Agreed. I remember redlining the enemy after 3 minutes. Chucked down a hive, shot a few people with my rifle. Went 6/2 , but got loads of SP because I dropped 2 hives at the redline. Everyone else (8 or so people, used my nano's for about 15 minutes. Had 4 Forgeguns just spamming shots and a couole of snipers.

I DON'T think the Logi suit is bad. It is simply there for teams consisting of heavies and not assaults. Like I have said, assault guys can support themselves. If some guys on teamspeak or something can get together, try 2*forgegun 1*HMG 1*Creodon logistic. The spray, splash and direct damage should see off almost any group.
The logistic suit is special, like the command and pilot suits. It's still an effective combat suit, and I've lost a few 1v1's against Logi players.
The whole point is "I can't shoot so I won't shoot." is an unacceptable attitude. Logistics is wasted unless you can roll with heavies.

My point isn't stupid. The OP is unhappy at the SP for logistics. 1 bullet can give you can assist, and distract the enemy.

Personally I find the logistics role fine. If correctly fitted it becomes deadlier than the assault class. People that complain about only being able to carry 1 weapon should seriously invest in reload speed and range skills.

Hey guys! Let's all get into arguments on the internet!

Noc has it right.
Gar, you can't provide all the logistics for 3 heavies as Assaut. The first 3 corp builds will probably be mech, assault, and heavy/Logi.
I look forward to finding out which hybrid of these will prove strongest.

SP is based on war points as far as I can tell. I've had games where I have gone 3/10ish and gotten 150k SP. If you're getting war points, you're getting SP too, regardless of kills.

No I have to choose which is more important since the proto assault has only 2 equipment slots. Usually, it's nanohive and repair tool since those are the ones most often needed. I have another suit with an uplink and a repair. The syringe is a waste with this build. Even with limited tools, the sp gain is pretty good so that's not an issue.

I'm just going to say this even though I'm going to catch hell for it. Having a dedicated logi in full tank/support is like playing with a man down. The group's damage potential is lowered and you often have to babysit the logi to keep him safe. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but that has been my experience so far. When I logi in Assault, I can take care of myself and the group and still be in the top 3 for KDR easily. Dedicated logi is a handicap with this build and it pains me to say so. I hope the new build changes things so I don't feel guilty for playing it.

Fine. Go win without killing. Get over the fact there will be other players much better than you. There are players much better than me. I'm still taking assault an will help out however needed. Best thing about Protoassault? 2equipment slots.
Seriously, stop being butt hurt, and practise. You will get better. There is a reason logistics have pretty similar health an speed to assault guys... you can keep pace, and get involved with fights. Not because you can hide like a bunch of nonces. Logistics is a combat role, with more shields and health than a scout.
Off base much?

Logi is the best at secondary dps, I simply think you haven't really tried the logi enough to know what it is capable of. They cannot push solo, but instead of a man down, it is more like getting an extra man, but only when there is working as a group, which is currently very hard to organize with random deploy.

this may sound dumb... but what is war points...

Dragoon, you can't post a thread saying you don't use Logi because you don't get enough SP, then when I tell you it's because you aren't killing, Lurch and yourself get all "you don't get it Tony" :)
Get kills, drop uplinks, repair and get hives on the ground. Better yet roll assault and do the same. You'll have more hp, and move faster. Really... I can't wait for the fools who think Logi is noncombatant. Here's some news.
A logistics player IS a combat role. That's WHY you can't get the SP. Because you are DOING IT WRONG. Really, why te hell do I say this? Because you can fit more damage mods on a Logi build than any other class. Omg Logi killers? Surely not? (maybe scout has 4 slots too, don't know.)
Oh yeah, you can take a gun with Logi's too. I mean come on, you can earn an infinate number of points off a nanohive. But Ofcourse I know nothing. Like if 1 person get 2 and a half clips off your hive it's 50 war points, same as a kill. 4 people actually use your uplink = more than a kill.
Stop QQ at me for giving you serious advice just because you're bad. You'll get good with practise.

@Dragoon 514
How much SP difference did you find between your normal gear and Logi? I find I get about 75% of the SP I would if I were Assaut. I think that's fair because I'm in militia Logi instead of Proto Assault.

*awaits more trolling from bad players*

Fine. Go win without killing. Get over the fact there will be other players much better than you. There are players much better than me. I'm still taking assault an will help out however needed. Best thing about Protoassault? 2equipment slots.
Seriously, stop being butt hurt, and practise. You will get better. There is a reason logistics have pretty similar health an speed to assault guys... you can keep pace, and get involved with fights. Not because you can hide like a bunch of nonces. Logistics is a combat role, with more shields and health than a scout.
Off base much?

