Its faster than BF3 and equal to MAG in terms of speed for me

Regis, you're confusing the issue when you say 'slow movements' - what exactly do you think should be done to run/walk speed What do you think should be done specifically to strafe speed? And just so we cover all the movement bases, what about bunny hopping?

Fastest Redline record agaisnt defenders 1.5 minutes. Fastest record of redlining offensive 1 minute.

Well let me try to express the basic premise behind "slow movement = tactical".

If I'm trying to communicate with my team, the moment speed needs to be slow enough that the information given will correlate with the actual in-game situation long enough to be relevant to the people communicating. If movement speeds get too fast, you end up in a situation where by the time the information gets communicated, it's already wrong. If the enemy can run from A to B faster than a person can say "they are headed from A to B" then the game becomes a Halo style arena shooter. If I can't say "there's a tank headed out of their back spawn location on it's way to C" before a tank can make that trek, then what's the point in relating the info in the first place?

The people, such as myself, who WANT a slower pace are hoping for a series of set pieces where there is enough time to report positions and react to them in unison, rather than a game where DOING is quicker than SAYING. We want a pace where moving from position to position has consequence in terms of committed resources. As it stands currently, if the enemy team hacks all three consoles at once, I can already run from A, to B, to C and stop ALL THREE virus uploads before they finish. There's no tactical element there because the speed of movement vs. The size of the engagement area are mismatched for tactical play.

Redlining in this game is not hard at all lol! Especially if the other team is bad. So whats your point?

Well let me try to express the basic premise behind "slow movement = tactical".

If I'm trying to communicate with my team, the moment speed needs to be slow enough that the information given will correlate with the actual in-game situation long enough to be relevant to the people communicating. If movement speeds get too fast, you end up in a situation where by the time the information gets communicated, it's already wrong. If the enemy can run from A to B faster than a person can say "they are headed from A to B" then the game becomes a Halo style arena shooter. If I can't say "there's a tank headed out of their back spawn location on it's way to C" before a tank can make that trek, then what's the point in relating the info in the first place?

The people, such as myself, who WANT a slower pace are hoping for a series of set pieces where there is enough time to report positions and react to them in unison, rather than a game where DOING is quicker than SAYING. We want a pace where moving from position to position has consequence in terms of committed resources. As it stands currently, if the enemy team hacks all three consoles at once, I can already run from A, to B, to C and stop ALL THREE virus uploads before they finish. There's no tactical element there because the speed of movement vs. The size of the engagement area are mismatched for tactical play.

Making movements tactical can yeild very surprising results quickly. Also I cut 50% of the infomration loop out when possible reduces comm lag, for example I dont scream incomming at bravo, I just fly there and tell gunenrs to blow stuff up and report any other movments along the way.

I would suggest you wait until the maps are five square kilometers. If I estimates are right the plateau map is a little more than 1500 meters maybe at most I would say 2000 meters. I personally think speed is okay but it could get a bit faster and be better. In the end this game will be what CCP wants it to be, I think they may have slowed down the movement in order to.try to nail down the hit detection issues but that is just my rather uneducated guess.

Wanting to slow the movement speed down so that you can communicate better is a joke IMO. If you're on defense the map already does half the work for you because you already know where the enemy is coming from. Once you take the objectives on offense you are now playing defense because you don't want the enemy to take back the objectives like I said you shouldn't need a full paragraph to say the enemy is head to B from north, south, east, or west!

I recently got voice. Some commands I share with my two gunners.

Gunners, Foot mobiles
Gunners, Dropship
Gunners, Forge Gun
Get em.
Missile Launch!
Gunners, Tank
Gunners, LAV
Gunners, Obective (A, B, C)
Gunners, Sniper
Gunners, Drop Link
Gunners, Nanohive
Good Kill
Good Effect
Bail Bail Bail
Evading
Cover Fire
Open Up, Let them have it.
Capture (A,B,C,Structure)
Hostile(s) Location / Number / Type
Gunners, Eyes up
Drop off
Pickup?

My point was actually directed at baal roo. Your response doesn't address anything I said.

I am not for or against an increase in speed. Yes I know that is not really the purpose of this thread.

Tactics can and should be executed at any speed.

BTW tactical communications should take no longer than 3-5 seconds per burst of info.

As a veteran of the U.S. Army and two tours in Iraq I am very well aware of proper combat coms.

