem with getting SP as Logi.

It takes more than a quick-right thumb to win. Congrats to someone who understands their limitations and adapts and works around it until they can get a quicker-right thumb.

Lots of focus on the logi. Wish I could put some input in there, but I do agree with some of the aforementioned points in that the logi is intended to primarily be a light-combat and supporting role and is in no means meant to be a front-line soldier. It's lack of utility is the killer, considering that its most effective equipment can easily be used by assaults as well, once again reiterating the point that it's redundant unless there's heavies on the team. However, I would like to point out the fact that currently there is far too much emphasis, at least in the skirmish mode, on killing and KDR. Any and all support roles, especially primary support roles, need more effective means of providing SP.

To further elaborate on this, I'll bring up the drop ships that everyone seems to be ignoring in this thread. As a relatively dedicated drop ship pilot, I find it next to impossible to gain any significant amount of SP unless I resort to stupid, asinine tactics like the infamous "drop ship crush". Without any boosters active (including the daily boost), on a game where I don't die, I only gain as much as 40000 SP. These matches tend to include several "assists" from my turrets (I've gone matches where my gunners have collectively accrued 60-70+ kills). If I were to start crushing people, I can see that SP gain double. There are no points awarded for players spawning in my ship, for example. The point is there's little-to-no SP gain for doing something supportive versus combative. When maps are larger and require transport to get around, there's going to be little incentive for dedicated dropship pilots simply because there's almost no gain for flying a drop ship.

For an example in contrast - I also drive tanks. On any given match, without any boosts active, I can average 150000 SP a match, more if I go with top-tier gear and don't come up against a team of forges/swarms. If I put a CRU in my tank, I can spawn at least two people at any given time, essentially providing a lesser form of the dropships' capabilities. In other words, if I play highly offensive versus highly supportive, I'll make triple the SP and then some, while still providing a half-***ed version of the drop ship. Also add in that much of the support related skills costing significantly more than the combat skills, both for equipment and passive abilities. Either supporting roles need a boost, or supporting skills need to cost less.

Ok 1 more time and real simple
There is no good reason for anyone to play as a drop pilot or logi. (From what i can see)
as sp is given according to kills, or am i wrong ?????????????? (as it ends up there is other ways thats why i asked)
I dont play as them as its to hard to get sp.(in my short experence with it)
i tried but got nowhere
anyone else have this problem and what did you do????????.

So you want to know how to get SP without killing? First, as far as I can tell, SP are not given according to kills. They directly relate to the number of war points you get per match (seems like 100 war points equal about 1000 SP for the first match of a day). Every kill is +50 war points, but that's not the only way to get points, here's what you can do as a logi:

• resupply with nano hives: +10 for each resupply
• heal with the repair tool: +15 for each heal (one heal is a fixed number of HP, repping up a heavy can get you up to 4 heals I think)
• drop uplinks: +15 for every spawn on them
• repair vehicles/installations: +25 for each repair (same principle as for healing applies; also, try this: as an attacker, grab the repair tool with increased effectiveness on installations, and start repping your missile tower at the start of a game while the enemy keeps spamming missiles at it. You can rack up several 100 points by doing this the first minutes of a match)
• revive your team mates (don't know the amount of points, never managed to revive someone)
• kill assists (obviously): +25 each
• hacking/hack assists (also obvious): everything between +12 and +100
• driver assists: +25 for every kill someone scores who is in the same vehicle as you (doesn't matter if you're driver, gunner or just a passenger)

And yes, currently playing logi without actively killing people will not net you that many SP, simply because people are not aware of support players and their abilites. Everyone suicides immediately, 9 out of 10 heavies are running away from you, trying to escape your repair tool so they can die do a tower camper spamming missiles at an objective while they try to hack it with 5% armor left, and the list goes on.
As for the drop ship pilots, I guess it sucks to be one unless you're squishing people nonstop or you have a pair of dedicated gunners doing their job well. But nobody should expect to rack up points quickly just by shuttling people back and forth the whole match, that's something you can do as a side job, in addition to your full time job as a killing machine. Well, at least as long as pilot suits are not in the game yet...