Obviously, you have no military experience.
But let me guess, your going to say you do and talk about all the people killed right?
No, no wait. Your going to say that I have NO idea what Im talking about and that I need to skill more, right?
Hold on, I think I got a phone call. It's from the rest of your team, asking where the hell you are because your head is so far up your ass, that they can't hear you on the coms.

You have no tact. You kill well, but that's it. You act like your the best thing ever. Yeah, there are people better than you. So what. You still treat everyone like dirt and then say "Yeah, I'm awesome". Get off your high horse and learn to be better person. No wonder all you can do is kill. You have no soul to fight the Good fight, while your teammates burn around you.

Ok 1 more time and real simple
There is no good reason for anyone to play as a drop pilot or logi. (From what i can see)
as sp is given according to kills, or am i wrong ?????????????? (as it ends up there is other ways thats why i asked)
I dont play as them as its to hard to get sp.(in my short experence with it)
i tried but got nowhere
anyone else have this problem and what did you do????????.

It was a question to logi and drop players.
thats the thread.
the rest was you making its look like everyone sucks but you.
Not alot of help.
you all so assume that logi and drop don't shoot at targets that's not the case, they just spend so much on other skills there not as good at it. all nothing to do with gamer skill.
and as the question was posed to get helpful info for Drop and logi, not free sp but better ways to get it in there role.
You should be feeling a little dumb right now.
You didn't just miss the point your not even in the same system as it your guns a toaster and your using pop tarts as ammo.

"There is no good reason to play a a drop pilot or logi."
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. What you MEAN is that you (and by you, I mean specifically Nexus Dragoon 514) don't benefit from being a Logi. If we look at the game from a more broad view, like the view a Corp will have, Logi's help the team as a whole win, so maybe it doesn't pertain to you, since you apparently don't care about the team (at least that's what your comments make me believe, sorry otherwise) but the Logi's are a greater good towards the advancement of the battle.

You still don't get that there is nothing to stop a Logi killing like an assault. Sorry if I missed your point, but I don't see any problem with getting SP as Logi.

This is utterly and completely flawed logic. If all the best rewards of SP are gained through shooting and killing, then why have any other roles at all? Your statement of "and you want it to be equal with the guys doing the winning...." is so off base it's not even funny.

The entire team wins as a team. People doing you the favor of flying you into position, or healing, or restocking ammo, or any other number of roles are just as vital to 'winning' the map as stocking up your K/D ratio. If I had my way, K/D would be utterly meaningless as far as SP goes so attitudes like the one you expressed would be non-existant.

Do you want SP for supporting the people winning the game for you? And you want it to be equal with the guys doing the winning? Stuff that, get good. Otherwise what incentive is there to become better?

And runoftemiljay wtf are you doin Playing an FPS in a "strictly noncombatant role" F.O to FarmVille. You think anyone gets good without practise? Jeez

You still don't get that there is nothing to stop a Logi killing like an assault. Sorry if I missed your point, but I don't see any problem with getting SP as Logi.

It takes more than a quick-right thumb to win. Congrats to someone who understands their limitations and adapts and works around it until they can get a quicker-right thumb.

Lots of focus on the logi. Wish I could put some input in there, but I do agree with some of the aforementioned points in that the logi is intended to primarily be a light-combat and supporting role and is in no means meant to be a front-line soldier. It's lack of utility is the killer, considering that its most effective equipment can easily be used by assaults as well, once again reiterating the point that it's redundant unless there's heavies on the team. However, I would like to point out the fact that currently there is far too much emphasis, at least in the skirmish mode, on killing and KDR. Any and all support roles, especially primary support roles, need more effective means of providing SP.

To further elaborate on this, I'll bring up the drop ships that everyone seems to be ignoring in this thread. As a relatively dedicated drop ship pilot, I find it next to impossible to gain any significant amount of SP unless I resort to stupid, asinine tactics like the infamous "drop ship crush". Without any boosters active (including the daily boost), on a game where I don't die, I only gain as much as 40000 SP. These matches tend to include several "assists" from my turrets (I've gone matches where my gunners have collectively accrued 60-70+ kills). If I were to start crushing people, I can see that SP gain double. There are no points awarded for players spawning in my ship, for example. The point is there's little-to-no SP gain for doing something supportive versus combative. When maps are larger and require transport to get around, there's going to be little incentive for dedicated dropship pilots simply because there's almost no gain for flying a drop ship.

For an example in contrast - I also drive tanks. On any given match, without any boosts active, I can average 150000 SP a match, more if I go with top-tier gear and don't come up against a team of forges/swarms. If I put a CRU in my tank, I can spawn at least two people at any given time, essentially providing a lesser form of the dropships' capabilities. In other words, if I play highly offensive versus highly supportive, I'll make triple the SP and then some, while still providing a half-***ed version of the drop ship. Also add in that much of the support related skills costing significantly more than the combat skills, both for equipment and passive abilities. Either supporting roles need a boost, or supporting skills need to cost less.