Larger maps which is confirmed(sorry my phone doesn't like to post links) will allow for more time to spot, report and engage the enemies regardless of movement speed.

As I said it wouldn't bother me in the least if they increased the speed a little bit I just don't think it should be some huge increase.

Slow movement makes tactics more important. If everyone can run and strafe and bunnyhop like hyperactive jackrabbits, certain tactics become less important and less viable.

You make a reference to real military training. How many times did you learn how to circle-strafe while shooting in basic? That would probably get you killed in real life--that's why people take cover and use tactics to make up their lack of superhuman speed and bullet-soaking capability.

Obviously using speed to your advantage is fine, but the point is that run'n'gun games don't typically emphasize tactics much whereas more realistic games with reasonable movement speed do.

Let me further clarify: I have no problem with scouts moving fast, since they're doing what in EVE would be called "speed-tanking", and their speed is necessary to keep them alive since they don't have much armor or shield. I also have no problem with sprint speed being fairly fast. It lets you get around quickly or have a chance of getting to cover while under fire. What I do have a problem with is circle strafing being a remotely effective technique as it's completely unrealistic and makes me feel like I'm back in the 90s playing Quake 3.

Cover should be necessary to keep you alive, not the ability to strafe faster than someone can aim. Maybe once they add mouse support this won't be an issue as any moderately skilled person will be able to aim faster than all but scouts can strafe.

LOL Okay I'll bite...

When in my post did I say we need circle strafing or that circle strafing is tactical? I never said it. Of course they don't teach us to circle strafe in the army as it would get you killed but that's real this is a "VIDEO GAME" if I wanted a military sim I would play ARMA2 or Operation Flashpoint or any of the other military sims out there. Lack of speed doesn't make a game anymore or any less tactical than a fast paced sh ooter. It's up to the people in the game to come up with and evolve tactics not base tactics off of speed. This "beta" isn't any less tactical than it was in the last build when speeds were faster!

I'll be honest that you sometimes get on my nerves, but you have a point. While quite a few people have issues with fast strafing speeds, it can't really be argued that the difference between the last two builds has really changed anything from a tactical standpoint. It basically just comes down to the feel of the gameplay.

For instance, I happen to enjoy a few matches of Halo every now and then. However, my enjoyment of such is somewhat curtailed by the circle-strafing and bunny-hopping mentioned in some posts of this thread. I mean, the fact that there is a Bumper-Jumper control scheme specifically to allow you to aim while bunny-hopping just grates on my nerves. That's part of why I like how jumping in Dust is tied to your stamina, and that you can't jump without sufficient stamina.

Most shooters out there have different elements that make them unique, and I play quite a few of them and enjoy those elements in each one. Its just that...when it comes to Dust, I think about the kind of tactics that are commonly used in Halo, and when I think about them in connection with this game, I find it hard to take that picture seriously. I think this game has a different tone, and the current state of gameplay fits that tone better. That is, of course, my opinion.

Meh I could care less about your nerves. On a serious note I'm not asking for Halo what I am asking for is fun fluid gameplay. Anything slower than BF3 is just not fun at all and it doesn't make me feel like the reckless super clone they say we are!

I do recall stating that such was my opinion, and not something you should have to agree with.

cool thread

Those that want slow movement speed probably don't know what to do when a player outplays them by strafing. Hold down R1 isn't going to get you a kill against a moving opponent who is firing back at you.

cool thread

Those that want slow movement speed probably don't know what to do when a player outplays them by strafing. Hold down R1 isn't going to get you a kill against a moving opponent who is firing back at you.

cool thread

Those that want slow movement speed probably don't know what to do when a player outplays them by strafing. Hold down R1 isn't going to get you a kill against a moving opponent who is firing back at you.

Honestly, I've had far too much experience with games like Tribes to be deterred by strafing. You should be able to hit your target no matter what they're doing. My only quarrel with circle-strafing is that it just throws off the feeling of immersion in most other games I play.

Yeah, immersion is a big part of it. I want to DUST battles to feel like real futuristic military battles might feel. Circle-strafing and bunny-hopping and all that nonsense kill that feel.

Also I finally get to say this... This game might not be for you because you want realism in a game where clones can pass memories to other clones in a scifi game. Scifi, futuristic and realism don't go very well together because then you might as well take all these fancy toys and drop suits and make a regular modern day shooter.